The Choice

[QuietDan]

The Choice - HUMAN EVENTS

Pretty much the only Pro- Second Amendment candidate out there.

Edited January 10, 2012 by QuietDan

[Oh Shoot]

The Choice - HUMAN EVENTS

Pretty much the only Pro- Second Amendment candidate out there.

Yeah, but then we'd have the only politician in all of Texas that's dumber than Dubya for prez. Must be a prerequisite for governor out there.

But hey, that may be what the people want. I guess he'd carry Texas for sure, though.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Now, now. He ain't much in front of the camera. Texas ain't doing too bad under his

redneck reign, though. I don't know if that equates to being a good President, but I'd

take him, considering the other choices. Adequate, just not much of a debater.

I remember my first time behind a podium. Stage fright to say the least. I still don't like

it and I wouldn't want to be a politician because of it. I got okay talking to a crowd

eventually. My experience was recruiting in sales. Not fun at all.

[Oh Shoot]

Now, now. He ain't much in front of the camera. Texas ain't doing too bad under his

redneck reign, though. I don't know if that equates to being a good President, but I'd

take him, considering the other choices. Adequate, just not much of a debater.

I remember my first time behind a podium. Stage fright to say the least. I still don't like

it and I wouldn't want to be a politician because of it. I got okay talking to a crowd

eventually. My experience was recruiting in sales. Not fun at all.

All true, but I'm frigging embarrassed to have him in the running, can't help it.

- OS

[kieefer]

All true, but I'm frigging embarrassed to have him in the running, can't help it.

- OS

Could there be someone running that you are not completely embarrassed of?

[Oh Shoot]

Could there be someone running that you are not completely embarrassed of?

Well, that's a good point. But ya got to admit that Mitt is sharp. A phony but perfect pol with a fake laugh and polyester hair, a world class huckster. But sharp.

Newt is sharp too, but schizoid. He's his own good cop bad cop.

- OS

[kieefer]

Well, that's a good point. But ya got to admit that Mitt is sharp. A phony but perfect pol with a fake laugh and polyester hair, a world class huckster. But sharp. Newt is sharp too, but schizoid. He's his own good cop bad cop.- OS

Sounds like you pegged him pretty well. I imagine most voters feel the say way, style over substance.

Hey, didn't BHO get elected on the same criteria?

Edited January 10, 2012 by kieefer
deja vu

[QuietDan]

Lived the last five years in Texas. Pretty fine state. Good laws. Lots of JOBS. Governor Perry's set the tone for Texas' success.

But . . . he's not a smooth debater. Yeah, we're all pretty shallow, so let's cut off our noses to spite our faces.

We're gonna get national level pols we deserve. Shame on us.

[Oh Shoot]

Sounds like you pegged him pretty well. I imagine most voters feel the say way, style over substance.

Hey, didn't BHO get elected on the same criteria?

Well, title of this thread is The Choice. And that's Mitt or Barack.

I actually think Mitt might do as okay as any prez could possibly do anymore. He'll at least take a stab at something to address our many probs; and since I truly believe he NOT out to "fundamentally change America", he certainty can't do worse. Hell, I may toss him some shekels once he sews up the nomination.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

[Jonnin]

The GOP allows states that should have next to zero input vote for nomination. The GOP choice will be the one that got a lot of votes in CA, NY, IL, etc and then that candidate will not carry those states but will be a less conservative choice due to the tainted primary process. If a state has not swung for the GOP in the last 5 elections, they should not contribute to the primary, IMHO.

[LagerHead]

The Choice - HUMAN EVENTS

Pretty much the only Pro- Second Amendment candidate out there.

Um, you forgot about Ron Paul. He not only believes in the 2nd, but the 1st and 3rd through 27th as well. There is not a single candidate out there that even comes close to being half as constitutionally minded as Paul. It's like pitting Jerry Rice vs. the fat kid in your 4th grade class in a football catching competition.

[kieefer]

Um, you forgot about Ron Paul. He not only believes in the 2nd, but the 1st and 3rd through 27th as well. There is not a single candidate out there that even comes close to being half as constitutionally minded as Paul. It's like pitting Jerry Rice vs. the fat kid in your 4th grade class in a football catching competition.

Doesn't matter.

According to a recent Gallup poll;

Mitt Romney is the now the only candidate that a majority of conservative and moderate/liberal Republicans nationwide see as an “acceptable” GOP nominee for president. Conservative Republicans are more likely to say Romney would be an acceptable nominee than either Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum.

RP is below Perry and slightly above Huntsman in this poll but now that Chris Matthews has supported Huntsman he may just move ahead of the pack.

We'll see what NH thinks about RP later tonight.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Um. What was that third talking point, again?

Sadly, I think his lack of ability to handle the debates really did sink this fellow.

[kieefer]

The Choice - HUMAN EVENTS

Pretty much the only Pro- Second Amendment candidate out there.

I like him, I admired his insistency during the debates to keep the focus on the economy and the urgent need to become oil independent. He has some good ideas but as soon as the media painted him as Bush-lite and then after his brain freeze I knew he wouldn't go far.

The fix is in for Romney but he'd be just as good as any of them. I think he's better looking than Romney, has a genuine laugh and his grades might not be as good as Rom's but I'm sure there better than BHO's.

