Zimmeran's brother gives his side of the story

[mikegideon]

Yeah, I’m obviously on the wrong side of this on this forum.

Can't win 'em all

[Oh Shoot]

I'd guess political pressure and because of Sharpton. Enough for me.

Knowing you only as well as I do virtually from TGO, I'd posit you wouldn't have resigned if you'd done everything above board, and I know I wouldn't have.

The police problem thang vs blacks, well, I guess it is what it is. I wonder what the problems

were? To many blacks getting arrested? I don't know about that. Is it related to this?

Dunno, we only have claims, but if a statistical review of complaints and incidents over last decade revealed an atypical pattern, perhaps it relates quite distinctly. Quite telling that a city manager gives lip service to the problems. He is black, but he speaks for the city.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

You're right, I wouldn't and I would have to know more about the details of it before I made an assertion.

I heard that he was pressured into resigning, but that's all. Was there anything more on that story?

The other thing with the black vs police problem, I just don't know why that wouldn't have been dealt with,

if it is real, and the next thing we're going to find out is that it's a problem all over the country and a certain

class is being discriminated against by the police. That explains why there's a disproportionate number of that

class in prison, also.

What does it have to do with the Martin death? I mean there is a similar timing to the story, but what does

it really have to do with the other? Is it a fed angle? Does it change anything with what is known about the

Zimmerman/ Martin situation? I don't know.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm dirt poor on statistical analysis, so bear with me, OS. What kind of statistics are we talking about here? Are the

police treating one class differently from another as far as when they are arrested? Or would atypical mean something

else? Who is committing the crime? How does that factor in? I honestly don't have any idea what else it would mean.

Never really thought about it, though. Who gets the most exposure to the police and why? Criminals/ suspects, I guess.

[Oh Shoot]

I'm dirt poor on statistical analysis, so bear with me, OS. What kind of statistics are we talking about here? ....

Don't really know exactly, might be simple as looking at number of officially lodged complaints and compare to standard deviation, stuff like that. But probably precise databases like that simply don't exist, and how could you verify the accuracy of the reporting in the first place, as crime stats themselves are famously been shown to be skewed.

How could it relate? Well, that the (sort of, closer to) white Zimmerman gets cut slack over the totally black Martin, consistent with the claimed biased official culture there?

Remember, I'm not the one really hinting at a possible "cultural bias" within the police down there; the city manager did, and I found rather astounding really. I mean, he could have said, "we're not above the norm of complaints from our black constituency" or "our PD has the highest standards with treating everyone equally" or any of the normal stuff you'd expect. But he didn't.

What he did say, to find one quote, "The issues that have been brought to my attention regarding the black community and the Sanford police department go back 10 years," he said. "There's a lot of work that needs to be done there."

And "political pressure" to have the chief resign I can only see as tantamount to calling him part of the overall problem. Had he simply stood his ground and said "I and the DA didn't find sufficient evidence to present this to the grand jury", okay. But he didn't.

And yeah, if this gets presented to a grand jury, whatever happens happens. But it's pret damn obvious that would never have happened. Haven't heard much about the head prosecutor down there but surprised he hasn't had to step aside yet either. 'Course now that the pressure is coming down from Tallahassee and the Fed, sounds like he may eventually be charged without grand jury being involved at all, which also ain't right either IMHO.

I guess my only point is that the whole thing sounds rather dirty -- at the very best there are a bunch of idiots down there if they couldn't see a big whup coming by just letting the whole incident slide hoping it would evaporate into thin air. At the worst, it's a whiff of the deep south in the 50s-60s.

- OS

Edited April 1, 2012 by OhShoot

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Some good points, and I understand the cultural bias. If there really is a problem and that city manager

hadn't tried to do something about it, earlier, do you think he might have thrown some egg in his own face? Ah,

it's beside the point.

It's interesting about the police chief. I can't help myself about using Sharpton and Jackson as the problems.

They are real problems, but I want to know more about the complaints. Could be something there.

