permit holder for seven years can I carry if order of protection against me???

[TripleDigitRide]

I haven't read the other stuff, mainly because I can't get registered, never got my activation email but I do trust Tungsten's word. In life you get what you paid for, if you paid for trouble then you will get it and deserve it.

Same here. Never got the email. I tried to change my email, then it banned me. Go figure.

[Guest kwikrnu]

The more and more I read about this situation, the more and more I believe it may be a good idea to revoke your HCP. You're simply unstable in the head.

I understand you being upset over the loss of $140, but your thought process on how the situation should be dealt with is way out there. Unfortunately, if you don't have the ability to use wise judgement in dealing with such a simple situation, I'm not very comfortable knowing you're able to walk around with a gun.

Maybe you can explain how to deal with the situation. Remember this is do it yourself not hiring attorneys and private investigators.

I followed a logical progression.

#1 contact the guy and tell him the part he sold me didn't work.

#2 contact again and ask why he hasn't gotten back to me.

#3 contact and threaten a lawsuit

#4 find contact info so I can sue him.

#5 sue him.

I didn't go looking to hurt the guy or threaten the guy. Ask anyone who has met me and they will tell you I am a nice guy.

Edited April 20, 2008 by kwikrnu

[Guest canynracer]

$1 or $2 or $2000 does it make a difference? IMO no. In the courts opinion no. .

YES, it DOES matter, there are processes...and alternatives to the way this was handled...you are WRONG in what you did.

I always carry my gun out in the open. I've had no problems in 7 years. You know why? Because it is legal. I never threatened anyone. If I wasn't within my rights I would have been arrested..

like I said...use the "its not illegal"....how bout common sense?

The part should work for my car. I have been told it would work. You obviously do not know how this programmer works. It is "vin locked". Which means it is locked to the car it was programmed to until that car is retunred to stock. It is still locked to a 1994 camaro that was totaled in July 2007. It is unusable period. A close comparison would be you buying a computer program that requires a password. You buy the program and the guy gives you an invalid password..

then WHY did you buy it for a BUICK???? and this point is absolutley IRRELEVANT...I dont care if you bought a snickers bar and found a milky way in the wrapper...there are ways to deal with this stuff, and they way you did it is WRONG...you get no sympathy here, and I honestly hope you DONT lose your permit...

but unfortunatley, the steps you have taken to "Prove your point" of the "principals" look A LOT like harassment, which from a courts perspective, WILL make that order stand for the year...

[TripleDigitRide]

Maybe you can explain how to deal with the situation. Remember this is do it yourself not hiring attorneys and private investigators.

You just answered the question for yourself. You're attempting to play the role of "Magnum PI/Barnaby Jones", when you should have just hired a lawyer or PI to serve the papers for you in the first place. Your lack of proper thought process has convinced you that you could handle this on your own, but face it, you can't. Not without causing yourslf a whole lot more greif in the long run.

If it was me, I'd be willing to pay $140 to make it all go away.

[Guest kwikrnu]

YES, it DOES matter, there are processes...and alternatives to the way this was handled...you are WRONG in what you did.

like I said...use the "its not illegal"....how bout common sense?

then WHY did you buy it for a BUICK???? and this point is absolutley IRRELEVANT...I dont care if you bought a snickers bar and found a milky way in the wrapper...there are ways to deal with this stuff, and they way you did it is WRONG...you get no sympathy here, and I honestly hope you DONT lose your permit...

but unfortunatley, the steps you have taken to "Prove your point" of the "principals" look A LOT like harassment, which from a courts perspective, WILL make that order stand for the year...

You say there are ways to deal with this. Explain further.

Well, something is either legal or it is not. Next time a cop pulls you over for speeding 37 in a 35 explain to him why that is not speeding. Is open carry legal in this State? If it is are there times when it is not legal? If you want to start an open or concealed carry debate that would be a good new topic to start.