[Guest bkelm18]

The GOP allows states that should have next to zero input vote for nomination. The GOP choice will be the one that got a lot of votes in CA, NY, IL, etc and then that candidate will not carry those states but will be a less conservative choice due to the tainted primary process. If a state has not swung for the GOP in the last 5 elections, they should not contribute to the primary, IMHO.

Yes, screw those guys. Citizens who live in liberal states should not have the right to vote for a conservative president.

[mav]

Well, title of this thread is The Choice. And that's Mitt or Barack.

I actually think Mitt might do as okay as any prez could possibly do anymore. He'll at least take a stab at something to address our many probs; and since I truly believe he NOT out to "fundamentally change America", he certainty can't do worse. Hell, I may toss him some shekels once he sews up the nomination.

- OS

You seem to have accepted the fact that it will be Mitt vs. Obama in the general. I am not going to debate that prediction, but what I am curious about is who you are planning to vote for in the primary since, as you have said in the past, primaries are for voting principles (paraphrasing). If you don't really like Romney, do you plan on voting for him in the primary? Throw a name out there.

[Oh Shoot]

You seem to have accepted the fact that it will be Mitt vs. Obama in the general. I am not going to debate that prediction, but what I am curious about is who you are planning to vote for in the primary since, as you have said in the past, primaries are for voting principles (paraphrasing). If you don't really like Romney, do you plan on voting for him in the primary? Throw a name out there.

Oh, I'll probably vote for Paul in the primary. I'm right in there for the non-loon parts of him. Hell, I figure half right he's better than the rest, and hopefully a GOP controlled House AND senate would run with the good half and umm, temper the other.

Maybe it'll help get him to the convention with enough pull to influence the party planks a little, maybe squeak out a promise from Mitt he'll need to live up to or something. Which is really what Paul has pretty much admitted as his realistic objective.

- OS

Edited January 11, 2012 by OhShoot

[Moped]

Could there be someone running that you are not completely embarrassed of?

Speaking for myself, not really. I think it's a weak field. I'm not sure that there is one in the field that could debate with Obama, with the exception of Gingrich and he has a lot of baggage.

[mav]

Maybe it'll help get him to the convention with enough pull to influence the party planks a little, maybe squeak out a promise from Mitt he'll need to live up to or something. Which is really what Paul has pretty much admitted as his realistic objective.

That is a very important point, and it was one I was making to one of our salesmen today who was a Santorum supporter. I will admit that Paul is a longshot to win the GOP nomination. I won't say he can't win because very few things in life are certain. I hope he continues racking up delegates.

As I was watching the results of the NH primary come in, I caught both Romney's and Paul's speech to supporters. One thing I picked up during both speeches was the style and delivery of both candidates towards their supporters. In Mitt's presentation, they brought out two telepromters and Mitt ended up delivering a fine speech to his supporters. I sort of chuckled at the begining because it made me think of Obama and his frequent use of the teleprompter.

One of the things I really liked about the Paul speech was he came on stage and winged it. I have never been one to convery a whole lot of emotion, but I will admit that I got little excited while listening to his speech. I was in awe of how Paul is so unlike the typical politician because he truly believes what he is saying and he has such passion for it. Whether people agree with him or not, that is a very admirable quality.

[Oh Shoot]

... I was in awe of how Paul is so unlike the typical politician because he truly believes what he is saying and he has such passion for it. Whether people agree with him or not, that is a very admirable quality.

I wish he could have gotten to this point of influence in his 50's. Or 60's. Might have been a significantly different country at this point.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Speaking for myself, not really. I think it's a weak field. I'm not sure that there is one in the field that could debate with Obama, with the exception of Gingrich and he has a lot of baggage.

Obama is not a very good debater. The only debates I remember is against McCain.

That was a comedy of two fools. Neither were debaters. I think any of the Republicans

could debate the issues better than Obama, even Rick Perry!

I think you're confusing Obama's great voice with what is between his ears. Maybe

he could out-debate them if the subject is community organizing or communist doctrine,

but nothing else.

[mikegideon]

Obama is not a very good debater. The only debates I remember is against McCain.

That was a comedy of two fools. Neither were debaters. I think any of the Republicans

could debate the issues better than Obama, even Rick Perry!

I think you're confusing Obama's great voice with what is between his ears. Maybe

he could out-debate them if the subject is community organizing or communist doctrine,

but nothing else.

I hope you're right. If I had to bet right now, it would be that Obama will stomp a mudhole in Romney. Not looking forward to that.

[Oh Shoot]

I hope you're right. If I had to bet right now, it would be that Obama will stomp a mudhole in Romney. Not looking forward to that.

If O had done worth a shiz, I'm sure with his arrogance, he'd simply refuse to debate; worked for Tricky Dick and LBJ. Didn't work for Carter, though, and certainly O ain't gonna be up in the polls enough to risk it (I think). Then again, he hasn't unleashed his billion dollar saturation barrage yet either, who knows?

Actually, seems he probably won't make that billion mark, the deep pockets of Wall Street, banks, and investment houses are abandoning him.

- OS

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Ah, but don't forget all the unknown contributions from Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck

and Adolph Hitler.

Mike, I just don't think Obama is any kind of debater to begin with. No substance

there. I don't really know enough about Romney except from the myriad of primary

debates and some of them he actually did do well.