Empty Holster Protest..??

[JayC]

Humm... There's expenses associated with safety courses; targets, over head, pay, etc. The government has no money, they confiscate it from the productive and distribute it to their political choice. So, if the government funds it, Joe Blow who just hates the thought of guns is flipping the bill. Just playing Devils advocate.

I agree there is overhead and profit in the classes, it's corporate welfare for gun ranges, and firearms instructors... Try to repeal the class, or make it much shorter/less expensive, and see who complains the loudest, it won't be the anti-gun crowd it will be the people receiving corporate welfare from the state in the form of mandatory classes. I think ranges and instructors should be able to teach any class they want without the need for government approval, or paying a special tax... just don't think the government should be forcing a class on us and all the cost related to that class when the class doesn't do anything... virtually everybody passes the class that attends.

And that is only one form of corporate welfare in this system, look at what it takes to setup a HCP 'school' and all the corporate welfare attached... look what it takes to become a HCP instructor and all the corporate welfare attached... And the taxes involved... it's one big money grab by the government and businesses who got this silly stuff added to the law for their own benefit.

[JayC]

Again, rights do NOT come from the Constitution, they come from our humanity. Go back and re-read the Federalist papers, the one of the concerns about the Bill of Rights was that people would think those were the only rights the government could not infringe upon, and clearly that was not the case... The right to freely travel was considered so basic, nobody thought they had to include it in the Constitution, they thought if the government became so bold as to try and regulate travel the people would rise up... they clearly didn't count on our current crop of sheeple.

One of the reasons that travel isn't included in the Constitution, is not even the British crown tried to stop freeman from traveling, that goes to show you just how much tyrannical our current government is than the British crown was before the revolutionary war.

As for your question about driving cars... so I don't have a right to drive a car, but I do have a right to drive a horse drawn carriage? Rights are not tied to technology... the form of travel doesn't give the government the ability to restrict the right.

I'd also argue that your right to life liberty and property without the due process of law part of the Constitution clearly covers your ability to travel freely without being detained by the government, or regulated by them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I dont think anywhere in the Constitution it says "The right of the people to keep & drive cars shall not be infringed." If it did say that then I would disagree with you.....

As someone mentioned above, laws & regulations only make things harder on law-abiding citizens. If Bubba doesnt know anything about carrying a gun he can just not take the permit course & carry one around anyways.

I think Tennessee should adopt Arizona's carry system & laws. Its funny to me when people say that Arizona's lax carry laws led to the Giffords shooting earlier this year. I never understood that. So if it would have been illegal for Loughner to carry a gun he wouldnt have done it? It was illegal for him to shoot people & he did that anyways......

Its also funny to me how people think that if you pass a law against something its not going to happen anymore. Like banning guns in schools & thinking that somehow that will make it so no one ever gets shot in a school anymore. How's that working out?

People are silly....

Edited December 20, 2011 by JayC

[JayC]

Bingo! However, our Postal Inspectors are extremely laxed around here. They have more internal matters to deal with rather than external so a lot of things slide by. There's lots of cops who stop by the Weisgarber post office in the morning to check their PO boxes in uniform and armed and they don't really care that they are breaking the law and neither do the ones who are supposed to enforce it.

That is a huge problem, all public servants should be required to live within the same laws as us 'regular' citizens. You can bet if a police officer in uniform had to disarm everytime they went to the post office, the law would be changed in short order.

[Will H]

I can understand covering costs but that is it, not 50 to 125 for class (private) and then 115 for permit that is outrageous, a friend of mine wants his HCP but cannot lay out the cash so he can't execise his right (I know privilage).

This is the situation I am in. I simply cannot afford to pay the government their bribe money right now. Ironically my federal tax return will be used to get a permit to exercise my constitutional rights. Don't get me wrong I am not upset by my inability to afford $200 at the drop of a hat. I am proud that I can support my family in a way that allows my wife to stay home and raise our children even in the 21st century, it just adds a bit of financial restriction.

[JayC]

This is the situation I am in. I simply cannot afford to pay the government their bribe money right now. Ironically my federal tax return will be used to get a permit to exercise my constitutional rights. Don't get me wrong I am not upset by my inability to afford $200 at the drop of a hat. I am proud that I can support my family in a way that allows my wife to stay home and raise our children even in the 21st century, it just adds a bit of financial restriction.

Just think how much easier that would be if you didn't have to pay the government for your rights, and we reduced the amount of corporate welfare? You would be able to afford $200 at the drop of a hat

[Guest ArmaDeFuego]

Again, rights do NOT come from the Constitution, they come from our humanity.

Well of course, I agree with that. Which is why it really chafes me when the government tries to tell me I CANT defend myself unless I jump through their hoops.....

I literally get BOILING mad any time I read about the Warren vs District of Columbia Supreme Court case. Can anyone please explain to me how in the HELL D.C. can tell people that they cant own firearms for self defense & then ALSO tell them that the police DONT have a duty to protect them. What the hell is that about? That makes me so angry. I cant believe that any government would do that to their people.

[JayC]

Well of course, I agree with that. Which is why it really chafes me when the government tries to tell me I CANT defend myself unless I jump through their hoops.....

I literally get BOILING mad any time I read about the Warren vs District of Columbia Supreme Court case. Can anyone please explain to me how in the HELL D.C. can tell people that they cant own firearms for self defense & then ALSO tell them that the police DONT have a duty to protect them. What the hell is that about? That makes me so angry. I cant believe that any government would do that to their people.

The best case all forms of government are a necessary evil, we haven't been at the best case for a very long time.

The ability for people to control others tends to corrupt people... not just the politicians or the government bureaucratic, but the population in general. I'm often shocked by some of the comments I read on here, which do not conform to our natural rights.

I think it has a lot to do with poor government run education, and the fact we don't teach children to question everything they're taught.