P.S. the engine and transmission in that 1994 camaro is the same as the engine transmission in my 1995 buick roadmaster. Cadillac fleetwoods, corvettes, buick roadmaster wagons and sedans, caprice wagons and caprice sedans of around those years all got the same engine except for small differences like corevttes had aluminum heads and mass airflow sensors were different.

[dralarms]

You just answered the question for yourself. You're attempting to play the role of "Magnum PI/Barnaby Jones", when you should have just hired a lawyer or PI to serve the papers for you in the first place. Your lack of proper thought process has convinced you that you could handle this on your own, but face it, you can't. Not without causing yourslf a whole lot more greif in the long run.

If it was me, I'd be willing to pay $140 to make it all go away.

Well if he ogt himself an order of protection over 140.00 then kiss the HCP goodby (probaly). I've made mistakes in my time but if I buy a part for my car then I'll make sure it fits (as per application, not some local yahoo's opinion) before I buy it. As far as car computer equipment goes you can't depend on anything.

[Guest canynracer]

You just answered the question for yourself. You're attempting to play the role of "Magnum PI/Barnaby Jones", when you should have just hired a lawyer or PI to serve the papers for you in the first place. Your lack of proper thought process has convinced you that you could handle this on your own, but face it, you can't. Not without causing yourslf a whole lot more greif in the long run.

If it was me, I'd be willing to pay $140 to make it all go away.

LOL...+1000000000

[Fallguy]

LOL....I think the one biggest thing I've learned from this thread is if I ever have a question about my legal status...I will NOT discuss the details of what lead me to asking my question.....

But I don't like confrontation either....and not saying that anyone else on here does....

[dralarms]

You say there are ways to deal with this. Explain further.

Well, something is either legal or it is not. Next time a cop pulls you over for speeding 37 in a 35 explain to him why that is not speeding. Is open carry legal in this State? If it is are there times when it is not legal? If you want to start an open or concealed carry debate that would be a good new topic to start..

If he wants to pull me over and give me a ticket for 2 miles over the limit then I'll pay the damn ticket and go on, after all I was the one speeding.

P.S. the engine and transmission in that 1994 camaro is the same as the engine transmission in my 1995 buick roadmaster. Cadillac fleetwoods, corvettes, buick roadmaster wagons and sedans, caprice wagons and caprice sedans of around those years all got the same engine except for small differences like corevttes had aluminum heads and mass airflow sensors were different.

Buying used computer equipment for a car is just plain silly. How do you know it working the the car it was in?

[Guest kwikrnu]

You just answered the question for yourself. You're attempting to play the role of "Magnum PI/Barnaby Jones", when you should have just hired a lawyer or PI to serve the papers for you in the first place. Your lack of proper thought process has convinced you that you could handle this on your own, but face it, you can't. Not without causing yourslf a whole lot more greif in the long run.

If it was me, I'd be willing to pay $140 to make it all go away.

Is it illegal for me to look for an address and knock doors trying to find someone? No it isn't.

I didn't serve any papers. Infact the plantiff can't serve process. The sheriff is supposed to do that or a process server, but they cost more. Hopefully he has been able to.

[Guest canynracer]

You say there are ways to deal with this. Explain further..

Hire people...remember, the money amount isnt the point....

Well, something is either legal or it is not. Next time a cop pulls you over for speeding 37 in a 35 explain to him why that is not speeding. Is open carry legal in this State? If it is are there times when it is not legal? If you want to start an open or concealed carry debate that would be a good new topic to start...

its not, and I am not gonna get into that...you open carried KNOWING you were walking into a possible confrontation...you are looking to turn this into a legal debate...its not...its called COMMON SENSE...

P.S. the engine and transmission in that 1994 camaro is the same as the engine transmission in my 1995 buick roadmaster. Cadillac fleetwoods, corvettes, buick roadmaster wagons and sedans, caprice wagons and caprice sedans of around those years all got the same engine except for small differences like corevttes had aluminum heads and mass airflow sensors were different.

Once again...IRRELEVANT...

