Don't think this is how the "stand your ground law" works

[Mike.357]

This is thread had turned into beating a dead horse.

There is no real new info, the case is being investigated and the media is running out of new angles.

Not so sure there is much more to comment on now.

[Lumber_Jack]

This is thread had turned into beating a dead horse.

There is no real new info, the case is being investigated and the media is running out of new angles.

Not so sure there is much more to comment on now.

Come on Mike, we're on the verge of changing each others minds. Don't give up now.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

This is thread had turned into beating a dead horse.

There is no real new info, the case is being investigated and the media is running out of new angles.

Not so sure there is much more to comment on now.

Kinda like "Disaster of mega proportions"?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

The stuff about Tom Owen and his sound analysis system is getting some air time on the radio now.

Quinn and Rose, WPGB, Pittsburgh, on IHeartradio. Quinn's tearing him up.

Crist was such a phony for a governor. I didn't know about the Crump angle at all until this morning,

but I bet he doesn't succeed this time.

[TMF]

But I still imagine that there are some who still believe Z is a child murdering racists and that all others want Z to be innocent so that we can murder people that scare us.....

Yep, haven't bought in to any of he media hype or lawyer BS, but I still have the opinion that he started something that he finished with his gun. Things will keep coming out on both sides (as we continue to see) but I'm not latching on to it. I'm only trusting what my own two ears heard on that very first call from Zimmerman. Just because I'm not posting in response to every reply doesn't mean I'm somehow eating crow.

The media lies... you don't say? Lawyers are blood sucking leeches.... shocker! Al Sharpton is a racist vulture... now I've heard everything! Point is none of these things have an impact on my opinion.

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[TMF]

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[mikegideon]

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Well... there are some of us that just that don't want to see somebody go to prison if he truly acted in self defense.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

At least there might not be as high a lynching now. It's good that EB-SF found that info. It looks like others have

found it, too. I didn't think about the family's lawyer at all, but it makes sense getting the buffoons, Jackson and

Sharpton involved. The "audio" specialists are being exposed for frauds, too. Maybe getting to some truth is

possible.

[TMF]

Well... there are some of us that just that don't want to see somebody go to prison if he truly acted in self defense.

Me neither. My opinions are independent of what the law does. If, at this point, he doesn't get charged its pretty clear they don't have enough to put in front of a jury. His being charged/convicted is really not much concern other than hoping that law enforcement put this under a microscope rather than just writing it off as a SD shoot and calling it a day.

Either way it doesn't change my opinion that his actions led to the shooting. If Florida doesn't think that makes him criminally liable then fine. The part that outrages me about this case is from the permit holder community. We have a responsibility to avoid confrontation when carrying, not seek it out. Pursuing someone while armed is so incredibly stupid and irresponsible; what did he think would happen if he caught up to him? Probably exactly what transpired. Florida (and other states) will likely amend carry laws due to this case. Everyone with a permit should be looking at this case as an example of what not to do.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

This hasn't convinced me states will change that statute one bit. Would you rather he left his gun at home while

he was on Neighborhood watch?

All the bad reporting will make this witch hunt fall into the ash heap of history and will end up nothing significant,

except in Sarah Brady's mind, and her movement is still in the decline. Her part of the political conspiracy called

socialism, is being exposed.

[mikegideon]

No doubt Zimmerman made this all a possibility. BUT, the first criminal act, that wasn't justified, is when somebody got physical. Changing the law won't reduce the amount of violence. It will just change the score between thugs and non-thugs.

[Mike.357]

I still don't understand why Martin did not call 911 himself. And or why he did not just run off or maybe stand his ground and identify what he was doing. Of course this all assumes he was not up to no good.

My prediction is no conviction against zimmerman and Martin's family will win big in a civil suit.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think so, too, Mike.357, but I also see a winning lawsuit for Zimmerman against the media whores.

[RobertNashville]

I noticed a certain person in this thread has suddenly got quiet.......strange timing.

I noticed that myself.

[RobertNashville]

...My opinions are independent of what the law does....Either way it doesn't change my opinion...

Which is exactly why we have a justice system.