Now, as to how it could be related to this case, if a pattern exists of a behaviour between the police, Zimmerman

an Martin, I can't wait to see it unfold, because it will be a can of worms and further politicize the game that's being

played. You and I both know about how weird local politics can get, just like inbreeding. and every town has their

share. And since this case was racialised(?) from the start and Jesse and the boys made it worse, I expect there

are several ways the local politics will be played. But, I ain't going there. I try to stay away from Clarksville politics,

so I definitely won't go into Sanford.

Maybe they had a KKK'er for a police chief. One more Democrat that lady DA could have fun with. I'd like that.

Those racist dumbasses are no different from the racist dumbasses like Jackson and Sharpton.

[TMF]

The PD Chief resigned? I thought he was temporarily stepping aside citing himself as being a distraction. I don't understand why the focus is on the Police Chief since one of his detectives wanted an arrest; it was the DA that didn't want to prosecute. Translation: go find more evidence or shelf it.

[Will Carry]

This old BS of “you can die from being in a fight†is ridiculous. Sure it can happen, I could also win PowerBall but it’s very unlikely.

Dave, you are wise and usually, you are correct and more than a worthy opponent in a forum discussion. Dave I have to agree with you on your point that if you instigate a fight, you can't use deadly force. In North Carolina that is the law. You can't pick a fight and then kill the guy because he is winning. I do contend that being is a street fight is very dangerous. I earned my black belt in Tae Kwon Do in 1975 and I can attest to the fact that you can get killed, blinded and maimed, in a street fight by a single blow. Today, I'm a crippled old man and I couldn't fight my way out of a field of tulips but I could still kill a man with a single "knife hand" blow to the throat.

Edited April 1, 2012 by Will Carry

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The PD Chief resigned? I thought he was temporarily stepping aside citing himself as being a distraction. I don't understand why the focus is on the Police Chief since one of his detectives wanted an arrest; it was the DA that didn't want to prosecute. Translation: go find more evidence or shelf it.

I told him I knew almost nothing about that. I probably agree, since there could, for all I know, be some kind

of racist agenda going on there, also. I don't know.

[EastHipster]

There are plenty of things about this story you can argue about and waste a bunch of time....

BUT

Zimmerman made several bonehead moves.

If you are going to follow some one that you think is suspicious, call the Police and don't get out of your car.

Be a 'good witness' and not a BAD DEFENDANT

[mikegideon]

Dave, you are wise and usually, you are correct and more than a worthy opponent in a forum discussion. Dave I have to agree with you on your point that if you instigate a fight, you can't use deadly force. In North Carolina that is the law. You can't pick a fight and then kill the guy because he is winning. I do contend that being is a street fight is very dangerous. I earned my black belt in Tae Kwon Do in 1975 and I can attest to the fact that you can get killed, blinded and maimed, in a street fight by a single blow. Today, I'm a crippled old man and I couldn't fight my way out of a field of tulips but I could still kill a man with a single "knife hand" blow to the throat.

Asking somebody a question is not starting a fight. Hitting somebody is. Whoever threw the first punch started the fight.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Exactly, and no one knows for a fact anything after the 911 call ended from Zimmerman

except from maybe an eyewitness, and the fact that someone is dead.

[mikegideon]

They know more. They're just saving it for the real trial.

Edited April 1, 2012 by mikegideon

[TMF]

They know more. They're just saving it for the real trial.

Yes.

[Will Carry]

They know more. They're just saving it for the real trial.

I agree. I don't know what really happened. If there is a trial then maybe the facts will come out.

[mikegideon]

I think it will come out either way. I don't blame the prosecuter for not showing her cards. If they fail to charge him, they're gonna have to say why. I think Florida riots would take on a different tone than the famous LA riots, simply because Florida allows their citizens to be armed. I'm thinkin' the casualties will be much higher.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'll probably be proven wrong on this, but I still think Zimmerman won't be charged and the woman DA

will tell us why. Considering the other stuff OS brought up may play into this, I don't know how, yet.