[Guest kwikrnu]

Well if he ogt himself an order of protection over 140.00 then kiss the HCP goodby (probaly). I've made mistakes in my time but if I buy a part for my car then I'll make sure it fits (as per application, not some local yahoo's opinion) before I buy it. As far as car computer equipment goes you can't depend on anything.

I begin to wonder if people posting read the entire story.

The guy I am suing did not get an order of protection. His friend whom I have never seen took one out. I wish this guy I am suing got one because then he would have to show up in court and the sheriff could serve him.

Like has been explained if the programmer was not vin locked and did not work on my car I could have sold it for at least what I paid. If you read the tnspeed website you will see that I did infact sell the part for $10 more than I paid on ebay.

Edited April 20, 2008 by kwikrnu

[dralarms]

I begin to wonder if people posting read the entire story.

The guy I am suing did not get an order of protection. His friend whom I have never seen took one out. I wish this guy I am suing got one because then he would have to show up in court and the sheriff could serve him.

don't matter who took out the order of protection, you screwed yourself by stepping in it. If you wanted to sue some one then go get the papers and wait until the cops or whoever serves them. you were asking for trouble.

Buying non working part $140.00

sueing for your mistake $?

not being ablt to carry a handgun for at least a year: priceless

[Guest canynracer]

I begin to wonder if people posting read the entire story.

The guy I am suing did not get an order of protection. His friend whom I have never seen took one out. I wish this guy I am suing got one because then he would have to show up in court and the sheriff could serve him.

It doesnt not matter WHO did it...you got it from SOMEONE that felt threatened by the way you "handled" the situation...cause YOU CHOSE to magnumPI the situation...

[Mike.357]

I've decided it is best not to carry the gun for a few weeks.

This is the wisest statement you have made in this thread. I have no background in law, other than being in the system for a few months this last summer, but I believe your permit is no longer valid. Kind of like if your drivers license was suspended, whether they tell you or not it is still suspended.

Seems like you dug yourself a hole in this deal. Were you wronged Maybe, probably, i dunno. But for 140 bucks it certainly is not worth the crap you will now go through.

I do credit you for not stomping off mad about the rough treatment you have been getting here.

We members here might not be a lot of things but one we definitely are is BRUTAL.

[Guest canynracer]

don't matter who took out the order of protection, you screwed yourself by stepping in it. If you wanted to sue some one then go get the papers and wait until the cops or whoever serves them. you were asking for trouble.

Buying non working part $140.00

sueing for your mistake $?

not being ablt to carry a handgun for at least a year: priceless

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAA...you owe me a KEYBOARD...LMFAO, I need to make that my sig line!!!!

[dralarms]

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAA...you owe me a KEYBOARD...LMFAO, I need to make that my sig line!!!!

Send me your address so I can send you one, I sue don;t want you sueing me for it.

[dralarms]

Oh and I would read the stuff on tennspeed if they would have ever sent me my email.

[Guest kwikrnu]

Hire people...remember, the money amount isnt the point....

its not, and I am not gonna get into that...you open carried KNOWING you were walking into a possible confrontation...you are looking to turn this into a legal debate...its not...its called COMMON SENSE...

Once again...IRRELEVANT...

If I wanted a confrontation I wouldn't have told the lady my name through the door. If this woman would have told me she had called the cops, if she did, I would have waited around. Just as I waited around when I went to his parents house that evening.

Irrelevant? You brought it up and totally misunderstood what this programmer fits and how it works. I had to explain it in detail for you and others.

[Guest kwikrnu]

This is the wisest statement you have made in this thread. I have no background in law, other than being in the system for a few months this last summer, but I believe your permit is no longer valid. Kind of like if your drivers license was suspended, whether they tell you or not it is still suspended.

Seems like you dug yourself a hole in this deal. Were you wronged Maybe, probably, i dunno. But for 140 bucks it certainly is not worth the crap you will now go through.

I do credit you for not stomping off mad about the rough treatment you have been getting here.

We members here might not be a lot of things but one we definitely are is BRUTAL.

I can stand brutality. What I do not understand and never have is how people do not think logically.

