What Really Happened in the Gringrich ethics case ?

[E4 No More]

No, I'm saying what Ive said countless times before - I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.

Spin that however you wish.

It's not "spin" it's simple logic and how we end up with Obama to begin with. We have a two party system, (yes, I hate that little fact too), and the "My guy isn't running so I'm not voting for either of them" mentality is what costs us elections to the dark side.

[G27]

It's not "spin" it's simple logic and how we end up with Obama to begin with. We have a two party system, (yes, I hate that little fact too), and the "My guy isn't running so I'm not voting for either of them" mentality is what costs us elections to the dark side.

Sure it's spin. I can play, too: people who continue voting - as sheep with a herd mentality - for the most likely to win instead of who they truly believe is the best candidate are why our country is in the crapper.

See how easy that is?

I'm voting for who I think is the BEST choice, period - matters not what 'ticket' he is on. If everyone voted this way we'd be a lot better off. Instead, we have the repubs constantly promoting idiots who aren't far removed from our current president (see #43, as well as McCain in 2008) and like good little sheep the voters, fearing what might happen if the other guy wins, line up and dutifully vote who they're told is 'electable'.

[mikegideon]

10-4 on McCain being an idiot

[Guest Tusculum]

I like old Newt, Always have, I remember when he was speaker and trying to trim the budget. He suggested Limiting funds to Public Broadcasting. GawdO Mighty, The left news agencies got on that like white on rice. It was one of those "What about the children" battle cries. The biggest thing on PBS was The Jim Leare (sp) news hour. The biggest left wing news broadcast that was constantly bashing the repubs. One smart assed news reporter was interviewing Newt asked(Well where will PBS gets its money if your going to cut their funding) Newt just calmly stated, Let them sell advertising like any other TV network. I loved that. Ill back him 100% and have no problem voting for him. Thanks, Jack

[JAB]

Sure it's spin. I can play, too: people who continue voting - as sheep with a herd mentality - for the most likely to win instead of who they truly believe is the best candidate are why our country is in the crapper.

And it is also why the 'one who is most likely to win' is the 'one who is most likely to win' - because people believe the nonsense that they should vote for 'the one most likely to win.' It doesn't have to be a forgone conclusion but, because people buy the story, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[E4 No More]

Sure it's spin. I can play, too: people who continue voting - as sheep with a herd mentality - for the most likely to win instead of who they truly believe is the best candidate are why our country is in the crapper.

See how easy that is?

I'm voting for who I think is the BEST choice, period - matters not what 'ticket' he is on. If everyone voted this way we'd be a lot better off. Instead, we have the repubs constantly promoting idiots who aren't far removed from our current president (see #43, as well as McCain in 2008) and like good little sheep the voters, fearing what might happen if the other guy wins, line up and dutifully vote who they're told is 'electable'.

Nope, I disgree, but that would derail the thread now wouldn't it?

[mikegideon]

Nope, I disgree, but that would derail the thread now wouldn't it?

Derailing threads is what we do best

[E4 No More]

Derailing threads is what we do best

True, but I don't want the mods to get their panties in a bunch.

[mikegideon]

True, but I don't want the mods to get their panties in a bunch.

I think they gave up. May even participate sometimes.

[mcurrier]

I'm hoping for a brokered convention, with none of the above being drafted.

- OS

That'd be great...but will NEVER happen unfortunately.

[mcurrier]

I prefer neither, but at least Mitt appears - superficially at least) to be a man of some character.

I'll vote for neither.

I hope you are talking about voting for neither in Primary voting.

Unfortunately when it comes down to the general election, we gotta pick a dog whether we like him or not, otherwise it's just a default vote for the incumbent.

The perfectly holy candidate will never be, we just need to incrementally keep voting for those who will move us in the correct direction little by little. If another Ronald Reagan comes along in my lifetime I'd be surprised.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Totally agree with mcurrier.

There are several pieces written the last few days really giving differing points of view about Newt. I like

Ann Coulter and her wit, but she tears him apart in Human Events. There is so much spin going on right

now in the Republican camp, it's making me sick. I haven't changed my mind about Newt, but there are

points of view I haven't been aware of. Drudgereport has several links.

Glenn Beck says Newt is a progressive. I like Beck, too, and he may be right. Newt is an arrogant ,very

narcissistic, skilled politician with a hot temper, but he is a viable candidate who can do the job. He can

turn on and off like a light bulb. Maybe not a good trait to have, but compared to Romney, I'd take him

in a heartbeat. Look what the alternative is: Communism.

