Ever eaten Dog?

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Further torturing the thread--

Anthropomorphism is commonly considered a sin in science--

Anthropomorphism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ideas about objectivityIn the scientific community, using anthropomorphic language that suggests animals have intentions and emotions has been deprecated as indicating a lack of objectivity. Biologists have avoided the assumption that animals share any of the same mental, social, and emotional capacities of humans, relying instead on the strictly observable evidence.[28] Animals should be considered, as Ivan Pavlov wrote in 1927, "without any need to resort to fantastic speculations as to the existence of any possible subjective states".[29] More recently, The Oxford companion to animal behaviour (1987) advises "one is well advised to study the behaviour rather than attempting to get at any underlying emotion".[30]

The scientific method involves observation and measurement of the subject of inquiry; empathy is not generally seen as a useful tool. While it is not unknown for scientists to lapse into anthropomorphism to make the objects of their study more humanly comprehensible or memorable, they often do it with an apology.

I find it near-impossible to avoid Anthropomorphism related to well-socialized dogs with a decent-sized brain. Some of the tiny ones can appear pretty smart too, but the biguns seem more likely to appear smart and self-aware, though of course some big dogs are dumber than a stump.

A well-socialized intelligent dog seems at least as intelligent and self-aware as a human toddler. Some dogs perhaps reaching the intelligence of four or five-year-old humans. Though not all dogs achieve "sentience", it is difficult for me to deny that quite a few dogs appear to achieve sentience. Just as it seems verboten to kill and eat human children, shouldn't non-human organisms at a similar level of intelligence or sentience deserve the same accomodation?

There are anecdotal accounts of "wolf children"-- Humans who mature complely isolated from human contact-- That may be purely a matter of speculation. A human raised in the wild might be very lacking in what is normally considered human characteristics. Perhaps having minimal apparent sentience.

Well-socialized dogs may develop sentience which might not be as apparent if raised in the wild. They may have "potential sentience" rather than something which would always naturally occur in absence of socialization.

Parents of young children commonly play early "self awareness" games, "this is your nose" "this is your hand" "this is your ear" "this is your foot." Infants and toddlers are fascinated by such games and love it, stay entertained for as long as you want to play the game.

I've played the same developmental games with dogs, and the smart ones react very similar to infants/toddlers. They love it and appear almost hypnotized. I wonder if such games develop the first characteristics of sentience? By the time they reach old age, smart dogs often seem to have got pretty dern sentient.

It just almost seems like eating kids.

[Guest jackdm3]

Yeah, what he /\ /\ /\ said, and possibly:

Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.

Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?

Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charming mothertruckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?

Pulp Fiction

[DaveS]

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Edited December 8, 2011 by wd-40

[TMF]

After not eating for a few days most people here would eat dog. When you don't know where you're next meal is coming from your outlook on everything changes. I'm not talking about having to scrounge around the apartment and eat mustard sandwiches like some of us did in college, I'm talking about survival mode and no food available except for what you can find. It's hard to be a vegetarian in the winter. You don't have the luxury to pass up meals at that point, especially after a few days. I'm a dog lover too, but faced with that situation I ate dog parts. I'm not proud but I'm not ashamed either.

[Will H]

Most Americans do not like the idea of eating a dog, and that is fine. But, we must realize that our western sensibilities are not shared by a lot of the other cultures of the world. The eating of dog by those other cultures is not right or wrong, just different. If you adopted a baby pig as a pet, raised that pig as a pet and loved that pig like a member of the family you would most likely never consider eating that pig. There is no difference.

We in the western world tend to see animals as more than what they are, and there is nothing wrong with that, but we need to realize that those are only our opinions. Now, no one in this thread has talked about shooting anyone's family pet to eat it. There is no reason for anyone to be offended.

If other cultures eating dogs profoundly offends you maybe you should reconsider how sensitive you are, and how tolerant you are of those other cultures.

[Guest bkelm18]

Most Americans do not like the idea of eating a dog, and that is fine. But, we must realize that our western sensibilities are not shared by a lot of the other cultures of the world. The eating of dog by those other cultures is not right or wrong, just different. If you adopted a baby pig as a pet, raised that pig as a pet and loved that pig like a member of the family you would most likely never consider eating that pig. There is no difference.

We in the western world tend to see animals as more than what they are, and there is nothing wrong with that, but we need to realize that those are only our opinions. Now, no one in this thread has talked about shooting anyone's family pet to eat it. There is no reason for anyone to be offended.

If other cultures eating dogs profoundly offends you maybe you should reconsider how sensitive you are, and how tolerant you are of those other cultures.

This.

Heck, most of us view pigeons as the rats of the bird world, but a lot of places around the world they are considered a delicacy. Americans by and large are somewhat closed minded when it comes to food. We are just ingrained with these "taboos".

