Dems losing mind over new Voter ID laws...

[Dolomite_supafly]

I would like to see like they did in Iraq. When you vote you dip a finger in permanent ink. That way it will be a lot harder to go from polling station to polling station which is what is going on now.

Dolomite

[mcurrier]

I would like to see like they did in Iraq. When you vote you dip a finger in permanent ink. That way it will be a lot harder to go from polling station to polling station which is what is going on now.

Dolomite

I have been saying this since the first Iraqi election! I have written all of my congress-critters several times about this subject.

Purple Thumbs and Photo ID's. One Person, One Vote!

[JayC]

Wrong. Just . . . Wrong. And Revisionist.

President Lincoln didn't have the executive power in the North to free the slaves; it couldn't be done by the executive, i.e. the President. It had to be accomplished by the legislature, i.e. the Congress.

However, the South was in Rebellion, and as Commander in Chief, Lincoln, under military rules, with an Executive Order, could Emancipate the slaves.

The main point being, Lincoln, for the times, was the best President for the North . . . and the South. John Wilkes Booth did an incredible disservice for the South when he assassinated President Lincoln. The Union administration of the South after President Lincoln's death was much harsher than President Lincoln had planned.

REGARDLESS, to this day, and across this nation, there are unbelievable levels of voter fraud in this country. To deny it is to be naive, or complicit.

I don't want to get too far off topic... but Lincoln was by far the worse President this country has ever seen, and it disgusts me to see his name attached to the Republican party... next people are going to be telling me Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative

[JayC]

Requiring a person to have a government issued photo ID to prove "who" they are when they go to cast their vote is a "hardship" only in the fevered minds of liberals who are frantically searching for plauasible (sounding) reasons to strike down such laws. The reasons they've presented are so feeble that they are ridiculous on their face - I have a couple of good Democrat friends who have been spouting this stuff at me and I'm having a difficult time believing that even they believe what they are saying.

The one thing that Democrats/liberals can't allow themselves to admit is that they WANT people to vote who can't legally vote (felons, illegal aliens, etc) because they know that for the most part, these people vote Democrat.

Personally, it's my belief that if a person is on ANY type of government assistance (Welfare, food stamps, unemployment, etc.) and/or anyone who doesn't actually PAY federal income taxes shouldn't be able to vote...anybody getting government largess shouldn't be able to influence, by virtue of their vote, how much they get! If you "pay into" the system then you should have a right to vote, if you don't then you shouldn't have the right to vote.

The truth is it's a form of a poll tax today... If the state would issue a voter registration card with a photo on it for free, then the Democrats would have not leg to stand on... but today photo IDs cost money and that is really a form of a poll tax.

[Guest mikedwood]

The issue is that a fee for a state issued ID constitutes a poll tax if required for voting.

The theory has been for a long time that a poll tax is bad, and once one starts please tell me exactly when it will stop. Is $5 or $8 to much for the to vote? Well no, but what about $100 or a $1,000 or $100,000? If you guys haven't figured out how the ball gets rolling and never stops need to pay more attention. Think I'm nuts? Look at cigarettes, a lot of people wanted them gone. They have effectively banned then across the country and now whats up for cleaning, yeah your freakin food.

Also for years and years sane people fought a national ID card. Now it seems as most of you are begging for one.

When Social Security 1st started one of the complaints was it was a national ID card. Noooo said the government. The stupid card use to say "Not for ID" or something like that on it, now look at what your SSN is used for, it is your ID for banking and about everything else that requires an ID......

Guys seriously be more careful about what you scream and beg for thinking it's a good idea.

As for slavery v. employed factory workers I did some research a few years ago and several years before the Civil War and if I remember right it took about 10 years factory pay to buy an able body slave, close to and during the war it was over 30 years salary to buy an able bodied slave. What I'm getting at is from a purely economic perspective employing someone was way cheaper than buying and keeping slaves. So IMO the North wasn't doing any great favors either.

Edited December 16, 2011 by mikedwood

[Oh Shoot]

Well, it IS law in TN after Jan 1 to show a photo ID (I guess, state issued?)

Is this being challenged in the courts?

Does DMV charge a fee for the (non DL) state ID? I honestly couldn't find that info on TNDOS site.

I know they're giving free photo driver's licenses out to those who have DLs but didn't get the pic.

- OS

Edited December 16, 2011 by OhShoot

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I am registered to vote in TN. I thought you guys would be, too. Smack me later.