I've read your thread from last year and your rough unfair treatment. I try to take people at their word and hope people take me at mine. I've not lied and the complete releant story may be found here and on the tnspeed site. There are no differences. I know because I am currently making up a time line to take with me to the hearing.

I'm pretty sure it will not become a valid order after the hearing because I did have a good reason to call, email and visit the address which I did. I did not email or call excessively or drive by. I think two calls and one email and only one visit to the business/residence. I think I can show that the defendant in my lawsuit who knows the woman who swore out the warrant and they conspired as revenge against this lawsuit.

[Guest canynracer]

If I wanted a confrontation I wouldn't have told the lady my name through the door. If this woman would have told me she had called the cops, if she did, I would have waited around. Just as I waited around when I went to his parents house that evening. .

why didnt YOU call the cops???

Irrelevant? You brought it up and totally misunderstood what this programmer fits and how it works. I had to explain it in detail for you and others.

actually, no I didnt bring it up...I only said that you bought something based on what you were told, even though the dude that sold it to you SAID it might not work...

I also said: I dont care if you bought a snickers bar and found a milky way

oh, and as a ASE certified master technician turned computer geek, I understand...thanks for the lesson though

[dralarms]

Ok,

Since I don't know the "whole" story I'll shutup. But's hard to know the whole story without being able to know all details.

I for one (myself, no one else) would have forgotten the 140 since according to what has been said here that you were told it would not work in your car.

You have made your decision and I wish you the best of luck, I do not look for a good outcome but the courts have surprised me in the past.

[TripleDigitRide]

Is it illegal for me to look for an address and knock doors trying to find someone? No it isn't.

I didn't serve any papers. Infact the plantiff can't serve process. The sheriff is supposed to do that or a process server, but they cost more. Hopefully he has been able to.

Let me know how the "legality" of your actions work for you. Often times, it's best to mix a little common sense with the legal aspects of any given situation.

Fact is, your actions have shown the intent to harass. Dude, you're contacting the Codes Department, in hopes of "getting even". If you were driving down the street, and happened to see this vehicle on blocks, you would have never given it a second thought. But, because this guy has made you angry, you've decided you're going to do whatever it takes to get even.

Bottom line, You attempted to handle this situation while making it known you were armed with a firearm (open carry). A person that had nothing to do with the situtaion (she didn't sell you the wrong part), now cliams she felt threatened by your actions while you were carrying a firearm. The said woman had a restraining order filed against you for your above mentioned actions. Also, didn't you mention the fact that someone else (from the codes dept.?) also fealt scared and/or threatened by your actions? Just what will help your case. Having a governemnt offical scared of you, your actions or weapon is never a good thing. That's probably not going to help your case any.

On top of all that, have you ever stopped to think about the repercussions of your actions, for the rest of us who carry a gun? When you get yourself into a confrontation while carrying a firearm, you're asking for trouble, for all of us. We don't need anymore people thinking that we're a bunch of rogue outlaws who feel it's Ok to take the law into our own hands with a firearm on our side. Yes, it's perfectly leagal to carry a gun in the open, but there are times (like this one, when two brain cells should be put to use) when you would be much better off by carrying it concealed. Everyday, there is groups of people trying to take our rights away, and your actions don't help our case in the slightest. And don't think for one split second that our right to carry a gun isn't in jeopardy, simply becuase we have the Constitution. Just ask people who live in cities and states that have already thrown the Constitution out the window for thier own set of rules. It's happened to them, and it can happen to us.

[Guest canynracer]

Well said Triple....

[Guest kwikrnu]

why didnt YOU call the cops???

actually, no I didnt bring it up...I only said that you bought something based on what you were told, even though the dude that sold it to you SAID it might not work...

Why should I have called the cops? The lady asked me to leave and I did. If someone knocks on your door do you call the cops? If you knock on someones door and they tell you to leave do you call the cops?

I do not recall him saying it might not work. He told me on the phone it was not vin locked and it was in working condition. The only important points are that this programmer was sold to me as a working programmer and the programmer does not work and will not work ever unless the car it was used to program is programmed back to stock.