permit holder for seven years can I carry if order of protection against me???

[GLOCKMEISTER]

then send the programer back to the mfg. and get it reset. $4 in shipping...

[Guest kwikrnu]

If you wanted to sue some one then go get the papers and wait until the cops or whoever serves them.

Do you understand the process? The above statement shows you do not.

YOU MAY NOT SUE ANYONE UNLESS YOU CAN FIND THEM. YOU DO NOT FILE THE PAPERS WITH THE COURT CLERK AND HAVE THE SHERIFF SERVE PAPERS UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS. IT CAN'T BE JUST ANY ADDRESS IT HAS TO BE A GOOD ADDRESS WHERE THEY CAN FIND THE GUY.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Fact is, your actions have shown the intent to harass. Dude, you're contacting the Codes Department, in hopes of "getting even". If you were driving down the street, and happened to see this vehicle on blocks, you would have never given it a second thought. But, because this guy has made you angry, you've decided you're going to do whatever it takes to get even.

Bottom line, You attempted to handle this situation while making it known you were armed with a firearm (open carry). A person that had nothing to do with the situtaion (she didn't sell you the wrong part), now cliams she felt threatened by your actions while you were carrying a firearm. The said woman had a restraining order filed against you for your above mentioned actions. Also, didn't you mention the fact that someone else (from the codes dept.?) also fealt scared and/or threatened by your actions? Just what will help your case. Having a governemnt offical scared of you, your actions or weapon is never a good thing. That's probably not going to help your case any.

On top of all that, have you ever stopped to think about the repercussions of your actions, for the rest of us who carry a gun? When you get yourself into a confrontation while carrying a firearm, you're asking for trouble, for all of us. We don't need anymore people thinking that we're a bunch of rogue outlaws who feel it's Ok to take the law into our own hands with a firearm on our side. Yes, it's perfectly leagal to carry a gun in the open, but there are times (like this one, when two brain cells should be put to use) when you would be much better off by carrying it concealed. Everyday, there is groups of people trying to take our rights away, and your actions don't help our case in the slightest. And don't think for one split second that our right to carry a gun isn't in jeopardy, simply becuase we have the Constitution. Just ask people who live in cities and states that have already thrown the Constitution out the window for thier own set of rules. It's happened to them, and it can happen to us.

The address where I went and the email address to where I sent the one email and the telephone # I called I think twice is all registered to the business called, The Onsite Techs. Jason Childress is the owner or partner. I do not know this woman who filed the petition for the order of protection and received the ex parte temporary order of protection(NOT RESTRAINING ORDER).

I did not mention that in the order Deidre says the woman in codes felt scared because it is a lie. I was at codes and spoke with the woman. She stood 1 foot away from me. If she was scared why didn't she tell me? Why didn't she tell her supervisor who was standing 1 foot away from me or the two women secretaries who were sitting a few feet away? If they were so scared why wasn't security called? Why wasn't I hauled away? Why wasn't I told to leave? Why wasn't I asked to leave?

I went to codes because I thought the business was in violation of city ordinance. I told them what I thought the violations were. It is their job to cite residences or businesses which volate the codes.

As far as the conceled carry why not start a new thread about that? As long as Tennesseans have a choice why not exercise the right to carry as one sees fit? If it is better to carry concealed then lets petition our representatives to make our State a concealed carry State.

[Guest kwikrnu]

then send the programer back to the mfg. and get it reset. $4 in shipping...

I called they will not do that. Anyway, shipping to and from Memphis with insurance is likely to cost more than $4.

There are computer hackers who will for $80 reset the programmer. I think it is against the licensing agreement from Hypertech. I'm pretty sure if Hypertech knows who is doing this they would sue them.

[Mike.357]

I want to make sure I am following this correctly.

you bought something.

It did not work

You have since re-sold it and made up your loss plus a little.

Am I up to speed on this?

[dralarms]

then send the programer back to the mfg. and get it reset. $4 in shipping...

Excellent idea.

Do you understand the process? The above statement shows you do not.

YOU MAY NOT SUE ANYONE UNLESS YOU CAN FIND THEM. YOU DO NOT FILE THE PAPERS WITH THE COURT CLERK AND HAVE THE SHERIFF SERVE PAPERS UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS. IT CAN'T BE JUST ANY ADDRESS IT HAS TO BE A GOOD ADDRESS WHERE THEY CAN FIND THE GUY.