The issue is a political one, only, as far as voter fraud goes. The democrats want

all their supposed constituents to be able to vote without consequence. Rather,

they want to take a batch of otherwise unregistered votes to the poll without any

scrutiny. They don't really care if the voter is alive or dead. They want the appearance

of a "fair" election. They are already succeeding in some states like Minnesota. Some

court decided Adolph Hitler and Mickey Mouse would be counted in that recall election

against Scott Walker, I heard somewhere.

George Soros has/had a program called SOS (Secretary of State) to get his kind of

people in that office for the purpose of causing voter fraud. If that is allowed to go

unchecked for several more years there will no longer be elections after they accomplish

their goal.

Instead of a poll tax, why not do away with absentee voting? Is it really too much to

ask a citizen to go vote in person? Those machines are expensive. So are crooked

absentee votes. Early voting is fine. Not too many excuses nowadays to not vote in

person.

[Guest mikedwood]

Well, it IS law in TN after Jan 1 to show a photo ID (I guess, state issued?)

Is this being challenged in the courts?

Does DMV charge a fee for the (non DL) state ID? I honestly couldn't find that info on TNDOS site.

I know they're giving free photo driver's licenses out to those who have DLs but didn't get the pic.

- OS

Yeah, and they do charge for photo IDs so I dunno if it can win in court, or if anyone would challenge it. They gave the free ones if you didn't have a picture to pacify till it gets rocking.

I just hope we don't find out why some smart people fought that one long ago, now we beg for it.

My step dad didn't have his picture on his DL and then he takes off flying and on the return trip got hassled for several hours in Atlanta.

I think that they should just give everyone a smart phone, boom instant ID, boom medical records, financial records, boom instant tracking cause you might be a terrorist, boom calorie counter and they could chime the mic, cops arrest someone and check out the texts see what kinda creep they have and hit "mom" and let your mom know what you did wrong right there, and check everyone out every so often. I should be king for a day with that idea.

[RobertNashville]

Yeah, and they do charge for photo IDs so I dunno if it can win in court, or if anyone would challenge it. They gave the free ones if you didn't have a picture to pacify till it gets rocking.

I just hope we don't find out why some smart people fought that one long ago, now we beg for it.

My step dad didn't have his picture on his DL and then he takes off flying and on the return trip got hassled for several hours in Atlanta.

I think that they should just give everyone a smart phone, boom instant ID, boom medical records, financial records, boom instant tracking cause you might be a terrorist, boom calorie counter and they could chime the mic, cops arrest someone and check out the texts see what kinda creep they have and hit "mom" and let your mom know what you did wrong right there, and check everyone out every so often. I should be king for a day with that idea.

Actually, there are a number of places where they can get a state issued ID free ( Clerks issue free photo-licenses for voter ID law | wbir.com )

[Oh Shoot]

Actually, there are a number of places where they can get a state issued ID free ( Clerks issue free photo-licenses for voter ID law | wbir.com )

Ah, that's what I wanted to know, thanks. Knew you could get free replacement DL with pic on it if you had one without pic, but see that the non DL state ID is free also.

So, no "poll tax" argument in TN. Unless you want to make the extended argument that the hassle of going to get one is "taxing" (which is really IS, at some DMVs at least on certain days).

- OS

[Guest mikedwood]

Actually, there are a number of places where they can get a state issued ID free ( Clerks issue free photo-licenses for voter ID law | wbir.com )

Good one! Should be legal as pie still is.

You gotta love this from the bottom of the article.

The

Tennessee Department of Safety & Homeland Security website lists the full requirements for voter photo identification. Other forms of ID that will suffice for entry into the polls include U.S. passports, Federal or State employee photo IDs, U.S Military photo IDs, and gun permits that include the person's photograph.

[Guest mikedwood]

Double post, sorry

[Guest lostpass]

I am registered to vote in TN. I thought you guys would be, too. Smack me later.

The issue is a political one, only, as far as voter fraud goes. The democrats want

all their supposed constituents to be able to vote without consequence. Rather,

they want to take a batch of otherwise unregistered votes to the poll without any

scrutiny. They don't really care if the voter is alive or dead. They want the appearance

of a "fair" election. They are already succeeding in some states like Minnesota. Some

court decided Adolph Hitler and Mickey Mouse would be counted in that recall election

against Scott Walker, I heard somewhere.

George Soros has/had a program called SOS (Secretary of State) to get his kind of

people in that office for the purpose of causing voter fraud. If that is allowed to go

unchecked for several more years there will no longer be elections after they accomplish

their goal.

Instead of a poll tax, why not do away with absentee voting? Is it really too much to

ask a citizen to go vote in person? Those machines are expensive. So are crooked

absentee votes. Early voting is fine. Not too many excuses nowadays to not vote in

person.