May never be like mcurrier says about the perfect candidate again in our lifetimes, but you have to work

toward the goal.

[G27]

I hope you are talking about voting for neither in Primary voting.

Unfortunately when it comes down to the general election, we gotta pick a dog whether we like him or not, otherwise it's just a default vote for the incumbent.

The perfectly holy candidate will never be, we just need to incrementally keep voting for those who will move us in the correct direction little by little. If another Ronald Reagan comes along in my lifetime I'd be surprised.

I simply disagree - we've had a succession of awful presidents because people only vote what their party tells them to.

I refuse to vote for someone I wouldn't want as president (or any other office) any more. Never again. Whatever happens, happens, but it won't be the fault of those of us who are actually trying to vote for the best candidate instead of who has the 'best chance of beating the other guy'. That's precisely what's gotten us to where we are today.

And I never said anything about the 'perfect holy candidate' - no point in building a straw man here, I'll simply cast my vote for the person I think is the best choice.

Now those who are 'party' voters go ahead and, utilizing pretzel logic, blame the voters who actually cast their vote for the BEST candidate instead of the masses who simply vote as they're told to (virtually always voting for someone they know isn't a good choice, but is indeed the lesser of two evils)...

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If Obama gets re-elected, votes may not matter again.

[Guest ThePunisher]

If you were totally shocked the American electorate could and would elect Obama as President, what makes anyone think the American electorate will not vote for Obama again. The nation went to war with the Jihad Islamic terrorist after 9/11, and yet this nation elects a person of Muslim heritage with a Marxist background just like his father only 7 years later. If the people of this country were stupid enough to vote for Barrack Hussein Obama in 2008, what makes you think the majority of the people have awakened from their stupidity.

Get ready for 4 more years of American transformation. I'm not convinced that the people have learned anything that will thwart this Marxist commie from destroying America.

[leroy]

Crimson makes a great point in the post above (...post #38, and others...). I think that one of the things that is happening this time in the republican primary is that the "rank and file" republican voters are revolting and the inside the beltway bluenoses are upset about it. I think that is a good thing. The establishment republican operatives better be careful here, or they will consign themselves to the scrap heap of history and will morph into the demorat party. The ground is fertile for a genuine conservative party that believes in smaller government, that the constitution means exactly what it says, and that work is honorable. Folks are tired of being put upon by both parties.

leroy

[mav]

Now those who are 'party' voters go ahead and, utilizing pretzel logic, blame the voters who actually cast their vote for the BEST candidate instead of the masses who simply vote as they're told to (virtually always voting for someone they know isn't a good choice, but is indeed the lesser of two evils)...

I have admitted that I will vote for whoever ends up the Republican nominee. What can I say? I'm too scared to stand by my principles. I'm not going to lie about it. Regardless, you bring up a point I would like to address. It absolutely kills me when I hear some make claims that those who vote third party don't care about their country and such. Personally, I think it is the exact opposite. If anyone is to blame for allowing the greater of evils to be elected, it is the very ones who voted for them. I find it very disheartening that people don't understand that, and instead try to lay blame on those who stood by their principles.

Ohshoot, so you are now hoping for a brokered convention? I am as well. I stated last week that I would like to see one with someone like DeMint selected to run on the GOP ticket. I have noticed the past couple of days that there is increasing chatter among various individuals wishing for such a scenario. I think the chances of it actually happening is slim to none.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I have admitted that I will vote for whoever ends up the Republican nominee. What can I say? I'm too scared to stand by my principles. I'm not going to lie about it. Regardless, you bring up a point I would like to address. It absolutely kills me when I hear some make claims that those who vote third party don't care about their country and such. Personally, I think it is the exact opposite. If anyone is to blame for allowing the greater of evils to be elected, it is the very ones who voted for them. I find it very disheartening that people don't understand that, and instead try to lay blame on those who stood by their principles.

Ohshoot, so you are now hoping for a brokered convention? I am as well. I stated last week that I would like to see one with someone like DeMint selected to run on the GOP ticket. I have noticed the past couple of days that there is increasing chatter among various individuals wishing for such a scenario. I think the chances of it actually happening is slim to none.

You're not compromising YOUR principles, mav. You just see the writing on the wall. We agree so much

it's ridiculous, sometimes, and I predict that your thoughts are to see another day and fight a better fight,

like mine are. I don't consider that a compromise. Others compromised in ways we had no control of.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

As far as Newt goes, it's interesting seeing who defends and who bashes him, pundit-wise. Rush and

Michael Reagan are defending Newt and criticizing Romney for his smear campaign while Ann Coulter,

Beck and Krauthammer are trashing him. It is an indicator of where the pundits stand in the Republican

political structure. I am surprised about Ann Coulter but not Krauthammer. They are all smart people

but I'll come closer to believing Rush. If you actually listen to him and absorb what he says about

someone he usually ends up way ahead of the curve over the rest of the crowd.

