What about Ron?

[kieefer]

Paul ended February with about $1.37 million in his campaign account — a pittance for a political campaign competing nationally.

Federal records show Endorse Liberty hasn’t made an independent expenditure on behalf of Paul since March 6, while super PACs supporting Romney, Santorum and Gingrich together have spent millions during that time.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74124.html#ixzz1pQAvBLx6

What's the deal? The inside word? I know there's a lot of support for ole Dr. No but Rick's wanting Newt to back out and bring it down to a two man race, no mention of Paul.

Paul hasn't won one state and it appears his "grassroots" effort can't develop the votes at the poll. Looks rather sad considering all the enthusiasm his supporters have for him.

Isn't it time for him to drop out? Ruin it for the rest of us by going third party? Time for his supporters to donate more money? Is all he lacks is media attention? Wot's the deal?

How about a cabinet position as Federal Reserve Security?

Got to love the photo though.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If he got Fed Chairman just imagine the fun he would have.

[Just2Honor]

Unforunately he not only hasn't won a state, in many he hasn't gotten a big enough percentage to qualify fo any delegates (like our own TN) Sorry to say I think his chance is over. Hopefully he can hang on and at least have some influence on the platform. To beat O the Republicans don't need his followers to not go to the polls in November.

Edited March 18, 2012 by RoadKill

[RobertNashville]

I knew months ago that RP would not win the nomination (in a much earlier thread back in the fall)...I I could figure that out then surely RP knew from the beginning that he would not win the nomination. I'm not sure what he truly hopes to gain; maybe it's just ego. Anyway, he will never drop out because, as I said, I don't think winning the nomination was really he intent in the first place.

Newt on the other hand is puzzling....he's won almost nothing and although I haven't seen his financials he must be desperate for money at this point; about all he can do by staying in is spoiling Santorum's chances....that seems even more odd since I really I think Newt dislikes Romney so why he would almost hand Romney the nomination is a mystery.

[Oh Shoot]

I knew months ago that RP would not win the nomination (in a much earlier thread back in the fall)...I I could figure that out then surely RP knew from the beginning that he would not win the nomination. I'm not sure what he truly hopes to gain; maybe it's just ego. Anyway, he will never drop out because, as I said, I don't think winning the nomination was really he intent in the first place....

He's just fighting the what I call the Patriot Fight at this point, He stated flat out after South Carolina he knows he isn't going to be president, and hinted as much much earlier.

His goal is simply to take the delegates he can garner to Tampa and squeeze the party for a plank or two in the platform, hoping that Romney may not get the delegates for a first ballot nomination, so that his delegate power, though small, can make a diff before releasing them.

I'd imagine in his heart of hearts he knows at his age this is probably the last roundup for which he can get this degree of media attention for the policies he advocates. One can see it as futile Don Quixote syndrome, or simply a man toward the end of his significant public influence going out on principle for whatever difference he might make to the public conscience, for a country he truly loves.

I tend to see it as the latter and he probably does too.

- OS

edit: Oh, and Newt, he's just a megalomaniac; he can't help it. I suppose he has convinced himself in some extended sense of similar altruistic politics, but he's just fooling himself, the real impetus is all about Newt. He and Obama share that. They both see themselves as Grand Historical Figures, the smartest guys in any room.

Edited March 18, 2012 by OhShoot

[tnhawk]

Ron who? With the small influence he has been in the primary, he won't be a factor in the race.

Edited March 18, 2012 by tnhawk

[mk19]

To me he is only candidate of worth, the rest don't get me started. During the debates none of them except Ron Paul talks about important issues, the latest not issue being talked about by Santorum is ban on porn, I mean come-on!!! Let's take care of the economy, our out of control expeditures, disappearing middle class, plus soo many other things plagueing our country before going after porn.

[RobertNashville]

I'm sure the candidates are talking about plenty aside from the "porn"...you won't hear it unless you go to their public appearances and fundraisers and such because the press, being a campaign partner of Obummer, would much rather talk about ANYTHING than actual issues...and if while ignoring the issues the press can paint Santorum as a religious nut who hates women or Romney as a follower of a cult that's just a bonus.

I don't buy that RP is the "only candidate of worth"...he has good and bad points just like ALL the candidates but that's water over the bridge anyway...he hasn't, isn't and isn't likely to get any traction so his worth as a candidate is a moot point. Our choice in November is going to be between Obama (a socialist who hates our country, hats our religion, hates our guns and and sees the Constitution as an implement to his plans but an impediment he is more than willing to step over) OR Republican candidate "XXX" who may at least apply a tourniquet to our bleeding long enough to keep the country alive until it can someday be return to health.