Thank God we don't send people to jail just based on people's opinions; especially the opinions of those who weren't there and have no idea what really happened (no matter how may "911 tapes" they listen to.

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[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm not holding out for the justice system, yet, because the court of public opinion has a way of lingering

too long, but I'm more optimistic.

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[Smith]

I won't say I told you so ... So I'll type it.

In all seriousness, my stand is still the same. Be patient and avoid an emotional response. It's only after the emotions subside that clarity and logic can take hold. This thing is far from over.

[TMF]

Which is exactly why we have a justice system.

Thank God we don't send people to jail just based on people's opinions; especially the opinions of those who weren't there and have no idea what really happened (no matter how may "911 tapes" they listen to.

DID I EVER SAY THAT WE SHOULD CONVICT PEOPLE ON MY OPINIONS???

[RobertNashville]

DID I EVER SAY THAT WE SHOULD CONVICT PEOPLE ON MY OPINIONS???

No need to shout.

No, you haven't as far as I can recall (and I have no plans to go back through 800+ posts to check)...I'm just saying that in my opinion your opinion as well as the opinion of some others here, is based on significantly underwhelming, questionable and one-sided information.

My primary point, however, is that regardless of how much or how little evidence any opinion is based on, we have a justice system so that we don't depend on or convict people of a crime based the opinions of people who don't have all the evidence in front of them.

[Guest Gwith40]

I'm not sure if anyone has touched on this but it is quite interesting:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/

A couple of other points:

In my opinion, we are going to find that the investigation conducted by the Sanford Police was not as "shoddy" as has been portrayed by the media and the family, time will tell.

Sure, the family might file a lawsuit but I am not so sure it would be a productive enterprise. Much more information would come out.

[Smith]

DID I EVER SAY THAT WE SHOULD CONVICT PEOPLE ON MY OPINIONS???

I don't know did you? But you WOULD like to see people convicted on your opinion. These are just some of the earliest comment.

I don't have to worry about guilty or innocent on this guy. I'm not a representative of the government nor am I going to be sitting on a jury in Sanford. This guy took a young man's life because he was trigger happy. He will be convicted of some form of homicide and I hope some good 'ol prison justice permanently solves this problem in the end.

No kidding, read the transcript of Zimmerman's call from start to finish. It would blow my mind if someone could possibly ignore the obvious.

I think OJ killed his wife, Casey Anthony killed her child, Michael Jackson raped little boys, and Josh Powell killed his wife. I can say that since I'm not on a jury and I'm not a judge. It is unreasonable to think that most people don't reserve judgement for those involved in such incidents where guilt is likely. If I had to be on a jury I wouldn't be so quick to judge, but I'm not. So I think this walking wag-bag is guilty as sin. If you disagree then great. If you think I shouldn't form my opinions you can respectfully piss off.

Seems like a pretty reasonable assumption to me. I heard about this story before it broke nationally. There weren't many facts other than the young man wasn't armed. I figured there was more to the story; the kid was probably up to no good or something like that. Then it broke nationally and the 911 transcripts came out. At that point the intent of Zimmerman became clear. Now paired with the new evidence of the girlfriend listening to the whole incident it is beyond clear what transpired. This guy will soon know the racial utopia that is the Florida prison system.

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[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm not sure if anyone has touched on this but it is quite interesting:

http://dailycaller.c...artin-shooting/

A couple of other points:

In my opinion, we are going to find that the investigation conducted by the Sanford Police was not as "shoddy" as has been portrayed by the media and the family, time will tell.

Sure, the family might file a lawsuit but I am not so sure it would be a productive enterprise. Much more information would come out.

Wow! I heard that letter being quoted this morning on the radio, but I didn't know where it came from. Says a lot,

doesn't it?

[mcurrier]

Family offers evidence refuting racist claims against Zimmermann

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1571212

[Guest Gwith40]

Indeed, it looks like the racist narrative is falling apart, so: what will the media come up with next? It looks like most media outlets are trying to slowly backpedal on this case. I have noticed that since the Orlando Sentinel has been shown to look so foolish, the story is creeping down the page.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think it will go away, since NBC is being criticized, and the other bad actors are being exposed

for what they are.