The Supreme Court and You -- Ongoing Battle

[Oh Shoot]

So, for all you folks who say you are absolutely NOT going to vote for the GOP nominee if it's (Romney/Gingrich/Santorum) ...

Again, please remember that O is likely gonna get 1-2 more picks in his second term, and conceivably even 4. Add those to his two already installed socialists, Sotomayor and Kagen, and he's going to have more influence over ultimate US jurisprudence that any president in history.

What inspires this as a separate post, is the fact that the Supremes are going to re-hear a case of long "settled" law, affirmative action in higher education.

This shows that the already tenuous decisions in Heller and McDonald may well only be short-lived. All it takes is another case that works its way up. All it takes is for the Supreme Court to agree to hear it. Do you really think we'd get another 5/4 decision with even ONE more of O's appointments on there? There is really no such thing as "settled law" in the highest court of the land -- it can be changed in a heartbeat to the new "settled law".

It'll be bad liberal enough if the Senate goes barely GOP. If it stays Dem, those appointments will be so far left you'll need binos to even see them. Nowhere will the difference likely be more decisive than with firearms law.

So I say again, vote your conscience in the primary, but bite the bullet and vote GOP in the general. If you must puke to do it, let it rip (hopefully on a Dem ).

- OS

[jumprun13k]

My feelings exactly. It annoys me to no end when someone says that if Paul is not the nominee they will write him in. He can't win with that, but we can ALL lose. Vote your conscience in the Primary, but suck it up and vote for the nominee in the General.

[Guest bkelm18]

So, for all you folks who say you are absolutely NOT going to vote for the GOP nominee if it's (Romney/Gingrich/Santorum) ...

Again, please remember that O is likely gonna get 1-2 more picks in his second term, and conceivably even 4. Add those to his two already installed socialists, Sotomayor and Kagen, and he's going to have more influence over ultimate US jurisprudence that any president in history.

What inspires this as a separate post, is the fact that the Supremes are going to re-hear a case of long "settled" law, affirmative action in higher education.

This shows that the already tenuous decisions in Heller and McDonald may well only be short-lived. All it takes is another case that works its way up. All it takes is for the Supreme Court to agree to hear it. Do you really think we'd get another 5/4 decision with even ONE more of O's appointments on there? There is really no such thing as "settled law" in the highest court of the land -- it can be changed in a heartbeat to the new "settled law".

It'll be bad liberal enough if the Senate goes barely GOP. If it stays Dem, those appointments will be so far left you'll need binos to even see them. Nowhere will the difference likely be more decisive than with firearms law.

So I say again, vote your conscience in the primary, but bite the bullet and vote GOP in the general. If you must puke to do it, let it rip (hopefully on a Dem ).

- OS

As usual, a voice of reason. I'm sure those who are short sighted enough to plan on voting third party, or not voting, just to prove a point, are going to be singing a different tune as their rights are whittled away systematically over the coming years if His Majesty is re-elected. Frightening, just frightening.

[plank white]

As usual, a voice of reason. I'm sure those who are short sighted enough to plan on voting third party, or not voting, just to prove a point, are going to be singing a different tune as their rights are whittled away systematically over the coming years if His Majesty is re-elected. Frightening, just frightening.

Our rights have been whittled away systematically over the last 60+ years no matter who was in office and now its come to the point where everyone will wake up and realise a vote for someone Like a Romney is the same thing as a Vote for Obama There is no difference they are both bought and paid for by huge players Like Goldman Sachs

Please For the Love of god Wake Up!!!!

have you ever heard of devide and conquer that is what the Republican/democrat partys are doing they want you to believe you have no choice "You do " quit voting for the same crap . Its simple the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different out come . If everyone who mimicked the mainstream media by saying Ron Paul cant win would actually vote For him he would win we are past the days of hold your breath and vote the last generation screwed everything up for my generation with that crap and now we are screwing the next generation with the same garbage . Your vote for "Who you are told to vote for is a wasted Vote" because you had a chance to change something for future generations but instead you opted to do what everyone else does so hey lets do what the media says and vote for the guy who lost to the guy who lost to obama then hope he wins wake up already . /rant

[Oh Shoot]

.... Your vote for "Who you are told to vote for is a wasted Vote" because you had a chance to change something for future generations but instead you opted to do what everyone else does so hey lets do what the media says and vote for the guy who lost to the guy who lost to obama then hope he wins wake up already . /rant

John Anderson and Ross Perot are on line two. Paul will join their small club of changing nothing.

