Stacey Gets The Boot

[daddyo]

We cannot legislate morality, and both sides seem to be doing that.

Sounds to me like you're just repeating what you've heard. Every single law is based on someone's morality.

[Will H]

Respectfully, I disagree. Many laws are not founded in morality, rather many exist to facilitate freedom, law and order, and security. It could be said that a law making murder illegal is a law based in morality, but they would be missing the point I was making. I was not just using a catch phrase. I meant it literally.

[LagerHead]

Probably not, unless it was a public figure with well known views. Would you kick Sarah Brady out of your establishment? I sure would.

Not me. I'd just thank her heartily for supporting a 2nd Amendment loving, gun-toting business and then laugh as she headed for the door like her head was on fire and her ass was catchin'.

Personally I have no use for the Senator or the business owner. Yeah, I think his remarks are pig headed, arrogant, misinformed, and a little like the Crusades from the days of old, you know "believe like me or I will make you." I also do not like her turning him out because he does not share her beliefs.

Then again I am a total libertarian. I don't care if people are gay or not. the choices of others have nothing to do with my faith in the lord or the life I choose to lead. We cannot legislate morality, and both sides seem to be doing that.

If you're a total libertarian, and I am, why don't you support her right to kick someone out just because she doesn't like his beliefs? I believe if you own a business you have the right to tell someone to pound sand if you don't like the color of their socks.

Of course I also believe they should live with the consequences when their business begins to suffer. No bailouts from me, thank you.

[Guest lostpass]

If it's okay to demand a person leave because of his remarks/beliefs about "gays" and "aids" is it equally okay if I own a restaurant and I demand that someone leave because they are "gay"? I wonder how the "gay community" would like that???

On a side note, I hate that homosexuals have co opted the word "gay" and completely changed the meaning.

Gay has meant "gay" forever

[Oh Shoot]

I'll say this for ole Stacey...

Just sent the email through TFA site regarding the parking lot bill, and got what certainly seem like a personally written response back from him...at 10:30 pm. He's all for it, of course, has tried to get it cranking in the past.

- OS

[RobertNashville]

Gay has meant "gay" forever

"Gay" has meant different things but is has not not meant "homosexual" forever.

The word "gay" did have a "sexual" content for a long time but it didn't really gain wild-spread use to describe homosexuals until the mid to late 1950's; even then it was generally only used to describe a male homosexual...it didn't really apply to female homosexuals until later. I would suggest it's the activists in the homosexual community that has truly co-opted the word; almost to the point that that referring to a homosexual as a homosexual is considered a derogatory term!

I guess I have this thing about words...I don't like them being misused, especially when they are misused for politically correct purposes...i.e. using the worg "gender: instead of sex or "native American" instead of "American Indian", etc.

[R_Bert]

"Gay" has meant different things but is has not not meant "homosexual" forever.

The word "gay" did have a "sexual" content for a long time but it didn't really gain wild-spread use to describe homosexuals until the mid to late 1950's; even then it was generally only used to describe a male homosexual...it didn't really apply to female homosexuals until later. I would suggest it's the activists in the homosexual community that has truly co-opted the word; almost to the point that that referring to a homosexual as a homosexual is considered a derogatory term!

I guess I have this thing about words...I don't like them being misused, especially when they are misused for politically correct purposes...i.e. using the worg "gender: instead of sex or "native American" instead of "American Indian", etc.

Even taken "straight"...that 1637 Oxford definition is not flattering.

[Guest bkelm18]

I don't think a word can be misused... A word is a word, it means whatever we want it to. Words change over time, it's the natural progression of language.

[jtmaze]

I'll say this for ole Stacey...

Just sent the email through TFA site regarding the parking lot bill, and got what certainly seem like a personally written response back from him...at 10:30 pm. He's all for it, of course, has tried to get it cranking in the past.

- OS

I got a response this afternoon a couple of hours after sending. Very personal response.

JTM🔫

Sent from my iPhone

[RobertNashville]

I don't think a word can be misused... A word is a word, it means whatever we want it to. Words change over time, it's the natural progression of language.

I disagree...if there aren't rules of language and meaning there can be no communication between two people.

If I say I'm a "native American" (and I am) it doesn't mean I'm American Indian.

[Guest pfries]

Like it or not I have to stand behind someone that stands up for their beliefs no matter the cost. This is a core principle behind my own views and what I believe this country was founded on. Weather she is right or wrong that type of decision is up to her, whether it gains her success or causes failure. I do not have to like, agree with, or understand, I do have to accept that this is how she feels and in this case wishes to run her business. If I find myself in the area, I may even darken her doorway.

Just my 2 cents

[Guest lostpass]

"Gay" has meant different things but is has not not meant "homosexual" forever.

The word "gay" did have a "sexual" content for a long time but it didn't really gain wild-spread use to describe homosexuals until the mid to late 1950's; even then it was generally only used to describe a male homosexual...it didn't really apply to female homosexuals until later. I would suggest it's the activists in the homosexual community that has truly co-opted the word; almost to the point that that referring to a homosexual as a homosexual is considered a derogatory term!

I guess I have this thing about words...I don't like them being misused, especially when they are misused for politically correct purposes...i.e. using the worg "gender: instead of sex or "native American" instead of "American Indian", etc.

For a lot of people 1950 is forever. I don't think "gay" is an example of politically correct.

I also think that using "quotes" "gratuitously" is "overboard" which is a "word" that does not mean what it used to.

