Deep Concealment

[Mike.357]

I can easily get the gun out and fire a shot in under 1.5 seconds.

I call on this

[towerclimber37]

I call on this

Oh, I dunno Mike, 1.5 seconds is a long time! Plus, Deerslayer shoots competition so he's done quite a bit more practice than the average HCP holder.

I'm willing to bet he can. I know Mark could draw and aim just about before I could blink, but that was awhile back, in our younger years.

[Mike.357]

I defer to Tower in this case, I stand corrected.

I would like to see a weapon come from deep concealment, be aimed and shot in 1.5 secs though.

I re-read Deer's post and I do not doubt a gun can come from a holster and be aimed and shot in 1.5 secs. But the title of the thread is deep concealment so I was thinking on those lines.

Edited April 27, 2008 by Mike.357

[towerclimber37]

depending on the size of your pants, and your rig, you can definitely do it.

it DOES take practice though.

[Mike.357]

I can't do the deep conceal thing. I pretty much just stick to casual concealment.

I did OC a couple of times last week. One was a trip to the little market to pick up lunch. Place was packed with other people getting lunch and no one looked at me sideways or really seemed to care. Of course it is still a little rural here.

If you are ever up in Corryton around lunch time the place is called House Mountain Market it is on Washington Pike. They have the best cheeseburgers around. And they always get ultra high scores on their inspections too.

[deerslayer]

I call on this

Bring your paycheck.

[deerslayer]

My apologies--I guess it depends on your definition of "deep concealment." That CTAC under a tucked or untucked polo-type shirt is about as deep as it gets for me. The untucked shirt is faster than the tucked. Same holster with shirt tucked in and under a vest or jacket is the fastest. You get much deeper and it almost defeats the purpose of carrying a gun, IMO.

Edited April 27, 2008 by deerslayer

[Guest nraforlife]

A concealment shirt like the 5.11 is a slow draw but it is for those occasions where the need to be as discrete as possible is highly advisable.

[Guest dotsun]

Glock 26 in a bianchi IWB holster covered with an untucked extra large t-shirt. Unless I'm bending/reaching high/doing competitive gymnastics, it's invisible. I'm not really sure why I'd need any "deeper" concealment than invisible.

[strickj]

Are those shirts easy to keep clean and fresh,or does one need to change shirts during the day?

[The Rabbi]

Pants. I wear pants. The Model 642 hides well in the left pocket. I can fire the gun from inside the pants with my hand on it in less than 1.5 seconds, probably less than 1 second in fact.

[strickj]

Rabbi,,Thats what they call premature ejaculation

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi,,Thats what they call premature ejaculation

At my age I get jealous of a stiff breeze....

[Mike.357]

Deerslayer no offense intended. I believe you can draw, aim and fire in a second and a half from an accessible holster.

I guess my definition of deep concealment is along the lines of a pistol under a tucked in shirt, or in an ankle holster.

Is there a definitive definition of deep concealment?

Edited April 29, 2008 by Mike.357

[Urse]

I don't know what your definition of deep concealment is but I would think most people with a modicum of practice could get their gun out of a IWB holster and fire a shot COM within 1.5 seconds at a distance of 7 yards. That is from under either a cover garment or an untucked shirt.

[molonlabetn]

I'd consider deep concealment to be a manner of carrying which is not likely to be discovered except by a metal detector or a very thorough frisking.

[deerslayer]

I would be willing to bet that most guys with a carry permit could not get a COM shot off at 7 yards in under 1.5 seconds when drawing from an untucked shirt (when reacting to a buzzer). It's harder than it sounds.

Mike.357, now you've got me curious. I can tuck a shirt over the CTAC, and blouse it a little to conceal it, but now I'm wondering how quickly I can draw with a tucked-in shirt. I've practiced it a little, but never timed a draw-and-fire. In theory, it shouldn't be much difference, but theory often turns to crap when the timer goes off.

[Guest nosnos]

Deerslayer, I tend to agree with your statement that most HCP holders could NOT get a decent shot off that fast. I'm no pro (and I don't think most permit holders are) and I am willing to admit that if I were to get a shot off in 1.5 seconds it would be out the bottom of my holster at best.

I mean, seriously, that is FAST with clothing in the way.

Deep concealment to me is that you would have no fear of being made no matter how much movement you might be doing. Bending over, etc. My keltec in my pocket is the only thing that suits me for "deep concealment".

[Guest nraforlife]

I'd consider deep concealment to be a manner of carrying which is not likely to be discovered except by a metal detector or a very thorough frisking.

My definition also. We must not scare the sheep.

[Guest GregRN]

My Smith 442 conceals in a pocket, but I am not confident that it is deep concealment in all pants. However, SmartCarry is deep concealment for the 442 with no one ever being any wiser. The draw is slow, but if really deep concealment is needed (and sometimes is for me) then it serves the purpose much better than leaving it in the car. I also think the revolver shape lends itself much better for deep concealment.

[Guest GregRN]

I don't get the term "deep concealment".Your gun is either concealed or not.I guess it means you actually try to conceal your gun well enough to avoid detection which is the purpose of carrying concealed in the first place.

Deep concealment is for those times that 'being made' would cause you harm. That harm may be as simple as an hour long lecture from your Grandmother, or being banned from a social function forever, to losing a job, or legal problems. Concealment means you are not trying to open carry, but someone discovering your weapon might just make them uncomfortable at worst. There is a difference in deep concealment. With deep concealment, you must be sure.

[Guest db99wj]

I would be willing to bet that most guys with a carry permit could not get a COM shot off at 7 yards in under 1.5 seconds when drawing from an untucked shirt (when reacting to a buzzer). It's harder than it sounds.

Mike.357, now you've got me curious. I can tuck a shirt over the CTAC, and blouse it a little to conceal it, but now I'm wondering how quickly I can draw with a tucked-in shirt. I've practiced it a little, but never timed a draw-and-fire. In theory, it shouldn't be much difference, but theory often turns to crap when the timer goes off.

I have been timed (in a class) and practiced and can get mine from holstered to fire in under 1.5 with my CTAC and untucked. It is going to take a little longer to get a tucked in shirt out of the tucked position and out of the way due to the fact that you are adding a new movement with your weak hand crossing your body to pull the shirt out of the way, but it shouldn't take that much longer, I also have not been timed on this. I do know I need to practice more with a tucked in shirt and if I can get it close to the 1.5, I will be happy.

[Guest db99wj]

Deep concealment is for those times that 'being made' would cause you harm. That harm may be as simple as an hour long lecture from your Grandmother, or being banned from a social function forever, to losing a job, or legal problems. Concealment means you are not trying to open carry, but someone discovering your weapon might just make them uncomfortable at worst. There is a difference in deep concealment. With deep concealment, you must be sure.

With that definition, I am at deep concealment as I type. I am wearing a shirt and tie, my CTAC, XD, my shirt is tucked in and it has all but disappeared. I will be going one more step and getting the velcro clips in order to completely disappear.

[deerslayer]

you are adding a new movement with your weak hand crossing your body to pull the shirt out of the way

I do this whether my shirt is tucked or untucked.

[strickj]

I would be willing to bet that most guys with a carry permit could not get a COM shot off at 7 yards in under 1.5 seconds when drawing from an untucked shirt (when reacting to a buzzer). It's harder than it sounds.

Mike.357, now you've got me curious. I can tuck a shirt over the CTAC, and blouse it a little to conceal it, but now I'm wondering how quickly I can draw with a tucked-in shirt. I've practiced it a little, but never timed a draw-and-fire. In theory, it shouldn't be much difference, but theory often turns to crap when the timer goes off.

You wear a blouse