However, a 5/6/7 liberal activist Supreme Court majority will change things for the the next 25-50 years. If indeed the US continues to exist that long.

- OS

Edited February 22, 2012 by OhShoot

[Guest bkelm18]

Plank... Paul has no chance of winning. ZERO. All he will do is divide the vote on the right and ensure Obama's victory if people decide to "try and change something for future generations". Something will be changed alright. You remember DC vs. Heller? Remember the SCOTUS decision? For the first time, they affirmed that the 2nd Amendment was an individual right. Now let's say your Paul sucks enough votes away from the GOP candidate and Obama wins again. Once he swings the high court to the left, what do you think will happen the next time a 2nd Amendment case comes up for review? Maybe someday they'll decide that the 2A isn't an individual right anymore. Since it's not a right anymore, then the UN Gun Ban won't be that difficult to pass. Then the 2A will be a forgotten memory. Obama will be in and out in 4 years. The SCOTUS will be tainted for YEARS to come. I suppose the book is right: You reap what you sow.

[Oh Shoot]

oops, meant to edit, not new post

Edited February 22, 2012 by OhShoot

[Guest bkelm18]

John Anderson and Ross Perot are on line two. Paul will join their small club of changing nothing.

However, a 5/6/7 liberal activist Supreme Court majority will change things for the the next 25-50 years. If indeed the US continues to exist that long.

- OS

We'll just fuse with Canada and Mexico. The Western Hemisphere Union. The edict of the High Chancellor shall be the law of the land.

I have an overactive imagination.

[plank white]

I would like to say to those who are blantently voting for Warmongers and Huge spending and Giant government in the Primary it will be your fault Whatever happens after the general Be it Obama or Romney the Blame will be on your shoulders not my because I damn shure didnt vote for it .

If there was another canidate willing to Cut one Trillion in the first year , Bring our troops home and quit starting Wars across the globe and nation building ,and promise to do there best to get rid of buracratic agencys that do more harm then good . Then I would vote for them . I will NOT support the curruption that leads to more debt, More wars "Iran, syria, etc."

I supported bush Back when I was in the military , I believed the media clowns and the "whole stay the course crap" and I fell for it when they said we had to go into Iraq. I lost three of My best friends for that garbage and my little brother is 26 with demensia and 2 Purple Hearts For what?? I was wrong and all I can do is try to fix it by voting for the most constitionaly sound candidate available . I swore to defend the Constitution against all enemys Foreign and domestic and The Greatest enemys of the constitution arent over there they are here.

Those people over there are doing the same thing you and I would do if another country invaded us. Im sick of watching my brothers and sisters being brainwashed into fighting for corperations and Big business . What can I do about it nothing except atleast vote for someone with more honor , integrity , and personal courage in the face of adversity than anyone I have ever seen. Shure wish our fathers and grandfathers had done the same!

Edited February 22, 2012 by plank white

[Guest ThePunisher]

Please For the Love of god Wake Up!!!!

have you ever heard of devide and conquer that is what the Republican/democrat partys are doing they want you to believe you have no choice "You do " quit voting for the same crap . Its simple the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different out come . If everyone who mimicked the mainstream media by saying Ron Paul cant win would actually vote For him he would win we are past the days of hold your breath and vote the last generation screwed everything up for my generation with that crap and now we are screwing the next generation with the same garbage . Your vote for "Who you are told to vote for is a wasted Vote" because you had a chance to change something for future generations but instead you opted to do what everyone else does so hey lets do what the media says and vote for the guy who lost to the guy who lost to obama then hope he wins wake up already . /rant

In 2008 the idiots of this country took a crap shot at Obumer and look what our country got: a Marxist dictator. I know 4 more years will destroy this country, so therefore by taking a crap shot for the R candidate in the general election in 2012 would be a better choice than the Marxist in the WH. If they are just like Obumer, then you can vote them out in 2016. All you RP supporters, please wake up!!!

Liberty is the right to choose, Freedom is the result of the right choice.

