Ron Paul Gets Ignored By The Media Again!

[mav]

Sounds as though RP is getting all the coverage he wants tonight in Myrtle Beach..sounds like more boos than yeas from his foreign policy comments.

- OS

Yep, he was having one of cringe-worthy moments that I have talked about in the past. I believe he lost some voters (fence-sitters) this evening on his lack of being able to coherently explain his position. I will admit that if I didn't know what his foreign policy views were beforehand I would have been very confused this evening. Some points were made clear, but others came across as weak and/or rambling. Nonetheless, I will still be voting for him on Super Tuesday primarily for his economic/domestic views, which he does a much better job explaining.

In regards to the Robert's initial question as to why Paul didn't attend Huckabee's, who AR correctly pointed out isn't a conservative, debate the other evening, I have no idea why he didn't attend. Personally, I don't really care, but there again, I was never one complaining that Paul wasn't getting adequate attention from the media.

[kieefer]

Yep, he was having one of cringe-worthy moments that I have talked about in the past. I believe he lost some voters (fence-sitters) this evening on his lack of being able to coherently explain his position. I will admit that if I didn't know what his foreign policy views were beforehand I would have been very confused this evening. Some points were made clear, but others came across as weak and/or rambling. Nonetheless, I will still be voting for him on Super Tuesday primarily for his economic/domestic views, which he does a much better job explaining.

In regards to the Robert's initial question as to why Paul didn't attend Huckabee's, who AR correctly pointed out isn't a conservative, debate the other evening, I have no idea why he didn't attend. Personally, I don't really care, but there again, I was never one complaining that Paul wasn't getting adequate attention from the media.

That is what digs me, he spouts off all kind of ideas and why we are in this or that but in the end he can't make the case of how he could change it. During an exchange he boils up like he's going to explode all the while his voice changes, arms waving.

That's another reason people don't take him seriously, forget his foreign policy, add his age to this and the image of him doing the State of the Union and he falls apart as presidential material.

Maybe that's also why he's not taking every opportunity to be in the limelight?

[Guest SW9VEman]

I found this on Weasel Zippers

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been spending large amounts on airfare as a congressman, flying first class on dozens of taxpayer-funded flights to his home state. The practice conflicts with the image that Paul portrays as the only presidential candidate serious about cutting federal spending.

His congressional staff says Paul chose not to buy the cheaper economy tickets at a fraction of the price because they aren’t refundable or as flexible for scheduling.

An AP review of Paul’s congressional expenses and average airfares found that Paul charged taxpayers nearly $52,000 on the more expensive tickets, or $27,621 more than the average Continental airfare for the flights between Washington and Houston.

Paul portrays himself as the most frugal and serious deficit hawk in the race.

"Then again, this is the same guy who loads spending bills with earmark pork for his district, then votes against the bills knowing they would pass regardless."

Those statements do make me wonder..

1. The man returns about $100,000 a year of unspent money. Name me anyone else in Congress that does this.

2. The man is using the Government rates which saves money if he had to cancel and reschedule hos flight.

[Guest FroggyOne2]

I was just saying that I found that on that site.. it did make me wonder the thruth to it.. but I have to ask, do you have any proof to your statement?

[kieefer]

Heard Hannity say today that he has asked RP to come on his show several times and he continues to turn him down.

RP has nobody but himself to blame for not giving his supporters face time.

[Guest SW9VEman]

I was just saying that I found that on that site.. it did make me wonder the thruth to it.. but I have to ask, do you have any proof to your statement?

Lawrence O'Donnell(who really does not like Paul much) debunk this article on his show.

Ron Paul flying first class for congressional trips? - Video on mnsbc.com

On his returning of money (edit for some reason the amount on the link is weird)

Ron Paul returns over 0,000 from his office budget to the U.S. Treasury | Independent Voter Network

Edited January 19, 2012 by SW9VEman

[Erik88]

I'm proud to say I'm mailing in my vote today for Ron Paul. You guys are kidding yourself if you think any of the other candidates will make a difference. Until we elect someone who is different than the norm we will never see any real changes IMO.

[Guest A10thunderbolt]

I am for Ron Paul because he is the only one who has a solid belief system where he doesnt change what he believes in day to day. He cant hurt us any more than the others.

[RobertNashville]

I not only agree but support the concept that each person should support whatever candidate they feel deserves that support in the primary.

