Ron Paul on Tonight Show/Jay Leno

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

In case you missed it! Sorry if this may be a double post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUZIVYuluc

[kieefer]

So Bachman and Santorum hates gays and muslims and the only one he could say something nice about was Huntsman?

Sounds like a real professional.

[LagerHead]

So Bachman and Santorum hates gays and muslims and the only one he could say something nice about was Huntsman?

Sounds like a real professional.

So far everything I've seen from him indicates he is ten times the professional of any of the others. He's the only candidate that isn't going to just extend the status quo. He's also the only one that not only knows what the Constitution actually says about the government's powers but would actually live by what it says. Gotta hate that, huh?

[Guest drv2fst]

I am baffled by folks that don't get Ron Paul. I wish we had elected him President a long time ago. We would be much better off than we are now.

[Guest mikedwood]

So Bachman and Santorum hates gays and muslims and the only one he could say something nice about was Huntsman?

Sounds like a real professional.

But he was correct. In the past month I can tell that he is simply over the Neocon agenda, he knows that war with Iran and probably Syria is coming soon and it bothers him greatly. I can tell by the look on his face.

All the troubles he predicted 20 years ago are have come to pass in the past few years, a lot of peoples views have gone from Ron Paul is a crazy loon to seeing that the crazy loon was more correct than anyone else about what was coming down the pike. Some still don't see it cause they are blind, hopefully they will wake up.

[mav]

But he was correct. In the past month I can tell that he is simply over the Neocon agenda, he knows that war with Iran and probably Syria is coming soon and it bothers him greatly. I can tell by the look on his face.

Interesting you brought that up. I was talking to some people this morning about the election and Paul's foreign policy stance when I had an epiphany. All of the propaganda being espoused by all of the candidates is the exact same language that was used during the build up to the Iraq war. They are using the exact same reasons.

1. They have or are working on WMDs

2. He is a madman

3. They are aiding terrorists

4. We need to defend Israel

5. Citing the UN as a means of cover

It is amazing how much you can forget in such a short period of time. I will admit that I had forgotten about all of the reasons cited before we went into Iraq.

I don't think there is any doubt that we will be at war with Iran under this president or the next.

[kieefer]

I am baffled by folks that don't get Ron Paul. I wish we had elected him President a long time ago. We would be much better off than we are now.

I agree with that perhaps he should have taken FDR's place?

What baffles me is RP supporters think he can make a difference when in reality there is no one that I know of currently in the House and Senate that believes in the same things that he does. Who else believes that our policies provoked 9/11? Who else thinks we can cut a trillion out of gov.?

The majority of voters pay more attention to Dancing w/Stars than politics, those who want BHO out of office will vote for the R-nominee, and RP will not get the nomination. When he goes 3rd party we will have BHO again. He continues to insinuate that will no thought of the consequences, he's in it for himself and cares less if we have another 4yrs of a marxist radical.

Matter of fact he sounds just like BHO calling "fellow republicans" names, this also shows a lack of leadership and respect to those who disagree with him.

[Guest drv2fst]

I agree with that perhaps he should have taken FDR's place?

What baffles me is RP supporters think he can make a difference when in reality there is no one that I know of currently in the House and Senate that believes in the same things that he does. Who else believes that our policies provoked 9/11? Who else thinks we can cut a trillion out of gov.?

And how will we change that if we don't start electing the right people? What I hear you saying is that he is the only sane person in the asylum. Well, I think we need to rotate out the inmates in the asylum until they don't appear quite as insane.

The majority of voters pay more attention to Dancing w/Stars than politics, those who want BHO out of office will vote for the R-nominee, and RP will not get the nomination.

I keep hearing that but yet he keeps gaining support. Those that say he can't or won't win remind me of

. We don't know YET if he will win or not. Stating that he won't as if it's already a determined fact is just silly.

When he goes 3rd party we will have BHO again. He continues to insinuate that will no thought of the consequences, he's in it for himself and cares less if we have another 4yrs of a marxist radical.

Matter of fact he sounds just like BHO calling "fellow republicans" names, this also shows a lack of leadership and respect to those who disagree with him.

Can you think of any politicians that haven't earned those insults? I can't. He was asked a direct question to which he replied with a direct answer. I think we need MANY more like him!

[Guest mikedwood]

I agree with that perhaps he should have taken FDR's place?

What baffles me is RP supporters think he can make a difference when in reality there is no one that I know of currently in the House and Senate that believes in the same things that he does. Who else believes that our policies provoked 9/11? Who else thinks we can cut a trillion out of gov.?

