Bob Pope in the Tennessean talking about private sales

[BimmerFreak]

Clearly the words of a man who has made his money and doesn't care what bridges he burns now. Loose cannon on deck.

/thread

[Will]

Bottom line,sour grapes. He is trying to put a damper on the two gunshow promoters here who ran his lame ass out

of the buisness.

[Fallguy]

....and the view of another cat...

[Oh Shoot]

If I were a betting sort I would wager that gun shows will get background checks, private sales will be verboten ...

I wouldn't bet against that supposition myself.

And sorry to play the devil's advocate, but it's perfectly obvious to me that if I were a felon and wanted a gun, of course I would go to a gun show first -- convenient wide smorgasbord of choices, much better than the hassle of the "underground" from where everyone says a felon will get a gun regardless.

- OS

Edited December 6, 2011 by OhShoot

[Worriedman]

Wonder if we should not get Pope to champion a surge to make sure all automobiles sold are to legal citizens that have drivers license and insurance?

We know that if the State passes a law to that effect, there will be no one driving around that does not carry liability, and, each will have had the proper training to operate a 2000 lb. weapon at 65 mph.

While we are at it, let's get them to pass a law that makes it a crime to crawl behind the wheel under the influence of alcohol. If we could just get the State to regulate that, I wonder how many lives could be saved?

Edited December 6, 2011 by Worriedman

[Louisb]

Is he on somethin?

[Louisb]

Bob hates Goodman from the past, but then he sold his gun show interests.

I figure it is lead poisoning.

Bob you have become a . . .

I say, we all send him a Christmas card

Let's see, how do you spell dumb a$$?

Edited December 8, 2011 by TCLouis

[Louisb]

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[Will]

He got that he couldn't compete against the Goodman Shows then RK Shows ran him out and bought

his Franklin Show. As above Sour Grapes.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Um. Apparently, he does not understand how criminals get their firearms, nor how the right of property works.

Would a criminal wait for a periodic gun show, or just hit up his other criminal minded buddies to get him/her something fast? Would they pay the gun show premium, or get it off the street, and not have to wait? The lack of knowledge and logic abounds.

But hey, since when has those two things stopped those with an agenda?

[Oh Shoot]

Um. Apparently, he does not understand how criminals get their firearms, nor how the right of property works.

Would a criminal wait for a periodic gun show, or just hit up his other criminal minded buddies to get him/her something fast? Would they pay the gun show premium, or get it off the street, and not have to wait? The lack of knowledge and logic abounds.

But hey, since when has those two things stopped those with an agenda?

See my previous post.

I'd say plenty of felons buy from gun shows. I'd wager that some people who sell on this oft mentioned underground "street" also get them from gunshows.

Not all folks who need to make an illegal purchase need it for that night. Not all felons who want a gun even intend to use it unlawfully (beyond the obvious crime of just possessing it). Not all are ignorant of gun brands and value, and not all want a Raven, Jiminez, or even Hi-Point. My past um, association with this part of the non-gun show underground weapons market indicated that guns weren't necessarily cheaper and indeed, often more expensive than from gun shows.

There's a gunshow within ~150 miles of you every weekend in TN (and/or most other states), no long waits necessary.

/devil's advocate continued

- OS

[LagerHead]

Disregarding the fact that it has already been shown that a pretty low percentage of guns used in crimes come from gun shows, this guy's own math shows he's an idiot. He says there are at least 100 gun shows per year in Tennessee with at least 1,000 guns sold per day at each of them. Even assuming that each gun show was only one day long that means in his 25 years hosting gun shows there were 2.5 million guns sold with no records. And he says, "“But I also believe citizens should be able to walk around or sit on their front porch without bullets flying.” I would think with 2.5 million guns out there from gun shows alone if that was going to happen, it would have already. What was it somebody said? Asshat? Yea, I'll second that.

[Oh Shoot]

Disregarding the fact that it has already been shown that a pretty low percentage of guns used in crimes come from gun shows,...

How could a "statistic" like that be derived with any degree of accuracy whatsoever?

- OS

[R_Bert]

I have to doubt if many come from gunshows. They are too expensive. Stolen guns are always cheaper.

I wonder what the stats are on that ? I also wonder how many are stolen and not reported?

[Oh Shoot]

I have to doubt if many come from gunshows. They are too expensive. Stolen guns are always cheaper.

..

Well, most folks on TGO say that, so it must be true. Pretty amazing to me that every criminal in TN knows exactly where to buy a stolen gun at the drop of a hat -- there must be a much better network than back when.

- OS

[Will]

Mine was recovered from a crack house in W Nashville along with twenty seven others and it was the only one reported stolen. So I guess there are other outlets other than gunshows.

[R_Bert]

Well, most folks on TGO say that, so it must be true. Pretty amazing to me that every criminal in TN knows exactly where to buy a stolen gun at the drop of a hat -- there must be a much better network than back when.

- OS

nope.

personal experience working in Knoxville recovery ministries. You want to help out ?

PM me if so.

Bert

[Oh Shoot]

nope.

personal experience working in Knoxville recovery ministries. You want to help out ?

PM me if so.

Bert

Not debating there are all kinds of ways to score a gun. I used to could buy them underhandedly in a certain county from police confiscations; some very nice heaters in the selection, too; maybe a little cheaper, but in the ballpark of the same price as gun shows and newspaper ads of the day.

I think the reality of private sales of firearms is just an "inconvenient truth" for 2A folks. It's simply irrefutable that a private sale is indeed a legal way (on part of the seller) for an ineligible person to buy a gun. Gun shows just conveniently concentrate a bunch of private sellers in one location.

The real truth is simply that freedom has a certain degree of cost and risk to both individuals and society in general, whether it's re gun sales or riding a motorcycle without a helmet. Hell, I'm one who thinks that ANYone should have their gun rights restored after debt to society is paid, regardless of the previous offense. The overall long term principles of freedom should override the slight increase in risk, etc.

Banning private sales likely wouldn't affect gun related crime rate significantly, if at all, that's not my point, anymore than drug laws have prevented drug sales and usage -- just tweaks the price of the product. Might actually increase burglary rate, since price of those "crack guns" would rise and the risk/reward ratio is improved for the thief.

- OS

Edited December 9, 2011 by OhShoot

[mikegideon]

Well, most folks on TGO say that, so it must be true. Pretty amazing to me that every criminal in TN knows exactly where to buy a stolen gun at the drop of a hat -- there must be a much better network than back when.

- OS

I'm inclined to think you're right, Mac. I aslo believe that a ban would force some of them to change their source, and they WILL find another source. Meanwhile, here in the Peoples' Republic, lots of good folks are going to have to put up with more crap.

Edited December 9, 2011 by mikegideon
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[Guest don_m]

Here in Pennsylvania all handgun transfers except between spouses, parent/child, and grandparent/grandchild have to be handled by an FFL. It doesn't seem to inconvenience the violent criminals in Philadelphia, or even across the river in the [real] People's Republic of New Jersey where you have to kiss the police chief on the lips to get permission to buy a handgun. Apparently they're all driving down to gun shows there on weekends to pick up their "piece."