I think RP would likely be a good president but I think any of the candidates still in the field would be light-years better than the socialist who currently occupies the oval office and should we be unfortunate enough that he wins a second term, I truly believe that our country, as we know it, will truly be lost forever...this election is an election about saving our country from people who truly hate our country and want to see it destroyed...these people want a socialist state...they want our economy to collapse.

Getting back to the actual subject of the thread...I do feel that RP purposely bypasses major opportunities for media exposure but I don't understand why. Maybe doing so is a smart move (or maybe at least that's what his staff/he believes)....I do wonder though how it is that so many of RP's die-hard supporters keep saying that RP doesn't get the same media coverage as "Newt" or "Mit", etc when RP seems to bypass opportunities.

[Oh Shoot]

I doubt Perry ducking out will bump RP any to speak of, either; likely bump Sanctitorum some.

Christian fundamentalists don't truck with legalized drugs and prostitution.

- OS

[kieefer]

What is it 5% that Perry had? I'll bet it won't go to mittens or rupaul for sure.

BTW, Rupaul has always had an open invitation on the Mark Levin Show. (Mark would rip him a new one )

[Wyldk2]

What is it 5% that Perry had? I'll bet it won't go to mittens or rupaul for sure.

BTW, Rupaul has always had an open invitation on the Mark Levin Show. (Mark would rip him a new one )

In that annoying nasally voice, i might add. Listen, Mark Levine and the rest of the statist loving media outlets can bash ron Paul all they want. Slowly day by day people are waking up to the truth. People who are accustomed to their comfortable way of life, with the power they have, are scared s******* of the Truth. They will do everything in their power to make Ron Paul look like a fool. I remember back during the last presidential run, they seemed to laugh at Ron paul, Some even went as far as to fight what he stands for. Now they are ignoring him, and when everyone sees the lies the others have hiding in their closets, He has a chance at winning. Which in turn will be a win for the rest of us on the low end of the totem pole.

No matter if Ron Paul wind or loses, the message of liberty is getting out there. I doubt if any of the other candidates really cares as much about our rights as Ron Paul.

I don't agree with every single thing Ron is for but i definately don't agree with anything those running against him are for.

[RobertNashville]

There may be som

[Guest lostpass]

I don't agree with every single thing Ron is for but i definately don't agree with anything those running against him are for.

That's the thing, it is hard to tell what those running against them are really for (except getting elected). I see Ron Paul as a hypocritical loon but the only transparent option around. I've had enough of voting for smarter people to make decisions for me so I'm voting for the option that I can can count on. Sure, I disagree a lot but at least I know what he is going to do. Everyone else, you can't really tell.

[Oh Shoot]

I about decided to bag the primary, y'all decide.

But I'll wait till the general to vote for Romney, don't wanna gag myself twice.

- OS

[Wyldk2]

I have heard rumors( don't take my word for it) that if Ron paul loses the primary, he'll go Independent. which in turn will hurt the republicans.

I don't like Obama. those thinking they voted for "change" well i guess you got a big suprise when he turned out to be about as bad as the last presidential mistake.

And if you think Romney is better, the "Obama care" plan was modeled after "Romney care".

Not every one candidate is perfect, not one man can actually change anything by himself. It's the rest of those idiots in congress and the senate that can't agree. It should be for the benefit of the country, not the benefit of those in power's pockets.

I support Ron paul mainly because if a new resolution or bill violates the constitution, he'll say "no" to the bill. Hence he's called "Dr.No".

[mav]

I have heard rumors( don't take my word for it) that if Ron paul loses the primary, he'll go Independent. which in turn will hurt the republicans.

Sources?

The only people I hear talking about Paul running third party are the right-wing news media and Ron Paul die-hards. I don't hear anything from the Paul campaign. Paul isn't going to run third party. He knows he is a longshot to win the Republican nomination, and he would have even a smaller chance of winning the presidency on a third party ticket. I think is staying in the race to continue to push his ideas of free markets and liberty.

[RobertNashville]

Sources?

The only people I hear talking about Paul running third party are the right-wing news media and Ron Paul die-hards. I don't hear anything from the Paul campaign. Paul isn't going to run third party. He knows he is a longshot to win the Republican nomination, and he would have even a smaller chance of winning the presidency on a third party ticket. I think is staying in the race to continue to push his ideas of free markets and liberty.

Actually, "the right-wing news media" talk about it because he has been asked point-blank if he will run on a third-party ticket if he doesn't win the Republican nomination and he has refused to answer.