The majority of voters pay more attention to Dancing w/Stars than politics, those who want BHO out of office will vote for the R-nominee, and RP will not get the nomination. When he goes 3rd party we will have BHO again. He continues to insinuate that will no thought of the consequences, he's in it for himself and cares less if we have another 4yrs of a marxist radical.

Matter of fact he sounds just like BHO calling "fellow republicans" names, this also shows a lack of leadership and respect to those who disagree with him.

I think his son Rand agrees with him some. Rand's just a senator though.

I don't remember if it was in the Leno interview or another one but Ron Paul said that the president he would like to emulate was Grover Cleveland who took joy in vetoing bills. I heard someone else say that Cleveland was the last president to veto a bill because it was unconstitutional (I dunno if that is true or not, but it's certainly a point) If we don't get back to the Bill of Rights and Constitution very quickly then it will be dead, if it's not to late already.

No, is not a bad word, and we can't afford that, when we can't isn't a bad phrase either.

And what in God's name makes you think that Paul would take away Republican votes over Democrat votes, running as a 3rd party? Most of the Republicans want WAR with Iran. Live and breath for WAR with Iran and will take a war with Syria if they can get it. And so many of the "Conservatives" that listen to Hannity and Rush are brainwashed into thinking that corporate welfare is the greatest most needed thing in the freaking universe. Social welfare is wrong and corporate welfare is awesome, creates jobs! Yet we are at and actually over 9% unemployment if you don't cook the numbers.

And apparently Paul is leading now depending on reports. The Republicans have vowed to turn ugly on him. Mitts the only one left to challenge him and who in the @@@@ wants Mitt as President but the media?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If you mean we need to replace a lot of the old guard and think Ron Paul is the answer, you're mistaken.

I don't dislike Paul at all, but the direction I think we need to take is not just one but both Congress and

the executive branch. There are even many Republicans that need to be purged along with the socialist

Democrats in the House and Senate. Paul can only undo mostly what Obama has done, but that's not

good enough. The House controls the purse strings and needs to be cleansed of all who vote to extend

the spending. Too much politics and not enough Constitution because their own constitutions are

corrupted.

Look at our TN delegation's voting record and tell me it's good. Fincher got "Potomac Fever" the minute

he took his seat.

Paul won't get it because the Republican leadership is prepared to sink him. Games are being played.

I'd take Rand over Ron any day of the week!

[Guest drv2fst]

If you mean we need to replace a lot of the old guard and think Ron Paul is the answer, you're mistaken.

I don't dislike Paul at all, but the direction I think we need to take is not just one but both Congress and

the executive branch. There are even many Republicans that need to be purged along with the socialist

Democrats in the House and Senate. Paul can only undo mostly what Obama has done, but that's not

good enough. The House controls the purse strings and needs to be cleansed of all who vote to extend

the spending. Too much politics and not enough Constitution because their own constitutions are

corrupted.

Look at our TN delegation's voting record and tell me it's good. Fincher got "Potomac Fever" the minute

he took his seat.

Paul won't get it because the Republican leadership is prepared to sink him. Games are being played.

I'd take Rand over Ron any day of the week!

I find it insulting that folks that oppose Ron Paul think so little of his supporters. I doubt any Ron Paul supporter is stupid enough to think that if he got elected our problems are solved. Of course not, that is ridiculous. No one person can fix our government in ANY office. That person will need support from others to accomplish anything.

Electing Ron Paul is not the solution, its just a step in the right direction. We need to follow up and get him some support in the House and the Senate. We need to remind the current politicians (with our votes) that some of us have read the constitution and think it should be followed.

How can you clean House if you don't start at the top?

[Guest mikedwood]

If you mean we need to replace a lot of the old guard and think Ron Paul is the answer, you're mistaken.

I don't dislike Paul at all, but the direction I think we need to take is not just one but both Congress and

the executive branch. There are even many Republicans that need to be purged along with the socialist

Democrats in the House and Senate. Paul can only undo mostly what Obama has done, but that's not

good enough. The House controls the purse strings and needs to be cleansed of all who vote to extend

the spending. Too much politics and not enough Constitution because their own constitutions are

corrupted.

Look at our TN delegation's voting record and tell me it's good. Fincher got "Potomac Fever" the minute

he took his seat.

Paul won't get it because the Republican leadership is prepared to sink him. Games are being played.

I'd take Rand over Ron any day of the week!

They say the pendulum swings one way real strong and then the other. Ron Paul maybe as far as it could swing in one direction but it certainly needs to get started that way.