[Guest lostpass]

For the record I am fairly certain the Justice Sotomayor's views on weapons mirror Ron Paul. The difference being that she sees the issue as "settled law"

For my money I don't see the difference between Obama's appointees and whoever Romney might nominate. If Obama gets to nominate a few more I'd imagine police and corporate power would decrease. Which I think would be a good thing. If Romney gets to throw a few up there I imagine that things will stay the same for longer with the court. Conflicted about this.

At the end of the day I'm not voting for Obama not because of the court, or because of anything else he might do. I'll vote for someone else because after all the crap Obama told me he would do he didn't. Still got Gitmo? Yep. Raise taxes to pay down the deficit? Nope. Transparency? I can't see you from here.

Everything conservatives tell me about Obama eventually turns out to be untrue, sadly everything liberals tell me about Obama turns out to be untrue.

It's like you go to restaurant where they've been serving you Campbells chicken noodle soup for years. you decide that you've had enough of the salty swill so you ask for something different. BAM! You get a bowl of Campbells chicken and rice. You say this is just the same crap but with rice instead of noodles. The waiter says "I told you if you asked for something different they'd take your noodles away" than he hands you a big ass side dish of noodles.

Most people will say there is some kind of lib versus con war. I'd say the controversy is manufactured. What we have is center right guy versus a center right guy (no really obama is center right) trying to play to center right country. The best center right option that pretends he isn't center right wins.

[Guest bkelm18]

For the record I am fairly certain the Justice Sotomayor's views on weapons mirror Ron Paul. The difference being that she sees the issue as "settled law"

So in the 2004 case of United States v. Sanchez-Villar when Sotomayor said "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right.", she actually meant that the right to possess a gun really is a fundemental right?

Also, lest we not forget, she dissented on the McDonald v. Chicago case.

Dare I say she is not our friend.

Edited February 22, 2012 by bkelm18

[Guest lostpass]

So in the 2004 case of United States v. Sanchez-Villar when Sotomayor said "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right.", she actually meant that the right to possess a gun really is a fundemental right?

Also, lest we not forget, she dissented on the McDonald v. Chicago case.

Dare I say she is not our friend.

I would agree.But remember that her position is that states can regulate it all they want, only the federal gov't can't. Which is a convenient position to take when you're anti gun but a position that would not serve you when you are dealing with civil rights or something. So she is inconsistent. Well, I guess she is inconsistent, haven't really researched her civil rights record. But I would guess she is pro civil rights. The inconsistency might boggle my mind but that is the position of Ron Paul as far as I know.

I always wonder why TV is so crappy. I learned the answer the other day: TV is crappy because that is what people want. Crappy TV pays. And then people wonder why the options in the election booth are crappy.

[tnhawk]

My feelings exactly. It annoys me to no end when someone says that if Paul is not the nominee they will write him in. He can't win with that, but we can ALL lose. Vote your conscience in the Primary, but suck it up and vote for the nominee in the General.

I voted for my choice in the primary yesterday. When the dust settles, I'll vote for the candidate running against obummer.

[Guest bkelm18]

I always wonder why TV is so crappy. I learned the answer the other day: TV is crappy because that is what people want. Crappy TV pays. And then people wonder why the options in the election booth are crappy.

I hear that. We reap what we sow.

Edited February 22, 2012 by bkelm18

[Lumber_Jack]

ABO for this guy. I know some here want a revolution, but those are violent and deadly and not as glamorous as Hollywood might portray. I say one step at a time. Get Obama out, then work to get the next joker out.

[Guest A10thunderbolt]

To me Its about doing what is morally right, I will vote for who I think should be president. We are in the shape we are in because of people trying to play politics.

In the end either we will get the right man elected or there may be a war, playing politics is like dancing with the devil, previous generations screwed up thinking they could win by playing politics. Lets Change how we do things, and stand up for what we believe in, bottom line if everyone voted for who they wanted to be president we would get him in.

By the way Short sighted people play politics, long sighted people see the problem and try to correct it no matter how much it may seem to hurt.

Edited February 22, 2012 by A10thunderbolt

[Guest bkelm18]

By the way Short sighted people play politics, long sighted people see the problem and try to correct it no matter how much it may seem to hurt.