I don't know about you but for me, anytime a politician won't answer a question you can pretty much guarantee its' becasue he knows that the answer won't be well received by the people who's votes he is trying to court..

[Oh Shoot]

Sources?

The only people I hear talking about Paul running third party are the right-wing news media and Ron Paul die-hards. I don't hear anything from the Paul campaign. Paul isn't going to run third party. He knows he is a longshot to win the Republican nomination, and he would have even a smaller chance of winning the presidency on a third party ticket. I think is staying in the race to continue to push his ideas of free markets and liberty.

If he dumps out of GOP ticket he won't pick up any more delegates; he's stated that he's in it all the way to the convention to use what leverage he can get on platform with the delegates he wins before he frees them. So if indeed he does a third party, it would be after that, and I don't think he can get on many state ballots by then.

Then again, I believe Libertarian Party is already on all 50 ballots this year; their convention is in May, don't know how that could exactly work with GOP convention in Aug.

- OS

Edited January 20, 2012 by OhShoot

[RobertNashville]

If he dumps out of GOP ticket he won't pick up any more delegates; he's stated that he's in it all the way to the convention to use what leverage he can get on platform with the delegates he wins before he frees them. So if indeed he does a third party, it would be after that, and I don't think he can get on many state ballots by then.

Then again, I believe Libertarian Party is already on all 50 ballots this year; their convention is in May, don't know how that could exactly work with GOP convention in Aug.

- OS

He can stay in through the convention and still run third-party; that only thing that can truly stop that is Ron Paul deciding not to do it which is why, I find it troubling that he won't answer one way or the other.

I find it disingenuous of him to be running for the "R" nomination in the first place as I believe he does so only to take advantage of the Republican machine/structure/primary process, etc...he knows he would never get any real coverage from any news outlet if he ran as a Libertarian yet it seems to me that even though he identifies himself as a Republican, his positions on most issues are in reality, much more closely aligned with libertarian positions than Republican.

[Oh Shoot]

He can stay in through the convention and still run third-party...

As I understand it, though, he couldn't get on many state ballots that late, maybe on none? Which would make it purely a write-in campaign. Which I guess could still siphon enough votes to hand it to Obama. If it's as close as Bush/Gore, might would take only one state to swing it the other way.

- OS

[mav]

Then again, I believe Libertarian Party is already on all 50 ballots this year; their convention is in May, don't know how that could exactly work with GOP convention in Aug.

- OS

He won't be able to run on the Libertarian ticket. Gary Johnson already has that spot.

[Oh Shoot]

He won't be able to run on the Libertarian ticket. Gary Johnson already has that spot.

Not unless/until their convention nominates him. He's not even touted on their site yet, not even mentioned on front page. You can find a page where he's welcomed to the party and the race for the nomination. Pretty tepid, too.

http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-welcome-governor-gary-johnson-to-party-presidential-race

If RP decided to go that way before May I'd say they'd gladly make him the candidate, maybe offer Johnson the running mate position.

- OS

Edited January 20, 2012 by OhShoot

[RobertNashville]

Not unless/until their convention nominates him. He's not even touted on their site yet, not even mentioned on front page. You can find a page where he's welcomed to the party and the race for the nomination. Pretty tepid, too.

Libertarians Welcome Governor Gary Johnson to Party, Presidential Race | Libertarian Party

If RP decided to go that way before May I'd say they'd gladly make him the candidate, maybe offer Johnson the running mate position.

- OS

Most certainly, running formally as the "Libertarian" candidate would be his best shot at getting on the ballots and getting votes; however, I don't think that would be his ultimate motivation.

If he runs "third-party", Libertarian or otherwise, I would submit he'll be doing it to make a statement or, as I personally think, to stroke his ego (as he would have to know that will not and can not win the election). If, indeed, making a statement (or ego) is his motivation then he doesn't need to do that running formally as the "Libertarian" candidate.

Edited January 20, 2012 by RobertNashville

[Oh Shoot]

He really doesn't need to run on the Libertarian ticket.

If he runs "third-party", Libertarian or otherwise, I would submit he'll be doing it to make a statement (as he would have to know that will not and can not win the election and if, indeed, making a statement is his desire he doesn't need to do that running formally as the "Libertarian" candidate.

He would make a larger statement by getting a LOT more votes if he were actually on all the ballots with LP instead of as a write-in. Could become one of the GOP's most hated men in history of America, even.

I might well hate him myself.

- OS