Voter fraud is extremely rare. Which shouldn't be a surprise, little reward, lots of effort.

The voter ID thing is a republican effort to disenfranchise voters. Mostly minorities I suppose.

The dems feel that if voting is easy they'll get more voters, the republicans feel that the more hoops people have to jump through the bigger percentage they will get. Cause only old people will put up with the hassle or something.

Both ideas are wrong headed in America. We have a voluntary vote system. Those without a picture ID aren't going to be likely voters in any event. The deems and republicans are fighting hard over a very small amount of the actual vote either way. But this is typical, cat fighting over an issue that doesn't really matter, yelling "rights" and so forth when I have to show id and fill out lengthy forms just to buy a gun. A right, unlike voting, guaranteed in the constitution.

[TMF]

Instead of a poll tax, why not do away with absentee voting? Is it really too much to

ask a citizen to go vote in person? Those machines are expensive. So are crooked

absentee votes. Early voting is fine. Not too many excuses nowadays to not vote in

person.

Actually there are some very good excuses. I voted absentee in the past two Presidential elections because I was wearing an American Flag on my uniform along with approximately 170,000 other voter eligible Americans between Iraq and Afghanistan. This doesn't even include military forces around the world in such places as Germany, Italy, Korea and so on. Also, for those that are not physically able to get to the polling site to stand in line they shouldn't lose their right because of hospitalization or severe disability. There are lots of Americans who fit that category and one of them is a relative of mine.

Thanks! (I think... )

Ha, yeah no worries. This is my new opinion I'm adopting. I've found that even in the face of logic and reason many folks will chose to ignore the facts and focus on nitnoid non-facts to support an illogical stance.

[strickj]

Requiring ID to vote can be a hardship for two reasons.

1) The cost of ID. For some, a simple $10 bill is the difference between eating and not eating, getting their kid a book for school or not, or having enough gas to get to work or not. Believe it or not, $10 is a lot of money to some.

2) Not being able to get the ID. For elders, those without transportation, etc, traveling across a county (or further) for an ID is impossible.

I believe both of these issues have been addressed with amendments to the law. Those that can not afford the ID will be given free ID and those without a means to travel can vote absentee.

[QuietDan]

Voter fraud is extremely rare. Which shouldn't be a surprise, little reward, lots of effort. . . .

How can you make a statement such as this, repeatedly, without offering evidence, when others offer clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, to include:

Tenn. Voter Corruption Found Statewide - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports

Do you hold some sort of basic, religious belief involving the absence of voter fraud? If you were unable to continue this belief, would your head explode? Does someone in your immediate family hold elective office?

Please explain or elaborate upon your otherwise seemingly irrational maintenance of this view. Your persistence in this view in spite of evidence to the contrary leaves me, and perhaps others, befuddled and amazed.

[quietguy]

I believe, at least from a Tennessee perspective, you have to look at the areas where significant fraud has occurred. How many deceased individuals voted for the Memphis Ford's over the years? It is surprising how many just happened to be customers of their funeral home.

People who do not have another form of valid photo identification may get a state-issued ID, free of charge, at drivers’ license offices around the state.

This is a quote from the Secretary of State's webpage. I am sure this inconveniences some voters, but I believe that it is worth it to ensure that those who cast votes have the right to do so.

Most of us believe that the Second Amendment gives us certain rights. Outside of the three fifths compromise, you have to go all the way down to the 15th Amendment to find another that deals directly with the right to vote of individuals.

In Tennessee, we have to show a photo id to prove that we have "permission" to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights. Why not have the same requirement to exercise our 15th Amendment right?

[MattCary]

Requiring ID to vote can be a hardship for two reasons.

1) The cost of ID. For some, a simple $10 bill is the difference between eating and not eating, getting their kid a book for school or not, or having enough gas to get to work or not. Believe it or not, $10 is a lot of money to some.

2) Not being able to get the ID. For elders, those without transportation, etc, traveling across a county (or further) for an ID is impossible.

I believe both of these issues have been addressed with amendments to the law. Those that can not afford the ID will be given free ID and those without a means to travel can vote absentee.

Thank you for a rational answer with facts backing it up.

I, too, agree that both of those issues have been (or can be) easily resolved.

So, if there is no cost associated with an ID, wouldn't continued hysterical objections indicate a deeper motive?

[MattCary]

In Tennessee, we have to show a photo id to prove that we have "permission" to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights. Why not have the same requirement to exercise our 15th Amendment right?

Exactly quietguy!

Think of all the daily transactions that require an ID: stopped by an officer for any suspicious or illegal activity, must show ID. Purchasing alcohol, tobacco, firearms, prescriptions, etc. requires an ID.