No I am not sue happy so not I do not know the process. And yelling won't get you anywhere.

If the guy told you it was not vin locked then by all means sue him, but use some common sense.

I'm self employed, I have all kinds of people that owe me for services, I could probally sue them for it but the cost of the suit, time off from work and the emotional toll I just shut off their service and go on. Sorry that's the way it is.

In my last post I saidwas through and wished you good luck. Don't try and drag me back into your nighmare. I'm tired of playing since I don't have access to all the data.

[dralarms]

I want to make sure I am following this correctly.

you bought something.

It did not work

You have since re-sold it and made up your loss plus a little.

Am I up to speed on this?

That's what I understood. Maybe I mis read it as well.

[towerclimber37]

Geez. Are you always an accident waiting to happen? :-

a wise fella once told me " the first time its an accident, second time its a coincidence. 3rd time, its a habit."

Get a lawyer and fight it out in court.

oh..and you're not allowed to come to any shoots on in NE. Tn. that take place on Marks' property, since he has no paperwork for you to sign absolving us of any accidents.

[Guest kwikrnu]

I want to make sure I am following this correctly.

you bought something.

It did not work

You have since re-sold it and made up your loss plus a little.

Am I up to speed on this?

Is this a test to see if you can get me to screw up and say something wrong? Honestly, I have posted the truth about everything here.

I currenty own two lt1 station wagons. I did not own either on February 24th. Even though I suppose in some sense I did kind of own one, but it was not paid for. I won it in an ebay auction on the 22nd. Anyway, I was in an active search for parts to modify a 1994-1996 chevy caprice or Buick estate wagon. I saw the hypertech what was advertised as part #30026 on craigslist for $200. I offered $140. He accepted. When I met him it was not part # 30026 but a different part #340752. I bought it knowing if it did not work for the vehicle I had planned to get I could resale the device and easily get my money back. So, I bought the $140 hypertech from Jason.

I saw a hypertech part # 30026 on ebay the next morning item #110227719927. I bid. That same evening I put the hypertech I bought from jason on ebay item #230226476719. It sold the next day for $150. I could not send the programmer out for a couple of days. That Tuesday before I was to send out the programmer I bought from Jason and sold on ebay I wanted to see if it would work on the Chevy Caprice LT1 which I bought off craigslist a day earlier and had drove to Michigan to get. On the 28th I tested it in my car. The readout displayed VIN LOCKED and the vin #, I think, of Jasons or his fathers 1994 camaro z28 which was totaled in July 2007. I contacted the ebay buyer and said I was sorry, but had made a mistake and sold him a non functioning part. I immediately refunded his payment.

I received the hypertech 30026 from the other ebay seller later and discovered it too was vin locked, but I returned it and she gave refunded the money and shipping.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Excellent idea.

No I am not sue happy so not I do not know the process. And yelling won't get you anywhere.

If the guy told you it was not vin locked then by all means sue him, but use some common sense.

I'm self employed, I have all kinds of people that owe me for services, I could probally sue them for it but the cost of the suit, time off from work and the emotional toll I just shut off their service and go on. Sorry that's the way it is.

In my last post I saidwas through and wished you good luck. Don't try and drag me back into your nighmare. I'm tired of playing since I don't have access to all the data.

Excellent idea except for the fact that the manufacturer isn't going to reset a part they have no obligation to reset especially when they can just sell me a new one for $400.

Yelling got you to understand that an address and good service is needed to sue someone.

If you choose to let people cheat you then that is your choice. As I said earlier if more people held cheats responsible there would be fewer cheats.

You do not have to respond. I haven't looked but there may be an ignore list you can setup under the user settings.

Edited April 20, 2008 by kwikrnu

[Guest kwikrnu]

That's what I understood. Maybe I mis read it as well.

I never said I made up any loss. You misread and misunderstood again.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Get a lawyer and fight it out in court.

oh..and you're not allowed to come to any shoots on in NE. Tn. that take place on Marks' property, since he has no paperwork for you to sign absolving us of any accidents.