[Guest GunTroll]

I do not/will not look to the state for moral guidelines/permission for what is 'fair game' for being 'edible' such as the TWRA/TN did with deer and others, as posted in an earlier comment if the times warrant such measures. Declaring deer a game animal that can be legally harvested for food and sport is fine with me BTW. That's what they are, food and sport. I am not looking for the state to allow dog hunting or even to change their stance on the illegal killing of them. I'm not a weirdo.....well maybe .

But what about rabbit? Some folks have them as pets and yet they are legal to hunt here. Is that not a problem with you ______ ? Do you need the state (any) to allow, lets call it what it is, the killing of an animal for it to be considered food? Not me if the times warrant such measures. You can say a rabbit has emotions if you think they do (or place such abilities upon them) and no one could argue/convince you otherwise.

Now I love dogs. I have one, and have had many. As far as I know I have never eaten one and I do not want to at this time. I just think its so funny how some behave about the whole thing. Again we , I use that loosely, treat 'legal' game animals one way and place others on some higher plane. Its how you were raised, and nothing is wrong with that. Funny however.

[MikeW]

If I have.. I was not on purpose. If I do... I dont wanna know.

[Guest ochretoe]

^^^^^

Along these lines and reasoning, Tn. does not have a hog or pig hunting season this year. Does that mean it's not ok to eat pork? If one tries to use logic as a defence it helps to understand the prosses.

I think I will get me a bumper sticker that says "dog...the other white meat"

OK back to my ramble, got called away. The point above is to show poor reason. I'm not saying it's ok to dog or any animal for that point. That is a personal choice. What I am saying is dog has been eaten for centuries on probably every continent. If you use brain power as a determinant of what to eat, the list is pretty long. I have seen studies that claim most ocean mammals , octipi, squid, and some parrot and mhina birds are all smarter than most dogs. True or not I don't know. I think the hard point is can or should people eat what they love? I love my dogs so unless it was a last resort I would not eat them. I know some people on this board think I am horrid because I admitted to killing and eating a dog.(if it is a crime the statute of limitations has surely run out) I also deer hunt but for many years I did wildlife rehabilitation. I was bottle raising a deer the same time I was hunting other deer. If it makes everyone happy I will promis to never eat another dog unless it is a last resort or I'm in another country and someone else kills and cooks it.

Now everyone can hug and go on.

Edited December 7, 2011 by ochretoe
had to work for a few min.

[Guest GunTroll]

^^^^^

Along these lines and reasoning, Tn. does not have a hog or pig hunting season this year. Does that mean it's not ok to eat pork? If one tries to use logic as a defence it helps to understand the prosses.

I think I will get me a bumper sticker that says "dog...the other white meat"

The pork statement really works here for this topic. Good job! Great comment!

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Ethics will always be a slippery and ambiguous topic with no firm answers.

At the very least, maybe it is non-controversial to propose that if a living thing must be killed then it should be dispatched as humane and quick as possible?

Vegetarians (other than the ones who think that meat is unhealthy) may be thataway because vegetables are pretty dumb and apparently vegetables don't feel much pain when harvested? IOW, eat the least-intelligent stuff which provides sustenance? On the other hand, ain't no tellin. It isn't impossible that perhaps forests have a diffuse group consciousness and think deep but very slow thoughts perhaps taking centuries to complete. Ain't claiming that as fact or even likely. Just sayin it ain't impossible for all we know at the moment.

Maybe intelligence isn't a valid consideration when deciding what to eat, though I tend to think thataway. Given the choice of routinely eating dumb animals versus smart animals, then it seems most humane to preferentially eat the dumb ones?

By that theory, pigs are supposedly pretty bright, so maybe cows, chickens and fish would be preferable to pigs?

It just seems entering "iffy" territory to routinely eat creatures that may be as smart as young children or retarded adults. If it is OK to eat other species as smart as a two-year-old child, then why ain't it similarly OK to also eat any surplus two-year-old children or profoundly retarded adult humans running around loose? Is anyone "culturally accepting" enough to approve of the mongo-gumbo tribe eating their extra babies?

Thats my reasoning on the issue. Not getting all moralistic about it. Just thinking about it.

Maybe on the other hand it would be more appropriate to apply species gingoism as the ruling principle? Maybe intelligence isn't a valid consideration? In that case it is fine to eat non-humans even if they are freaking einsteins, but it is never OK to eat humans regardless of intelligence. In that case, any space aliens better watch out when they step out of the saucer, if they happen to look tasty!

Edited December 7, 2011 by Lester Weevils

[DaveS]

Since it is against Tennessee law to Hunt/Shoot dogs in this state, this "Non-Hunting" related thread needs moved to General Discussion or a special recipe section....but in the mean time....here is a couple pictures for your dinning pleasure!