Cashing a paycheck or a personal check, depositing money into your account but taking cash out of the deposit. ID.

Am I to understand that we have a huge segment of the population that can't do any of these things every day, because they don't have an ID? No one in any of the Social services offices ask for ID to sign you up for benefits? Unemployment, Food Stamps, Welfare, HUD? Seriously? I don't buy that.

My point in this thread is simply this: the "requiring an ID disenfranchises voters" argument is a load of . There is something far more sinister behind the irrational objections to Voter ID laws. Florida 2000, and Minnesota 2008 are how the libs intend to conduct, and win, future elections.

Consider this: What Al Franken's Election Tells Us | Fox News and then try to post again that voter fraud is rare. Senator Franken (choke) may very well owe his current position to it.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Actually there are some very good excuses. I voted absentee in the past two Presidential elections because I was wearing an American Flag on my uniform along with approximately 170,000 other voter eligible Americans between Iraq and Afghanistan. This doesn't even include military forces around the world in such places as Germany, Italy, Korea and so on. Also, for those that are not physically able to get to the polling site to stand in line they shouldn't lose their right because of hospitalization or severe disability. There are lots of Americans who fit that category and one of them is a relative of mine. Ha, yeah no worries. This is my new opinion I'm adopting. I've found that even in the face of logic and reason many folks will chose to ignore the facts and focus on nitnoid non-facts to support an illogical stance.

Yours is a reason and not an excuse. Active military service should be categorized under something other than absentee voting. You are just lumping yourself with a group that has been known to have a lot of fraudulent voting when you have a valid reason to not be there. There have been times when your absentee vote wasn't counted, might have been for political reasons, eh? We civilians see some pretty ugly crap go on over here when you guys are serving your country over there. Thanks for your service. A lot of people use the absentee ballot when they could show up at the polls. And as for those people who are handicapped or disabled, a lot of those show up, not using the absentee ballot system. Organizations like ACORN and other interested parties should not be allowed to interfere with the election system. If a person wants to vote, they should get a relative or neighbor to either, take them to the poll, or call the election commission in their area to instruct them how to cast their vote. There are too many "interested parties" involved in the process causing fraudulent activity. Edited December 16, 2011 by 6.8 AR

[Tim Nunan]

I've heard that votes within unions on union matters require a photo ID; guess that should be banned as well?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I've heard that votes within unions on union matters require a photo ID; guess that should be banned as well?

I've heard that as well, but being a union

member myself, I have never been around

a union election that required any kind of

ID. Most of the votes I made have been by

mail. They are usually thrown out by the

one stealing the election.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Guest mikedwood]

Now that you guys mention it, how is the photo ID going to work with an absentee ballot?

There are a couple of elections I heard of where they didn't count the military absentee ballots because they wouldn't have made a difference like there were 200 ballots in a county and the lead was 5000 or something like that. Still I think they should be counted cause every vote is suppose to count and if someone is over seas fighting for us then count the vote no matter what.

Also can the machines still be hacked as easily as they say they could? And apparently it was pretty easy.

[TMF]

Yours is a reason and not an excuse. Active military service should be categorized under something other than absentee voting. .....There are too many "interested parties" involved in the process causing fraudulent activity.

I agree that we have to do as much as we can to prevent voter fraud but we have to stop short of making restrictions to the point of preventing folks with extenuating circumstances from voting. There will never be a 100 percent solution, but we can get close. The penalties for voter fraud should be made so severe and should be so strictly enforced that people aren't willing to take part in it. ANY elected official that is fraudulantly voted into office nullifies our whole system of government.

[Guest landman08]

My mother is in a nursing home, mind is good, body is failing as she must have assistance 24 hrs a day. Her driver lic has expired, which had no picture on it. She has never missed an election.

The election commission comes to the nursing home to vote the residents. With the new law, how is my mother going to vote? How are the other residents going to vote?

It is going to be very difficult to take her to get a Photo ID. Just renewing my HCP or TDL can take a couple of hours. There are many of the residents that do not have someone to take them to get their Photo ID.

Do these Legal Tennessee Residents, who have been productive voting members of society, deserve the right to keep exercising their right to vote without undue restrictions?

There are 3 nursing homes in my county, each have about 100 residents. This does not even address those people who are home bound for health reason and are being cared for by family members

What you and I, walking, driving, tobacco buying, alcohol drinking members of society, see as an inconvenience is a huge burden on many non-driving non-walking legal residents.

Maybe if we stood upright and straight, rather than leaning left or right, we could exercise being human.