A third party candidate has zero chance of winning, so it's really a moot point to grandstand and talk about principles. The problem is the SCOTUS. If it swings to the left, it could be years, if not decades before we can swing it back to the right. That's a lot of time to do irrepairable damage. That's a whole lotta hurt for these people who want to change the system. That's too great of a risk for me to vote for "the right candidate". Obama has got to go. I'm not saying Romney will do a whole heck of a lot better, but I'd rather have a fighting chance than toss away my vote on principle.

[Guest A10thunderbolt]

Well we have been going down hill for years as far as rights are concerned, I guess we should keep voting and playing the game. NOT! Principles are what this country was founded on it was left up to the people to maintain its freedom and they have been giving it away and giving up their principles for the sake of security, which doesn't exist. The world is unpredictable people need to grow up and take responsibility for themselves and realize bad things happen, and plan for it. Short sighted, is thinking you are going to change the direction of the country by choosing to pick one of the establishments candidates they (The Feds) have a plan to Grow government or maintain its size until they can.

[Lumber_Jack]

Everyone is assuming that if O gets reelected that the country will spin out of control and the coveted Revolution will ensue. I think quite the opposite. The populous will become more complacent as out rights are stripped away little by little and this country will be changed forever, for the worse. Vote how you want, but don't preach to me about voting for warmongers and so on. you can't change the system over night. So why not take a step for getting the SCOTUS conservative then champion your candidate. It won't be long before Rand takes Ron's place in the election campaigns.

[Guest A10thunderbolt]

Just going on where voting the same way for years and years has gotten us in this mess. It has not changed anything in the past why would it change in the future? Republicans and democrats are all on the same team. they sit back pocket our money and decide what else they can do to gain more control. It all started when the gov started supporting Poverty and using Tax payer money to bribe votes. They all feel like they have to pander to the welfare baby's to get elected.

Not Preaching just giving my HOP.

[Lumber_Jack]

I get your point and don't disagree on motives. My point is this isn't about voting strategy. If this were a nationwide discussion being held by millions if people, I'd agree with you. But it's not, it's being held by a vast minority, just enough to get O reelected. And regardless of whether it not you like either Dem or Rep, a vote for Paul is a vote for O. I just don't see the logic. It may help you sleep better at night, but in the end what has it changed?

[Guest A10thunderbolt]

I think, we will never agree, but my children will never be raised to compromise their beliefs, for the greater good, that is what started this mess and that is what will contribute to the down fall of our nation if it continues, as for the Rev that you say will never come about, and that people will just become more complacent, I think not, history shows us that no nation will last forever as long as it is run by government. I vote for future generations not myself. (and so I can sleep better at night)

Edited February 22, 2012 by A10thunderbolt

[Guest ThePunisher]

Anybody still remember the Tea Party, and the results of their efforts in 2010. This movement is a genuine effort to reform the establishment republican party, and bring accountability back that is needed by our politicians. I don't see a movement to have accountability in the Democrap party, nor will you ever see such a movement. It's a slow one step at a time process to bring back honor and integrity to our government. The Tea Party is all about kicking the establishment bums out of office, but Obumer and the Dems like to demonize them because they are afraid that this is the closest thing to a civil and peaceful revolution. Obumer actually wants an American Spring to bring about a collapse of American capitalism, and so he can declare himself dictator and destroy our great nation.

Obumer is the most dangerous president we've ever had, and the American people went to sleep when they elected him POTUS. It's not too late to take back our country in 2012 at the election booths if we unite on one purpose only, and that is to kick this Marzist bum out of the WH. Vote your principles in the primary, but vote united ABO in the general election.

Edited February 22, 2012 by ThePunisher

[G27]

Funny how folks keep saying "a vote for (insert name other than traditional 'big-government / alienation of liberty' republican nominee) is a vote for Obama" instead of realizing it's precisely THAT attitude that causes us to be where we are - fear. Instead of doing what you know in your heart is right - voting for the candidate you think is the BEST solution - you continue to follow the party fear-mongering and buy it hook, line and sinker.

You guys willing to vote for compromise need to wake up, not those of us who refuse to throw our votes away on the 'lesser of two evils'. The pretzel logic displayed by that mindset is puzzling, indeed...

AFAIC, if Obama or Romney/Gingrich are the choice, we're doomed anyway.