Michael Reagan is another Rush, in my mind. I don't get to hear him often, but when he shows up on

someone's show, he is very conservative and consistent, like his father. I don't know where I was

going with this except to observe the different viewpoints in the Republican Party. There does appear

to be a revolt between the elites(Rockefellers) and the conservative(Goldwaters) and it will eventually

pay dividends. The process is still healthy. You just have to pay more attention sometimes.

[Moped]

I will vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination, for one reason only. Yes I am a one issue voter. I will vote for the Republican Nominee because whoever becomes the next President will have the chance to seat 2 to 4 Supreme Court Justices and I would like those Justices to have a conservative bent. I don't see Obama nominating someone like that.

[kieefer]

As far as Newt goes, it's interesting seeing who defends and who bashes him, pundit-wise. Rush and

Michael Reagan are defending Newt and criticizing Romney for his smear campaign while Ann Coulter,

Beck and Krauthammer are trashing him. It is an indicator of where the pundits stand in the Republican

political structure. I am surprised about Ann Coulter but not Krauthammer. They are all smart people

but I'll come closer to believing Rush. If you actually listen to him and absorb what he says about

someone he usually ends up way ahead of the curve over the rest of the crowd.

Michael Reagan is another Rush, in my mind. I don't get to hear him often, but when he shows up on

someone's show, he is very conservative and consistent, like his father. I don't know where I was

going with this except to observe the different viewpoints in the Republican Party. There does appear

to be a revolt between the elites(Rockefellers) and the conservative(Goldwaters) and it will eventually

pay dividends. The process is still healthy. You just have to pay more attention sometimes.

+1.

It's politics, maybe this is the way it's always been, everyone has to bash the favorite except when it comes to the one they want.

Rush's take that you mentioned -

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/26/coordinated_avalanche_against_newt_doesn_t_match_my_memory_of_reagan_years

Levin is defending him as well and HE was there along with Jeffrey Lord -

http://spectator.org/people/jeffrey-lord/all

At this point I'm like a RP voter, I don't care what comes out against him, we have to circle around someone despite their warts, right now Newt is the best bet.

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[mikegideon]

Newt is a little scary, but that's probably just what the doctor ordered. There will be lots of blood on the walls, most of it necessary.

[Oh Shoot]

That'd be great...but will NEVER happen unfortunately.

Probably not, but there seems to be a better chance this year that neither Mitt or Newt will have the delegates by convention time than any time since 1976.

I remember that pretty well -- neither Ford or Reagan had the delegates from the primaries. But Ford did squeak by on first ballot, so it didn't quite go into it.

- OS

[Guest ThePunisher]

If Nancy Pelosi and the left don't like Newt, then I'm for him. I really believe that the Dems want to go up against Romney, and are really scared of Gingrinch just like they were in the 90's. Clinton gets credit for welfare reform and balanced budgets, but it was b/c of Gingrinch and the R's conservative policies.

Reagan and Gingrinch have been villifed by the left more than any republicans in history because of their conservative policies that made America more prosperous than ever after the dismal days of Carter. They villified Reaganomics, and his defense buildup that crushed the Soviets. The left hate to admit that tax cuts increase treasury revenues for the country.

Only with Gingrinch's agenda of conservative policy making can America reverse course from Obama's Marxism/Socialism transformation. That is real scary for the Dems.

[Oh Shoot]

I will vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination, for one reason only. Yes I am a one issue voter. I will vote for the Republican Nominee because whoever becomes the next President will have the chance to seat 2 to 4 Supreme Court Justices and I would like those Justices to have a conservative bent. I don't see Obama nominating someone like that.

Very important point.

Other important point to Crimson et al, who are sick of perpetuating "the system": Guys, you're right. That's how I felt last election and voted Libertarian. But more than any other election in my lifetime except for LBJ, and even MORE than LBJ, this sitting president must be stopped! He's unprecedented in scope. He's the Prince of Freaking Darkness. He's Evil, truly Evil in the sense of any way you choose to define Evil.

Last election, third party votes didn't matter in TN. I hope they don't matter this time, if TN stays good and red, but I urge everyone not to chance that in the general. I may well not even vote in the primary, but urge everyone to vote for the GOP nominee, whoever he is, in the general.

- OS