Anyone ever wrongfully denied on for purchase?

[RobertNashville]

Do you know anything about this subject ?

* other than I deserve Special Consideration ( treatment ) for all the expense I went through?

** few hundred bucks an a few hours in a classroom .

Well gosh golly gee wiz...I didn't know I was in the presence of someone who is an acknowledged authority on this subject (at least in his own mind). Perhaps you could tell us of at least a few of what I'm sure is a long, long list of your accomplishments that demonstrates your knowledge and expertise on the subject?

We have some true experts on this forum; some of them nationally known (who don't need to declare on the internet that they deal with this issue "daily"). Maybe your are one of them (but I doubt it).

Edited April 11, 2012 by RobertNashville

[Guest Skeeter]

Well gosh golly gee wiz...I didn't know I was in the presence of an expert. ROTFLMAO

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No Expert, but I do it for a living and You ?

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[RobertNashville]

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No Expert, but I do it for a living and You ?

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Where exactly do you do it for a living and what is your function there? Do you own a firearms store and are the licensed ffl dealer? Are you a sales clerk? Do you train ffl dealers on the intricacies of firearm transfer laws? I'm fairly open about myself here - you can discern a lot about me from my profile and my posts. However, if you want to know details about me then you need to be at least as forthcoming with details about yourself, otherwise, you can go pound sand.

I do my best to be informed about firearm related laws and honing my skills and in pursuit of same I've spent a hell of a lot more than a "few hundred bucks and a few hours in a classroom". That said, you probably do know more about the process that I do; never said or hinted otherwise. However, even if you are an "expert"; it doesn't give you leave to be abrasive to people just because they are seeking a little information; even doing so by injecting yourself into a post I made that was not directed to you (in fact, it was specifically asking for someone new to offer some experiential insight rather than dealing with minutia of the process).

You started out in this thread with an unhelpful comment to to OP and then another equally unhelpful response to him; later acknowledging that you hadn't even read the OP's posts before responding...I'd like to know that store you own/work out because if that's your typical level of customer service I'd like to avoid buying anything in your store!

Edited April 11, 2012 by RobertNashville

[Guest Skeeter]

Where exactly do you do it for a living and what is your function there? Do you own a firearms store and are the licensed ffl dealer? Are you a sales clerk? Do you train ffl dealers on the intricacies of firearm transfer laws? I'm fairly open about myself here - you can discern a lot about me from my profile and my posts. However, if you want to know details about me then you need to be at least as forthcoming with details about yourself, otherwise, you can go pound sand.

I do my best to be informed about firearm related laws and honing my skills and in pursuit of same I've spent a hell of a lot more than a "few hundred bucks and a few hours in a classroom". That said, you probably do know more about the process that I do; never said or hinted otherwise. However, even if you are an "expert"; it doesn't give you leave to be an a##hole to people just because they are seeking a little information.

You started out in this thread with an unhelpful comment to to OP and then another equally unhelpful response to him; later acknowledging that you hadn't even read the OP's posts before responding...I'd like to know that store you own/work out because if that's your typical level of customer service I'd like to avoid buying anything in your store!

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And Thank You ( for not coming in. ) Smart Phone in Hand I can Get these for $2.28 cheaper @ Bud's if he had any

*I read op and he was only interested in his Specific Transaction.

** kind of Self Centered huh?

*** Are You Related ?

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[RobertNashville]

...*I read op and he was only interested in his Specific Transaction.

** kind of Self Centered huh?

Yeah...real self centered of him; I mean how dare someone experience a problem and then actually start a thread to ask a question that they were looking for an answer to about the problem.

At least the self centered OP's thread served a valuable purpose - it allowed everyone who has read the thread to see what an a horse's a*s you are.

[Guest Skeeter]

Yeah...real self centered of him; I mean how dare someone experience a problem and then actually start a thread to ask a question that they were looking for an answer to about the problem.

At least the self centered OP's thread served a valuable purpose - it allowed everyone who has read the thread to see what an a horse's a*s you are.

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Goat Man Goat !

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Edited April 12, 2012 by Skeeter

[~48_South~]

This gets cleared up pretty quick,from what I have experienced normally same day or a couple of days max from when you send your form back.

[Guest adurbin]

I haven't been able to post lately, but this did get cleared up, and we have the gun. What a pain though.

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[Garufa]

Go buy another one....just to make sure.

[Guest adurbin]

I plan on it soon lol.

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[JayC]

Less than perfect? How about not even constitutional. The TN Legislature is limited to regulating the WEARING of firearms... last time I checked, that did not include purchasing a firearm. So why is it we have to pay a $10 fee on every firearm purchased via a FFL? It's nothing but make work for TDOS, desk jobs which do nothing to protect us and violate our God given rights everyday.

I'm hoping one day we can get a class action lawsuit against the state for all the money they have stolen from us.

Does it really surprise anyone that we have a less than perfect government run system?

We need to do away with background checks altogether or at the very least, we need a MUCH better way to handle the process.

[DaveTN]

I'm hoping one day we can get a class action lawsuit against the state for all the money they have stolen from us.