It's a VERY easy choice for me.

[Chucktshoes]

If you believe the Republican Party is any better or different than then the Democratic Party, I got some beach property in Arizona to sell ya. The leadership of both parties are made up of the same corrupt big government control types. One party might take a little longer to get there than the other, but they are both marching this country towards the same place. Looking out at the current state of things, I'd imagine I have a pretty good idea what it felt like in the late 1850s..

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Agree with that observation by OS about Ron.

Minimalize the "GOP" and emphasize the "conservatives" in the Republican Party and you would

see a different version. The progressives hang out in the GOP side. In other words, don't give up

on the Tea Party. It doesn't matter what the media tries to convince you of. They are still growing,

and the media is still lying.

[kieefer]

To me he is only candidate of worth, the rest don't get me started. During the debates none of them except Ron Paul talks about important issues, the latest not issue being talked about by Santorum is ban on porn, I mean come-on!!! Let's take care of the economy, our out of control expeditures, disappearing middle class, plus soo many other things plagueing our country before going after porn.

Speaking of the media lying, Santorum simply promises to enforce federal obscenity laws through his Attorney General, cracking down on the illegal distribution of hard-core porn. This was enough for CNN to blare the headline "War on Pornography" three times in one day and bring the matter up for discussion with political panels.

More hype and discredit from the same media that won't give Paul face time.

Of course you know Rick is big on family and values, this is from his site - http://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography

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Edited March 18, 2012 by kieefer

[mikegideon]

If you believe the Republican Party is any better or different than then the Democratic Party, I got some beach property in Arizona to sell ya. The leadership of both parties are made up of the same corrupt big government control types. One party might take a little longer to get there than the other, but they are both marching this country towards the same place. Looking out at the current state of things, I'd imagine I have a pretty good idea what it felt like in the late 1850s..

Yep. I don't have high expectations from any of them. I'm going to stop tying up so many brain cells with the whole mess.

[Wyldk2]

If you do your research( which i doubt majority will do) you will see that RP ( Ron Paul) has won more straw polls than any other candidate. He hasn't won any state but i'm sure if they recounted the state of Maine, Romney would not have been the winner. But that's one state. Those that think he never had a chance aren't seeing the real message here, Even if he's not elected to the nomination, there is a chance he will run Independent, That's where the republican candicy will lose to obama.

Ron's message about liberty is getting out, too bad the media seems to not want to mention him( maybe they are funded by those "in charge"). No matter who you vote for, "those in charge" are the ones who will decide who is the next president. It has always been like that, maybe not as far back as the founding fathers.

True though, the republicans and Democrats are 2 sides of the same coin, one side will come up with something, touting it as their great achievement, yet maybe the last time it was introduced, the other party had come up with a version of it and was blocked by the other party, cause it wasn't their idea.

Thing is, we all have to start spreading the word, you might not like everything he is for, but it's a lot better having ron in office than the POS we have now. Or any of the other candidates, though Mitt, is a closer second than the rest of those fake conservatives. But if those out there who are potential voters would see that Ron is the only candidate that has not taken money or support from any of the big banks that took the Bail-outs. The other 4 main candidates including obama, have.

[Smith]

The reason Romney will get the nomination is not because of the GOP. Romney will get the nomination because of Ron Paul. The same reason we got the first Clinton administration, thanks Perot. We would be far better of if the conservatives would ban together, compromised on some of the social stuff in the sort term then fought it out at the top. Instead of always trying to split a ticket at the bottom.

That's the irony of the whole thing. The GOP insiders could have been defeated long ago but remain because some of the most conservative/libertarians in the party have to have it all or nothing. We have gotten nothing.

With Pauls ties to Romney it may just well be that he IS splitting the ticket for Romney. If so, Paul loses all credibility in my book.

[mikegideon]

With Pauls ties to Romney it may just well be that he IS splitting the ticket for Romney. If so, Paul loses all credibility in my book.

Why? If he cares about the country enough to jump into that mess, why wouldn't he do what he could to steer it in a direction he believes in? It why he's in Congress.

[Smith]

Why? If he cares about the country enough to jump into that mess, why wouldn't he do what he could to steer it in a direction he believes in? It why he's in Congress.

Because, It would be the hypocrisy of all hypocrisies.

[Guest HvyMtl]

He's just fighting the what I call the Patriot Fight at this point, He stated flat out after South Carolina he knows he isn't going to be president, and hinted as much much earlier.

His goal is simply to take the delegates he can garner to Tampa and squeeze the party for a plank or two in the platform, hoping that Romney may not get the delegates for a first ballot nomination, so that his delegate power, though small, can make a diff before releasing them.