This should be a "Happy Meal" to one of you out there!

[Guest jackdm3]

Since it is against Tennessee law to Hunt/Shoot dogs in this state, this "Non-Hunting" related thread needs moved to General Discussion or a special recipe section....but in the mean time....here is a couple pictures for your dinning pleasure!

This should be a "Happy Meal" to one of you out there!

Wow. I thought you split on this! And I hope the pic remains, for it's not illegal to the best of our knowledge.

I'll agree with you on moving the thread, though.

Edited December 8, 2011 by jackdm3

[roverboy]

I love the pics WD.

[DaveS]

Wow. I thought you split on this! And I hope the pic remains, for it's not illegal to the best of our knowledge.

I'll agree with you on moving the thread, though.

Dude, people get ticketed every day and arrested every day for "unlawful killing of Domestic Animals" I know this first hand. Read BEFORE you shoot!! Some folks is just too damn stupid to read the laws! It's job security for me Brother!

[Guest jackdm3]

In. Other. Countries! That's where we're to assume the pic came from.

[DaveS]

I am out now....just had to get something off my chest. But you just can't fix STUPID....

I'm outta here....

[Guest jackdm3]

Give your pets a hug. I'll hug mine until I have to protect them from harm. I'll be holding something else when that happens.

[Guest bkelm18]

Wow, somebody's feelings got wayyyyy too hurt.

[Guest bkelm18]

Since it is against Tennessee law to Hunt/Shoot dogs in this state, this "Non-Hunting" related thread needs moved to General Discussion or a special recipe section....but in the mean time....here is a couple pictures for your dinning pleasure!

Since you wanna overreact and get technical, this forum says nothing about hunting within the confines of TN. I'm sure it is perfectly legal to hunt/kill/eat Fido elsewhere.

[Guest GunTroll]

..... But you just can't fix STUPID....

I'm outta here....

Got that right!

And lets hope so for the third time or so now.

[Guest GunTroll]

I just wanted to say your comments on this post are great and insightful. That being said I can't help but to envision Tom Hanks character in Ladykillers for some reason or another when I read your post.

You know the one....

Ethics will always be a slippery and ambiguous topic with no firm answers.

At the very least, maybe it is non-controversial to propose that if a living thing must be killed then it should be dispatched as humane and quick as possible?

Vegetarians (other than the ones who think that meat is unhealthy) may be thataway because vegetables are pretty dumb and apparently vegetables don't feel much pain when harvested? IOW, eat the least-intelligent stuff which provides sustenance? On the other hand, ain't no tellin. It isn't impossible that perhaps forests have a diffuse group consciousness and think deep but very slow thoughts perhaps taking centuries to complete. Ain't claiming that as fact or even likely. Just sayin it ain't impossible for all we know at the moment.

Maybe intelligence isn't a valid consideration when deciding what to eat, though I tend to think thataway. Given the choice of routinely eating dumb animals versus smart animals, then it seems most humane to preferentially eat the dumb ones?

By that theory, pigs are supposedly pretty bright, so maybe cows, chickens and fish would be preferable to pigs?

It just seems entering "iffy" territory to routinely eat creatures that may be as smart as young children or retarded adults. If it is OK to eat other species as smart as a two-year-old child, then why ain't it similarly OK to also eat any surplus two-year-old children or profoundly retarded adult humans running around loose? Is anyone "culturally accepting" enough to approve of the mongo-gumbo tribe eating their extra babies?

Thats my reasoning on the issue. Not getting all moralistic about it. Just thinking about it.

Maybe on the other hand it would be more appropriate to apply species gingoism as the ruling principle? Maybe intelligence isn't a valid consideration? In that case it is fine to eat non-humans even if they are freaking einsteins, but it is never OK to eat humans regardless of intelligence. In that case, any space aliens better watch out when they step out of the saucer, if they happen to look tasty!

[Guest jackdm3]

I wish we could hear Tom snuffle-chuckle all during the read. Also, notice SOA's "Opie" in the background, gettin' the kitchen squared away?

[DaveS]

It's not the fact of "eating" dogs. It's the fact that moderators keep closing threads about the shooting/hunting/killing of dogs. The OP has found a new subject matter ("Ever eaten Dog") to bring up the subject of dog killing again. He mentions it too many times in his posts. He specifically mentions shooting dogs, not buying them in the grocery store, which by the way, is not permitted in the United States. I could care less what you people eat, but keep in mind that we have children/young huntings reading these threads, That don't want to read about such things. People on this forum know my personal and professional stand on Dog Killing...I say Killing, because the OP has said nothing about eating one alive. Fact is, I think he said he has never ate it at all!

[MacGyver]

I'm closing this thread per WD-40's comments above. I tend to agree that this thread was only meant to stir up trouble, and as such, the OP should consider this appropriate warning.