Thanks, but I'm not interested in driving any amount of distance to shoot. Gas costs too much and ammo costs too much. It has been at least a year since my wife and I have went to the range.

[Rightwinger]

Thanks, but I'm not interested in driving any amount of distance to shoot. Gas costs too much and ammo costs too much. It has been at least a year since my wife and I have went to the range.

Oh crap....I see a whole new thread hijack coming with that statement. Moving on, moving on......

[TripleDigitRide]

Oh crap....I see a whole new thread hijack coming with that statement. Moving on, moving on......

What do you mean?

Like, why in the world are you carrying a gun (any gun) everyday that you have not practiced with in at least a year? Not a very "safety" oriented fella, are ya?

Something like that? No, I'm not gonna bring it up.

[Guest kwikrnu]

What do you mean?

Like, why in the world are you carrying a gun (any gun) everyday that you have not practiced with in at least a year? Not a very "safety" oriented fella, are ya?

Something like that? No, I'm not gonna bring it up.

That is another good thread to start. Let us petition our representatives in State government to restrict the citizens of Tennessee who have carry permits to those who practice every month or week or day. You choose.

[Rightwinger]

No, no, no...that is a purely individual requirement. Just like I don't want them telling me how often I have to change the oil on my vehicles. The smart car owner changes it regularly. The idiot is paying the mechanic to replace the seized parts because they didn't do the minimum, yet not regulated, maintenance to be a responsible auto owner.

You own a couple of vehicles, you seem to care about them with the programmers your wanting. Do we dare use the logical statement here you have been trying to pound into everyones minds here and on Glock talk? IF X = Y THEN ?????

[towerclimber37]

*sigh*

common sense dictates that if you carry a tool, then you should be competent to use it.

since a firearm is a tool that has only one purpose, it would be the acme of common sense that you be competent to use it. Since its a well established fact that skills in shot placement erode without practice,then a fella that 'can't justify the time to practice' shouldn't carry a firearm.

I hate to say it, but you sir are an accident waiting to happen. wait..that wouldn't be an accident, that would be a manslaughter charge since you would probably hit someone you didn't intend to. I suggest that if you carry, you go practice. for your wifes' sake! I doubt that she would like to see you go to jail for shooting someone that you didn't mean to. not to mention that all your possessions would probably be forfeit to the family of the person(s) you've hurt.

this is NOT something a responsible citizen does. what's more shocking is that you admit it.

such poor use of common sense in this one critical area makes me wonder where ELSE you've made mistakes...

and you're correct. Tn Law doesn't state that you have to maintain your competence with a firearm to carry it. what they DO is make provisions for your stupidity by ensuring that should you exercise that bad judgement, you will pay for it. and dearly.

[Guest kwikrnu]

No, no, no...that is a purely individual requirement.

That is what I thought.

If the law says if you pass the checks, take the class and qualify at the range you are good to go then there should be no question that that person may legally carry period.

If the law says nothing about having to conceal then that is how it should be. There should be no question when or if carrying openly is bad or illegal or questionable period.

[Guest kwikrnu]

*sigh*

common sense dictates that if you carry a tool, then you should be competent to use it.

since a firearm is a tool that has only one purpose, it would be the acme of common sense that you be competent to use it. Since its a well established fact that skills in shot placement erode without practice,then a fella that 'can't justify the time to practice' shouldn't carry a firearm.

I hate to say it, but you sir are an accident waiting to happen. wait..that wouldn't be an accident, that would be a manslaughter charge since you would probably hit someone you didn't intend to. I suggest that if you carry, you go practice. for your wifes' sake! I doubt that she would like to see you go to jail for shooting someone that you didn't mean to. not to mention that all your possessions would probably be forfeit to the family of the person(s) you've hurt.

this is NOT something a responsible citizen does. what's more shocking is that you admit it.

such poor use of common sense in this one critical area makes me wonder where ELSE you've made mistakes...

and you're correct. Tn Law doesn't state that you have to maintain your competence with a firearm to carry it. what they DO is make provisions for your stupidity by ensuring that should you exercise that bad judgement, you will pay for it. and dearly.