I'd imagine in his heart of hearts he knows at his age this is probably the last roundup for which he can get this degree of media attention for the policies he advocates. One can see it as futile Don Quixote syndrome, or simply a man toward the end of his significant public influence going out on principle for whatever difference he might make to the public conscience, for a country he truly loves.

I tend to see it as the latter and he probably does too.

- OS

Oh Shoot, I think you are spot on with this. And he will probably push for a speech at the convention, too.

[RobertNashville]

If you do your research( which i doubt majority will do) you will see that RP ( Ron Paul) has won more straw polls than any other candidate. He hasn't won any state but i'm sure if they recounted the state of Maine, Romney would not have been the winner. But that's one state. Those that think he never had a chance aren't seeing the real message here, Even if he's not elected to the nomination, there is a chance he will run Independent, That's where the republican candicy will lose to obama.

Ron Paul won't win the nomination and he won't be president...it's just that simple.

If he runs as an independent he'll prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that he doesn't give a flying f**k about this country because an independent run will ensure a second term for Obama, continued $1Trillion + deficits and two or three left-wing loons on the supreme court. If RonPaulRobots are so wrapped up in their devotion to Ron Paul that they can not or will not see what a second term for Obama will do then they deserve the country they'll be left with by the end of 2016.

Edited March 18, 2012 by RobertNashville

[Oh Shoot]

....If he runs as an independent he'll prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that he doesn't give a flying f**k about this country because an independent run will ensure a second term for Obama, ...

I'd be amazed if he did for two reasons:

- For the reason you just stated

- The GOP disgust would rub off onto his son to whatever degree, and he won't hamstring his son's political future

- OS

[RobertNashville]

I'd be amazed if he did for two reasons:

- For the reason you just stated

- The GOP disgust would rub off onto his son to whatever degree, and he won't hamstring his son's political future

- OS

Good point...Ran Paul seems (stress "seems" at this point) to have all of his father's good points but less radical on some of his father's other positions; I see good things for him in the future and I agree, I don't think his father would want to do anything to spoil that and pissing off most of the Republican party (along with a lot of other people who don't identify themselves as "Republican" but still want Obummer out of office) will never forgive the Paul family.

[mav]

I'd be amazed if he did for two reasons:

- For the reason you just stated

- The GOP disgust would rub off onto his son to whatever degree, and he won't hamstring his son's political future

- OS

You're 2 for 2 on this thread.

Ron Paul won't win the nomination and he won't be president...it's just that simple.

If he runs as an independent he'll prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that he doesn't give a flying f**k about this country because an independent run will ensure a second term for Obama, continued $1Trillion + deficits and two or three left-wing loons on the supreme court. If RonPaulRobots are so wrapped up in their devotion to Ron Paul that they can not or will not see what a second term for Obama will do then they deserve the country they'll be left with by the end of 2016.

I think everyone pretty much knows there is no way Paul will get the presidency. The only people that think otherwise, just aren't thinking things through clearly.

I held the hope, even though I knew it was a longshot, that Paul would get the nomination. It is obvious that he will not, and while I do not like any of the other candidates, I will be voting for the GOP nominee. I hope it is Romney as I do not like the other two choices for various reasons that are not applicable to this thread.

The question now is who are the Paul supporters going to get behind. I am certain that some (a small minority) won't vote, will vote for Johnson, or may write in Paul's name. In order to defeat Obama, the GOP will need the majority of the Paul voters. Some members of the forum (not you) and certain radio talk show hosts think that crass comments and condescension of Paul and Paul supporters is the way to go. Personally, I think this is incredibly foolish and really shows a lack of character. Many of Paul's supporters are impressionable college age adults who realize that they have been given a raw deal. It is they who are going to be left with this crushing debt with no possible way of paying it back.

If Romney or any other the other candidates are smart, they will appeal to those supporters, and perhaps adopt some of Paul's fiscal policies, since that was his primary platform. The last thing any of us who want Obama out of office should want is to belittle them, and heaven forbid, they turn against the GOP and work against them. Jack Welch, former CEO of GE, and his wife spoke about this very issue many months ago. While Jack and his wife are Romney supporters, all of their kids fervently support Paul, so he has a understanding on the possible ramifications of alienating, diminishing, or mocking Paul's supporters.

I was and still am a proud Paul supporter. Even though he cannot win the nomination, I think he should stay in the race until the convention primarily to continue spreading his message of fiscal sanity around all of the states. My hope that is more people will wake up to the danger we are facing unless the spending is stopped. We have already surpassed the 100% debt to GDP mark, and it is only going to increase. While I am not ready to write us off yet, the outlook is becoming bleaker.