Trump is your spoiler

[Guest mikedwood]

For all of those that think Ron Paul in a 3rd party run would spoil it and throw the election to Obama, I think are wrong, completely wrong.

BUT Donald Trump in a 3rd party run would for certain put Obama back in the White House and guess what

He's planning on it. Found with the Drudge headling

Tricked you: I'm not Republican Donald Trump announcing that he's possibly in the works of pursuing a 3rd party run.

Thoughts? Yeah praying for Ron Paul to run 3rd party now aren't you?

Seems like I remember another egotistical, know it all, wacky rich guy spoiling it for the Republicans years ago.

[Transplanted Hoosier]

There are some things I like about Ron but I damn sure can't stand "the Donald". I thought for sure he would go off to the sidelines and watch the race but I guess I was wrong.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

What can I say? The Republicans are screwing up a lot, with Boehner and

McConnell(sp?) trying to screw up at every turn. I'm frustrated, too.

Trump isn't the saviour, nor is Paul. I don't have any other answer for this.

The process has put so many of us against each other by watching and digesting

the news sources. We digest at different rates. Well, we are human, after all.

Look at the varying opinion on this forum and you can tell that. Hell, we'll argue the

word "conservative" or "Conservative" means and then politicize our versions to fit

our needs. I know what my version is and I stand by it, even if I can't articulate it

very well. At best, my gut tells me whether or not I think something is crap.

The bottom line is to me, at least, honesty. These people are not true believers of

capitalism. They are dishonest at best, and outright crooks, and we have to get back

to basic principles of capitalism and justice, which is what I think the founders of this

country fought for.

If you want to do some good, clean up the Republican Party of it's progressive big

government crowd. To Hell with the Democrats! They are just a bunch of communists,

nowadays. If the Republicans will not get it's collective act together, it should be replaced,

but right now isn't a good time to dump everything out and give Obama a real stupid

win.

Your right about the spoilers, mikedwood. The problem is, there aren't any real leaders in

the race, and that includes Paul and trump. We haven't seen a real leader in decades.

[mikegideon]

Yes they're screwing up. I wouldn't be suprised if they handed the election to Obama on a silver platter.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Its hard to imagine enough people voting for trump to matter one way or t'other, but maybe my imagination isn't very good.

[mav]

I have always thought Trump is nothing more than a rich a$$hole.

[greenego]

I can't see the Republicans pulling together to beat Obama. I keep reading higher ups are afraid of a repeat of 1964. I think they need to look more at 1976 Reagan, Ford. Any third party run by a widely known canditate, Paul, or Trump will give Obama 4 more years. Gary Johnson is set to run as a Libertarian.

Gary Johnson to seek Libertarian Party nod

[Guest bkelm18]

Paul running as third party would kill any hope we have honestly, though we don't really have much if any to begin with. Paul would certainly split the vote if he ran 3rd party. Trump... there are weirdos out there that would vote for him but not enough to actually sway anything dramatically.

[kieefer]

Publicity stunt is the way I see it. Nobody took his debate show serious. He took offense to that so he's mudding the water with this PR tantrum.

He knows what a split ticket 3rd party will do and he knows how serious this election is. He's waiting for someone to ask him for his endorsement, that will boost his ego and then give him something else to get face time with.

[Glenn]

Trump is all about money. it wouldn't surprise me if he has a promise of special treatment from the Obamination if he runs and pulls votes from the Republicans.

Glenn

[mcurrier]

Maybe he'll run as a Dem and split their vote!

[kieefer]

Maybe he'll run as a Dem and split their vote!

That's what he ought to do, the clowns that voted for BHO could fall for the Donald.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

The typical Libertarian Prez candidate in the past can pull 1 percent in a good year. Maybe a couple of times it was a little higher than 1 percent, can't recall. It was pretty low in 2004 and 2008 because in those elections both the D's and R's were successful in frightening most voters that the world would end if they didn't cast a vote for the lesser of two evil clowns.

In some years the Greens would draw about the same tiny percentage as Libertarians, nearly cancelling each other out as far as "stealing" votes from the two major party clowns. It assumes that people who vote Libertarian, Green, or Constitution parties would bother to vote at all if those options were not on the ballot, which may not be a valid assumption.

The upcoming election will also be billed as armageddon if the least evil clown fails to win, so that may suppress the Libertarian vote even if Paul was heading the Libertarian ticket. It is possible that Paul heading the Libertarian ticket might draw away about equal numbers of disenchanted R's and D's, so he might not make a difference to the major parties even if he pulls 10 or 20 percent.

Perot pulled pretty good and might have won if he had actually been temperamentally suited for the presidency. His unsuitability for the office showed in his flakey behavior quitting, then starting again, etc. Temperamentally unsuited, but arguably had better ideas than the R or D of that time. Though not really a libertarian, at least slightly more sane policy than R or D.

Maybe depends on how many voters are so fed up with the R's and D's this time around, that they see little benefit regardless which one wins.

If Johnson gets the Libertarian nomination, and Paul doesn't win the R nomination, and Paul doesn't run Libertarian, I'm guessing Libertarians will pull about the same 1 or 2 percent as usual, unless most people are frightened into voting the lesser evil. In which case it might be a half percent or less. It would be surprising if enough people are fed up enough that he would pull more than a couple of percent.