I should do a copy and paste and send this to all the state reps. I'm sure they would love to hear your opinion that all handgun carry permit holders should be competent and the handgun carry permit test is not enough. The person needs to be competent and practice continually. Maybe take several self defense classes including some stress fire exercises per year and some required reading. Is your goal to remove handgun carry permits from 99% of all tennessee residents?

[Rightwinger]

Answer the rest of it though, not just the portion where I agree that your legally able to carry a weapon and not have a lick of practice with it. The govt also doesnt tell me I have to go to the dentist, or shower, or a myriad of other things. Responsible, competent adults do these things because of Common Sense (see my other post under DEATH Notice).

You can't try and turn portions of arguments into postivie features of a point your trying to make. As a private investigator (my second or side job) one of the first things we would check was prior suit activity. You are a red flag on so many levels.

You asked us by posting the question. You knew we would answer. You don't like many of the answers but the majority is against your manner and methods. Quack Quack:blush:

[Marswolf]

Anyone have anything more to add that is on topic?

If not, I think it's about time to close this one.

[Rightwinger]

He isn't listening anyway

[Guest kwikrnu]

Answer the rest of it though, not just the portion where I agree that your legally able to carry a weapon and not have a lick of practice with it. The govt also doesnt tell me I have to go to the dentist, or shower, or a myriad of other things. Responsible, competent adults do these things because of Common Sense (see my other post under DEATH Notice).

You can't try and turn portions of arguments into postivie features of a point your trying to make. As a private investigator (my second or side job) one of the first things we would check was prior suit activity. You are a red flag on so many levels.

You asked us by posting the question. You knew we would answer. You don't like many of the answers but the majority is against your manner and methods. Quack Quack:blush:

I've carried this weapon for 7 years. I've been to the range many times.

Many people sue others indirectly. Many business sue others as well.

Every accident in which I have been involved could have been handed over to the insurance and my insurance may have sued the other party.

I have won every law suit in which I have been party.

Never been charged criminally.

Never had a misdemeanor charge against me.

Honorably discharged veteran.

Clean driving record, Hazmat endorsement letter from The TSA.

Married once, 12 years to the same woman I am still in the marriage.

Yeah, I'm a crazy bad guy.

Edited April 20, 2008 by kwikrnu

[Mike.357]

okay, I am not trying to trip you up, but the saga in this thread was getting sketchy and I needed clarafication. I missed that you bought a second one and did not recoup money on the original.

I have to say I have never met anyone as litigious as yourself. I really have to wonder if this is not a case of what goes around comes around.

Why do you carry a sidearm but never train? I mean going to the range once a month is not going to break you from the sounds of things. I dare say if you had spent 140 bucks on bullets and range time you would be way better off than what you spent 140 bucks on.

I am curious, and there is no intent to trip you up here, but why did you need this car computer? I was unaware there is this big aftermarket thing on them things.

I nominate this thread for the most entertaining thread of the weekend!

[towerclimber37]

I should do a copy and paste and send this to all the state reps. I'm sure they would love to hear your opinion that all handgun carry permit holders should be competent and the handgun carry permit test is not enough. The person needs to be competent and practice continually. Maybe take several self defense classes including some stress fire exercises per year and some required reading. Is your goal to remove handgun carry permits from 99% of all Tennessee residents?

nope, its YOUR right to carry!

what I AM trying to do is to alert you to the fact that you're doing something that is dangerous and can cost either you and your family or someone else their lives. If you'd stop your self righteous blather, and look at the facts you'd see that. You're welcome to be as foolish as you please when its YOU paying for your mistakes. as it is now, it appears that others will. If that can be avoided, I think it's the right thing to do to tell you.

I'd also like to see you back up the statement with facts that 99% of handgun carry permit holders do not seek additional training/practice after getting their permit.

Truth to tell, I probably practice the least out of all these folks on this forum due to work constraints..and I usually run through about 15,000 rounds a year. I seek and gain training every time I get to shoot with others on this forum. Many on here have quite a bit more training than I've ever had. all I had was combat time and military training, which doesn't fit with civilian life except for the basics of marksmanship. We all learn from each other and there's no reason for anyone on here to take issue with you unless you're doing something that's dangerous.

in that respect, I'm no different! these guys and girls would be on me like rabid pirhanas if I did something so foolish..and rightly so!