FFL’s are bound by Federal law. Isn’t it Federal law that requires a background check? The state could get a piece of the action on private sales if they wanted to, but they haven’t…. yet.

[Oh Shoot]

FFL’s are bound by Federal law. Isn’t it Federal law that requires a background check?...

Yes, exactly -- but the state of TN doesn't have to get involved to run NICS. Let alone tax for the intrusion.

- OS

Edited May 6, 2012 by OhShoot

[Patton]

I knew a guy that worked at a pawn shop(because he needed a job) and had all 4 people that tried to buy handguns denied in one day. One of the people had just reined a HCP days before. They never figured out why it happened. He had done dozens of checks before this happened over a couple of months.

[redfsr]

When I lived in TX, I wasn't required to go through a NICS check if I had a valid CHL and current up to date driver's license. Things may have changed since I left in 2005 but that is how it was then and I personally purchased firearms that way from ffls. The only time I had a problem was when I moved and my current address wasn't on my DL. Also, in states that let the FBI do the NICS check, a fee isn't applied to the purchase for the background check. TN does TICS simply as a source of revenue. I haven't read this entire thread so I apologize if I have gone off course.

[JayC]

FFL’s are bound by Federal law. Isn’t it Federal law that requires a background check? The state could get a piece of the action on private sales if they wanted to, but they haven’t…. yet.

Lets set aside the Federal question for a minute... FFL's are regulated by F-Troop I mean the BATFE... Most states use a Federal background check program... that costs the dealers and gun owners nothing.... (Well at least nothing directly)

TN passes this make work law called TICS, to employee a bunch of desk jocky's at TDOS who for the most part take the information and check it against NICS for free, and pocket $10 unconstitutionally. Technically there are other checks they can do, but I've NEVER seen a denial except through NICS.

Where does the TN Constitution give the legislature the power to regulate the purchasing of firearms? It seems the Constitution forbids the legislature to regulate anything except the wearing of firearms. So why do we have TICS? Why do we have a super high ammo tax?

Edited May 8, 2012 by JayC

[Guest RottenCore]

I bought a Taurus from a local gun shop and was denied. Well, I faxed in the appeal form and later on in the day they called me and told me to come and pick it up. They never gave me a reason why.

[Oh Shoot]

I bought a Taurus from a local gun shop and was denied. Well, I faxed in the appeal form and later on in the day they called me and told me to come and pick it up. They never gave me a reason why.

They were giving you time to reconsider the Taurus.

- OS

[RobertNashville]

...Where does the TN Constitution give the legislature the power to regulate the purchasing of firearms? It seems the Constitution forbids the legislature to regulate anything except the wearing of firearms. So why do we have TICS? Why do we have a super high ammo tax?

We have them because the legislature wanted it and doesn't really seem to care that much about what the state constitution says AND the people have never held them accountable for usurping power they weren't supposed to have so why should they change? If the legislature actually followed the constitution with regards to firearms laws here in TN there would be a lot of changes needed (although I don't know that would have any impact on tax on ammo...I think they are in the clear on that issue).

Anyway, considering that we can't get a parking lot bill passed with a GOP controlled legislature and Governor; to the point of them illegally blocking the bills from reaching the floor for debate/vote; I don't see that there is much hope for streamlining the firearms purchase process in TN; especially since it's a revenue generator for the state - anyone proposing a bill to change things might have to prove that doing away with the process would actually save the state money.

Edited May 12, 2012 by RobertNashville

[JayC]

We have them because the legislature wanted it and doesn't really seem to care that much about what the state constitution says AND the people have never held them accountable for usurping power they weren't supposed to have so why should they change? If the legislature actually followed the constitution with regards to firearms laws here in TN there would be a lot of changes needed (although I don't know that would have any impact on tax on ammo...I think they are in the clear on that issue).

Anyway, considering that we can't get a parking lot bill passed with a GOP controlled legislature and Governor; to the point of them illegally blocking the bills from reaching the floor for debate/vote; I don't see that there is much hope for streamlining the firearms purchase process in TN; especially since it's a revenue generator for the state - anyone proposing a bill to change things might have to prove that doing away with the process would actually save the state money.

Maybe I'm just naive, but ball and powder is an arm, and the legislature is limited to only regulating the wearing of arms, taxes are a form of regulation? Having a standard sales tax apply to ammo, might be legal, having a special high tax on an arm (ammo) would seem not to be within the bounds of our state constitution.

[RobertNashville]

Maybe I'm just naive, but ball and powder is an arm, and the legislature is limited to only regulating the wearing of arms, taxes are a form of regulation? Having a standard sales tax apply to ammo, might be legal, having a special high tax on an arm (ammo) would seem not to be within the bounds of our state constitution.

I agree. The problem is that the law will stand until we the people do something to get it changed.

[JayC]

I agree. The problem is that the law will stand until we the people do something to get it changed.

You know an enterprising attorney could make a bundle by filing a class action lawsuit against the state for it's unconstitutional collection of these taxes... Hint hint hint