Yes the Senate and the House need cleaning and their approval rating is what 10%? Yet we keep reelecting them and Obama was one and over half the GOP's current presidential field is from the House or Senate. Most of last elections field for the Dems was members of the House or Senate. So much I don't understand.

I really think Rand's time is coming.

I think Rand would be a sure deal if he were running. Would be an interesting pick for Ron's VP.

How can you clean House if you don't start at the top?

Exactly is the only word or phrase I can think of!

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

I think Rand would be a sure deal if he were running. Would be an interesting pick for Ron's VP.

I would like to see a Paul/Ventura (James George Janos) ticket!

[mav]

I would like to see a Paul/Ventura (James George Janos) ticket!

I don't think I could support a Ventura candidacy. Why not Paul/Johnson or Johnson/Paul? I would be happy with Gary Johnson as prez.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I find it insulting that folks that oppose Ron Paul think so little of his supporters. I doubt any Ron Paul supporter is stupid enough to think that if he got elected our problems are solved. Of course not, that is ridiculous. No one person can fix our government in ANY office. That person will need support from others to accomplish anything.

Electing Ron Paul is not the solution, its just a step in the right direction. We need to follow up and get him some support in the House and the Senate. We need to remind the current politicians (with our votes) that some of us have read the constitution and think it should be followed.

How can you clean House if you don't start at the top?

You start like what happened in the mid-term election and continue the trend. If the trend

will only continue long enough then maybe something good will come out of our Congress.

Actually you can start anywhere you like, but it's already started. The top spot is important,

but the rest has to be done, also, and at the same time. It will mean nothing if the president

has nothing to work with. The conservatives have almost never been in control of the GOP.

That's how the Tea Party came about this time. That movement needs to be growing and I

think it will continue.

Get the most right minded people in office and then thin them out as they prove to be other

than conservative. The left is only part of the problem.

We could be doing our part by replacing Fincher, Blackburn and removing the remaining Dems.

Replacing Corker and Alexander with real conservatives, and running Haslam out of the state.

We can't do anything about the other states, but we can clean our own house, can't we?

I don't think I insulted you, did I? Ron Paul supporters are just like Sarah Palin supporters.

We believe in someone enough to push our favorite.

It's still a game of attrition. The last one standing might not be our favorite, but I will vote

for that one before I go and wreck the system and vote third party.

If Ron Paul is the last one standing, he gets my vote.

We are in a very chaotic stage in our country's history. We need to bring back order. I'll do

my part. I liked my childhood. I want yours and my kids to see the opportunity I enjoyed.

I don't want to see a dictatorship evolve out of this election. It could very well happen.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

There has been recent talk (again) of Condi Rice for veep, regardless who is the pres candidate. Supposedly Condi isn't vehemently opposed to the idea as was the case in 2008. It is said that this could bolster foreign policy credentials because none of the runners have any practical knowlege of foreign policy, only theoretical at best. Ron Paul and Gingrich seem the main ones who have looked "objectively" at foreign policy rather than knee-jerk preconceptions. Actually having thought about the issues with any depth.

People criticize Gingrich as being too "liberal" on some stuff, and Gingrich isn't a personal favorite. However, for instance when trying to solve a technical or design problem, it is rarely beneficial to limit one's options at the very beginning, with preconceptions. All relevant approaches or possibilities should initially be on the table to be evaluated for relevancy or usefulness. I think that Paul and Gingrich have come to their conclusions after some thought, and so if you have been known to have discussed non-traditional possibilities in the past, then you could be painted as liberal or out of the mainstream or whatever. But all the possibilities need to be examined just to make sure one doesn't miss a good idea or the best solution.

Some of the jokers not only have theoretical ideas on foreign policy, but they don't seem to have even considered the full spectrum of possibilities. Not a good starting point for useful solutions.

Condi might be very useful to temper the theoretical ideas with practical knowlege of what did and didn't work in the past, what is most likely to work in the future. Dunno. Maybe better than a veep candidate who is only good at reciting generic conservative talking points anyway.

[wjh2657]

The arrogance in believing that no Republican should ever be critical of another Republican because the Party is always right is the biggest reason I left the party after 40+ years and became an Independent. I am a Conservative, and the Republican Party is not.The party is progressive and strictly pro- Corporate Welfare. The Democrats are strictly progressive in favor of Public Welfare. Ron and Rand Paul and a very few other Republicans and Democrats are still Conservatives. Both parties, in general, are enemies of the Conservative movement.