Fag used to mean a cigarette, or smoke. "Smoke" used to mean actual smoke until the damn smokers hijacked it.

"text" used to mean the actual text. Now it is a verb.

Turns out that language evolves and this is unstoppable. No one has shanghaied your favorite word, it just happens without malice.

The notion that language is immutable is a new one to me. I suppose Hagel and other philosophers tried to assign actual value to language and failed so i suspect a yearning to keep the gay in gay is doomed as well.

People talk, definitions change. Language is a purely manmade thing. Words mean whatever people think they do.

[Guest pfries]

For a lot of people 1950 is forever. I don't think "gay" is an example of politically correct.

I also think that using "quotes" "gratuitously" is "overboard" which is a "word" that does not mean what it used to.

Fag used to mean a cigarette, or smoke. "Smoke" used to mean actual smoke until the damn smokers hijacked it.

"text" used to mean the actual text. Now it is a verb.

Turns out that language evolves and this is unstoppable. No one has shanghaied your favorite word, it just happens without malice.

The notion that language is immutable is a new one to me. I suppose Hagel and other philosophers tried to assign actual value to language and failed so i suspect a yearning to keep the gay in gay is doomed as well.

People talk, definitions change. Language is a purely manmade thing. Words mean whatever people think they do.

This post makes me gay (happy), I think I will have a fag (smoke) now.

But for a correction

Fag was a bundle of sticks befor it ment a smoke

Fagg0t was the boy that was paid to fetch said sticks

Edited February 1, 2012 by pfries

[mikegideon]

Like it or not I have to stand behind someone that stands up for their beliefs no matter the cost. This is a core principle behind my own views and what I believe this country was founded on. Weather she is right or wrong that type of decision is up to her, whether it gains her success or causes failure. I do not have to like, agree with, or understand, I do have to accept that this is how she feels and in this case wishes to run her business. If I find myself in the area, I may even darken her doorway.

Just my 2 cents

What he said

[mikegideon]

This post makes me gay (happy), I think I will have a fag (smoke) now.

But for a correction

Fag was a bundle of sticks befor it ment a smoke

Fagg0t was the boy that was paid to fetch said sticks

Nice little sidestep around the filter

[Guest pfries]

Yeah first time I have had to deal with it in just over 1000 posts... guess I can bite my tongue lol

[daddyo]

I don't think a word can be misused... A word is a word, it means whatever we want it to. Words change over time, it's the natural progression of language.

I believe that's kinda what Al Gore said about the Constitution. It's also the foundation for some believing that it's outdated, particularly the Second Amendment.

[daddyo]

Gay has meant "gay" forever

If you mean that "gay" has always meant "homosexual", then you would be wrong, padawan.

How did you arrive at 1950 being "forever"?

Edited February 1, 2012 by DaddyO

[Oh Shoot]

I'll say this for ole Stacey...

Just sent the email through TFA site regarding the parking lot bill, and got what certainly seem like a personally written response back from him...at 10:30 pm. He's all for it, of course, has tried to get it cranking in the past.

I got a response this afternoon a couple of hours after sending. Very personal response.

Well, looks like it it is "canned", but apparently not sent out by bot, but by real humanoid, maybe even Stacey himself. Maybe an aide. Mine came in less than 15 min. Same as mentioned in this thread though: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/68572-employee-safe-commute-parking-lot-campaign.html#post857759

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"You don't have to worry about me. I have been pushing this legislation for years and for a long time was the only sponsor in the senate. I will vote to move this legislation forward with the fewest restraints on your constitutional rights as possible.

Yours in service,

Sen. Stacey Campfield"

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I've received no other response, canned or otherwise, from the 27 other legislators this was sent to.

- OS

[R_Bert]

well, this is special....

Anyone hear the radio interview mentioned ? -

Camp4u: Klan good, Stacey bad.

[Guest bkelm18]

well, this is special....

Anyone hear the radio interview mentioned ? -

Camp4u: Klan good, Stacey bad.

Now that, was stupid of her to say.

[daddyo]

So, the restaurant owner can tolerate racial bigotry and hatred, but can't tolerate someone who holds different views on homosexuality. Amazing.

There really is no accounting for stupid.

[R_Bert]

Now that, was stupid of her to say.

Yup. It just became a civil rights issue by her admission of discrimination.

Edited February 1, 2012 by R_Bert

[jtmaze]

Well, looks like it it is "canned", but apparently not sent out by bot, but by real humanoid, maybe even Stacey himself. Maybe an aide. Mine came in less than 15 min. Same as mentioned in this thread though: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/68572-employee-safe-commute-parking-lot-campaign.html#post857759

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"You don't have to worry about me. I have been pushing this legislation for years and for a long time was the only sponsor in the senate. I will vote to move this legislation forward with the fewest restraints on your constitutional rights as possible.

Yours in service,

Sen. Stacey Campfield"

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I've received no other response, canned or otherwise, from the 27 other legislators this was sent to.

- OS

I got several. One from Lowe Finney(wife went to HS with him so she can drop him a personal one. It was more like I haven't read this bill yet but I will and view it in our best interest.

JTM🔫

Sent from my iPhone

[East_TN_Patriot]

Interesting to see how folks don't have a problem broadcasting their political views, but get all wound up when someone with opposing views does the same. The owners of the Bistro have the right to do what they did. I wonder how many of you would do the same if Obama or Sarah Brady walked into a business you owned.