I do think that the Feds will stick their nose in too deep and probably do something stupid like a trumped

up "Hate Crime" charge, and it become a circus, as usual. I think there are bigger players involved and

it is ripe for the picking with the political climate, the Occupy queers and our current batch of problem

stirrers.

What I see from the media is also interesting, too, and thanks Mike for those CNN links, is a moderation

by some in the media. I don't know what to read into that, except that some outlets of filth are possibly

trying to get back some credibility with this whole farce, and actually reporting and not sensationalizing.

If there are really problems in Sanford, they will be dealt with. Although I think that city manager may have

stepped on himself. Yeh, I need lunch. This stuff is beginning to give me heartburn.

[mikegideon]

I don't think Obama 9and his campaign people) are THAT stupid. A trumped up hate crime charge can, and probably will cost him Florida.

[TMF]

I think it will come out either way. I don't blame the prosecuter for not showing her cards. If they fail to charge him, they're gonna have to say why. I think Florida riots would take on a different tone than the famous LA riots, simply because Florida allows their citizens to be armed. I'm thinkin' the casualties will be much higher.

That is one of the reasons. Another one is that you can bet that local and State LEAs have had an ongoing plan to mitigate such nonsense since they first decided to defrost Al Sharpton from his cryogenic capsule to participate in this sideshow.

Although that part of Florida is densely populated it is nowhere near that of LA, and most of the occupants of Central Florida wouldn't stand for such nonsense. At most any riots would be contained to the low income neighborhoods they start in, to which the police would just cordon off and let them destroy, causing tens of dollars in damage. They did this is St Pete a long time ago and the cops just let the rioters have their hay day until they ran out of things to burn.

[mikegideon]

I only wish that Al and Jesse would get caught up in the mess they helped create. I'm betting they'll be long gone when the SHTF.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

They aren't planning for riots in Florida. The riots will be in the big cities across the country,

if the people like Van Jones has his way. Occupy was just a practice session. This event in

Florida is just a potential trigger.

[mikegideon]

They aren't planning for riots in Florida. The riots will be in the big cities across the country,

if the people like Van Jones has his way. Occupy was just a practice session. This event in

Florida is just a potential trigger.

I have 12 loaded PMAGs and a garden hose. Guess we might as well get on with it

[Dennis1209]

I wonder who invented all these division identifiers? Another identifier that gets my goat is nationality identifiers, i.e., Africian-American, Asian-American, Mex-American, etc. etc. Unless you have dual citizenship why does that have any meaning at all? If it's that critical to annotate you're not fully American, migrate back to your pre-hyphenation and stand for something. JMHO

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Political correctness, Dennis. It's a bunch of crap.

Better yet, if they love to use it so much, why don't they just go back home and use the single version?

[Oh Shoot]

I wonder who invented all these division identifiers? ....

Political correctness, Dennis. It's a bunch of crap...

Yeah, just been a 50 year PC campaign to ameliorate n****r to African American, s**c to Hispanic American, etc etc.

To my memory the first cleansing occurred with "Native American" as "American Indian" was still seen as a slight pejorative when used to distinguish Crazy Horse from Gunga Din. Guess it still suggested "injun" or "red devil" or such. Btw, Brits called any of the dark skinned folks in their former Empire "n****rs, so the US of A didn't coin the phrase to begin with, but that's another story.

Of course, the "American" tag is stressed when somebody does something laudable; African Americans work hard and get college degrees, Blacks join gangs and go to jail. Hispanic Americans are hard working family oriented folks, Hispanics are on welfare and smuggle drugs.

"Hispanic" was bastardized by the Nixon admin to begin with -- it really only described Spaniards and Portuguese but now includes any New World Spanish speaking country too, but that's another story too.

Zimmerman has entered rarefied status though, as a villainous "White Hispanic". If he had saved Martin from being run over by a bus, he'd be a Hispanic American hero.

- OS