We will not see improvement until we repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, giving states a say-so outside of party affiliations, and purge the Congress. How do we purge the Congress? Don’t send anybody back! With all new people it will be confusing at first, but confusion still isn’t as bad as the mess we have now. Break all of the special interest holds on our politicians.They will return to corrupt the new people, but we can do the flip-flop again. I really believe that this is the “Revolution” that Thomas Jefferson said we needed every ten years. The Political Parties are “Business Organizations” and have ceased to exist as representatives. The Permanent Politician Class (PPC) has to be broken up in D.C. or we just keep sailing along into an oppressive and chaotic oligarchy.

Edited December 20, 2011 by wjh2657

[kieefer]

Definitely agree we need to purge congress and that's one of the points I usually rant about.

I would hope Paul supporters can find some local representatives to vote for that have the same philosophy and put the same effort towards new blood as they currently do towards old man Paul. This is really the only way long term way to make a change in government.

Liberalism is the problem that needs rooting out.

Again, this fight is about getting BHO out of office. Paul doesn't support anyone but himself and as I said below, he doesn't care if BHO gets back in office. Obviously some of his supporters don't care either.

Maybe if Paul took Roosevelt's place in time?

[wjh2657]

Definitely agree we need to purge congress and that's one of the points I usually rant about.

I would hope Paul supporters can find some local representatives to vote for that have the same philosophy and put the same effort towards new blood as they currently do towards old man Paul. This is really the only way long term way to make a change in government.

Liberalism is the problem that needs rooting out.

If you believe that Liberalism alone is the problem, you are a Progressive, Crony-Capitalist and are part of the problem, not part of the solution. We need to be rid of both Liberal and Mercantile (Crony-Capitalism) methodologies . We need free market Capitalism and true conservatism to prevail in our government. Way too many Progressives wandering around with a phony Conservative label on them. We can identify the Liberals and deal with them but the Progressive Republicans are just as big a threat to our liberty and are very well hidden. Corporate welfare or Social welfare, both are welfare and are thieves of our money. As long as we blindly follow party lines (Democratic or Republican) instead of looking hard at the Individuals we are doomed to be taken by the confidence men of the "Washington Mob".

[kieefer]

Well, a libertarian in rino clothing is not the answer.

[G27]

Well, a libertarian in rino clothing is not the answer.

Considering the republicans can't offer up anyone who isn't the worst kind of RINO, I can't see how any party member would care.

RP is the only fiscal conservative running.

[Guest mikedwood]

Well it looks like the Republicans have decided that if Ron Paul wins they don't want to play. I don't know what that exactly means but they are saying ignore him if he wins Iowa and NH. If he carries enough to win then what will they do?

Now Palin and Jeb Bush, Gillianni (yuck yuck yuck) might or might not be considering entering the race.

Anyone but Ron Paul? And he is the best most conservative choice, but that is not what they want. Things are suppose to stay the same.

[eapking]

I think Palin is about to jump in. This whole thing is up for grabs.

[wjh2657]

Well, a libertarian in rino clothing is not the answer.

A libertarian does not have to be a member of the Republican Party (or for that matter, the Democratic Party either.)

Point made.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Well it looks like the Republicans have decided that if Ron Paul wins they don't want to play. I don't know what that exactly means but they are saying ignore him if he wins Iowa and NH. If he carries enough to win then what will they do?

Now Palin and Jeb Bush, Gillianni (yuck yuck yuck) might or might not be considering entering the race.

Anyone but Ron Paul? And he is the best most conservative choice, but that is not what they want. Things are suppose to stay the same.

It would be hilarious if RP won and Romney had to run third party. If RP loses, his supporters are sposed to suck it up and vote for the RINO of the day, but if RP wins the republicans want to pick up their marbles and go home?

Palin seems a nice enough lady but president is way out of her league. It is painful to see her on fox news pretending to be a political expert. They ask her a question and you can see the wheels turning while she struggles to select the appropriate generic talking point to recite in response.

It has been 3 years since the VP run. If Palin was at all interested in excellence at her chosen career, that is enough time to have gone back to college and got a PhD in economics or foreign policy by now. However, judging by her performance shooting the bull with Greta van Susteren, Palin apparently hasn't even been reading books or taking private lessons. She literally appears to know NOTHING more than the little she knew three years ago. As best I can tell her heart is in the right place, but dang it good intentions are a poor subsitute for knowlege or wisdom.

It will be at least a generation before the nation will elect another president named Bush.

Giuliani, yuck yuck indeed!