Because most elections are so tight nowadays and even 1 percent can swing it, it is surprising that neither R's or D's make more efforts to modify platform and behavior to entice Libertarians. Maybe it is because both parties stand to lose 10 or 20 percent of the core constituents if they swing Libertarian.

[Guest mikedwood]

Trump is all about money. it wouldn't surprise me if he has a promise of special treatment from the Obamination if he runs and pulls votes from the Republicans.

Glenn

Thats exactly wbat im thinking. Exactly.

Trump is going to serve trump no ifs ands or buts about it.

[wjh2657]

That's what he ought to do, the clowns that voted for BHO could fall for the Donald.

This is inane. Trump is an utra-wealthy Republican. He will not get Democratic votes. I am a conservative, liberatrian independent (according to latest stats we make up 41% of electorate) and I sure as hell won't vote for him.

Republicans will vote for him because he is flashy, filthy rich and a media super star. Run one of the two women (Bachman or Palin) as VP to get the good old boys hormones going and he will pull down a lot of Republican votes.

If he just promises to shoot all the gays, deport all of the hispanics and let us keep our guns, he might even get to be President. Of course what he would do after getting in office would be a disaster, but all the voters are looking for are the right promises.

I am really worried about this election. I don't want OBama back and all the Republicans are offering are lousy choices for the oval office.

Worst of all, the American voter blindly follows party lines and is incapable of individual thought, which rules Independent Candidates out.

Edited December 24, 2011 by wjh2657

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm really worried about this election and I share your views. At this point, all

we can do is discuss the symptoms until they are regurgitated and see what is

left over. Ain't any hope and change for me. Too much has happened, lately,

with laws passed that hurt us all. It's difficult to get behind any of them.

The process has gone to Hell and a lot of the candidates are already there, too.

[kieefer]

This is inane. Trump is an utra-wealthy Republican. He will not get Democratic votes. I am a conservative, liberatrian independent (according to latest stats we make up 41% of electorate) and I sure as hell won't vote for him.

Republicans will vote for him because he is flashy, filthy rich and a media super star. Run one of the two women (Bachman or Palin) as VP to get the good old boys hormones going and he will pull down a lot of Republican votes.

If he just promises to shoot all the gays, deport all of the hispanics and let us keep our guns, he might even get to be President. Of course what he would do after getting in office would be a disaster, but all the voters are looking for are the right promises.

I am really worried about this election. I don't want OBama back and all the Republicans are offering are lousy choices for the oval office.

Worst of all, the American voter blindly follows party lines and is incapable of individual thought, which rules Independent Candidates out.

Inane?

The Donald has supported quite a few liberal Democrats, including;

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid,

Former Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel,

Former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell,

Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,

New York Senator Chuck Schumer,

Former Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry,

Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy,

And ethically challenged New York Rep Charlie Rangel,

In fact, a majority of Trump’s political donations have gone to Democrats.

Donald Trump is the ultimate wolf in sheep’s clothing.

An opportunist who has lived his life as a middle of the road Democrat,

But sees an easy opportunity to steal the Republican Presidential nomination.

from → Democrats, Donald Trump, Politics

Edited December 24, 2011 by kieefer
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[mav]

I'm really worried about this election and I share your views. At this point, all

we can do is discuss the symptoms until they are regurgitated and see what is

left over. Ain't any hope and change for me. Too much has happened, lately,

with laws passed that hurt us all. It's difficult to get behind any of them.

The process has gone to Hell and a lot of the candidates are already there, too.

Based on the current crop of candidates, people should be worried about this election. While I am a Paul supporter, I find it troubling that Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and Gingrich didn't even get on the VA ballot. From what I have read thus far, only Romney and Paul are going to be on the ballot for VA. What in the hell are these candidates doing? How can we expect them to be serious candidates if they won't do what is necessary to get on a state ballot? I guess Virginia isn't all that important, sheesh.

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

Trump is unelectable and not a threat!

[BryanP]

Trump is unelectable and not a threat!

Ralph Nader was unelectable but if he hadn't run Gore would have beat Bush in Florida and that would have made the difference. Nader should be on the Bush family Christmas card list from now until doomsday.

[kieefer]

Based on the current crop of candidates, people should be worried about this election. While I am a Paul supporter, I find it troubling that Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, and Gingrich didn't even get on the VA ballot. From what I have read thus far, only Romney and Paul are going to be on the ballot for VA. What in the hell are these candidates doing? How can we expect them to be serious candidates if they won't do what is necessary to get on a state ballot? I guess Virginia isn't all that important, sheesh.

That's what I've been thinking, how could they have dropped the ball in VA?

I read where Newt's a favorite in VA and has said he'll be running a strong write in campaign, as well the others I suspect.

[Glenn]

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Glenn

[Glenn]

Sorry for posting that here. I know it's off topic, but I am so depressed about the shape our country is in and see no hope for improvement in the current crop of political crap.

Glenn

[Mike.357]

The Donald is not going to run against Obama unless he sees it as the only way to unseat Obama.

If anyone halfway acceptable runs as a republican he will not run.

And if the repub candidate is a dog why shouldn't he run?

[Guest mikedwood]

The Donald is not going to run against Obama unless he sees it as the only way to unseat Obama.

If anyone halfway acceptable runs as a republican he will not run.

And if the repub candidate is a dog why shouldn't he run?

"The Donald" is rumored to have donated $50,000 to rahm's mayorial campain and recently got permission to casino in chicago if I remember correctly.

All things may not be as they seem.