2012 Presidential Primary Poll

[mav]

Money won't be Santorum's problem. His coffer will start to fill after doing

so well last night. Romney has a conservative to worry about now, and Newt

may make things ugly for Romney, which will help Santorum.

Notice how most of the DC insiders are using "Big Government" with

Santorum. They still are cheerleading for Romney. They are establishment

(GOP) cheerleaders for Romney.

I have to disagree with you on this one AR. While I do have respect for the man, I have said for months that Santorum is not a limited government conservative. I have listened very carefully to his answers in the debates, and have examined his record. The only difference between Santorum and Romney is Santorum is more socially conservative and more hawkish. Both are big believers in a strong central government even though Santorum may claim otherwise. If Santorum was a little more moderate on his social views, I would consider him to be the establishment candidate as well.

If Santorum by some chance manages to win the nomination, which I don't think he will, there is only one way he could defeat Obama. Democrats will have to stay at home in protest in order for Santorum to win. Santorum is so far to the right socially that it is totally anathema to moderates, independents, and disgruntled democrats. They will not vote for him.

While I hate to say it, I believe Romney stands a better chance of beating Obama than Santorum, and that assumes his mormonism doesn't affect people's decision. As so many people like to say about Paul, I don't think Santorum can win the general.

(edit) To be fair to Santorum, I don't think he would have instituted Obama/Romneycare. However, he did vote for the prescription drug plan, which has been extremely costly.

Edited January 4, 2012 by mav

[Guest RobThatsMe]

The way I feel right now is that I want a bulldog in the whitehouse.

So, Newt is the one I'd cast a vote for.

[kieefer]

I'm happy with the results since I've liked Santorum since the first debate, I hope he can maintain the momentum.

I'm also happy that RP came in third but fear he will turn on the Republican party and the country by running as an Independent which will make BHO a shoe in.

I'm ticked about all the attack ads that both Romney and Paul assailed against Newt. Maybe he will come back with both barrels but feel that the only objective that any of them should worry about is getting this dictator out of office, let the people decide and expose BHO for the marxist that he is.

Should be an interesting election year.

[hornett22]

If Paul isn't the nominee,I'll be voting for Obama. I don't see the difference between voting for the lesser of two evils or just the evil.

[kieefer]

If Paul isn't the nominee,I'll be voting for Obama. I don't see the difference between voting for the lesser of two evils or just the evil.

Go ahead and buy the bumper sticker cause it ain't happening.

[hornett22]

Go ahead and buy the bumper sticker cause it ain't happening.

Got it already,just in case. thinking of getting a Prius to put it on as well.

[mav]

Got it already,just in case. thinking of getting a Prius to put it on as well.

Hmmm, Chevy Volt.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

I will quit before voting for Newt. He is exactly what brought the country to this point

Of all the smart things that I have heard you say, or read that you typed I guess it would be, that has to rank at #1.

I'll vote for Ron here and in the primary but sadly I dont think he will ever get the nomination and even if he did the things he says and believes in are far beyond the scope of understanding of most of America's voters.....as sad as that is.

Just as a disclaimer I have not yet read the entire thread.

[Oh Shoot]

Well, Mitt is making much of McCain's endorsement today.

Wow, publicly glowing to be endorsed by one of the worst losers in GOP history.

Really sounding like we might as well steel ourselves for Hope and Change II.

- OS

[Mike.357]

Thanks Joe, i meant it when i wrote it and stand by it now.

I do not see much if any difference in any candidate aside from Paul. The five families cant control him.

[Mike.357]

Were most likely gonna get four more year of despair.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Well, that went swimmingly, didn't it?

The front runner got 25% of the vote, the same amount he got 4 years ago. He won by 8 votes. Woo.

Santorum did well due to the Religious Right types. Lacking in other states.

Ron Paul is interesting, but his stance on Iran, and other issues won't let him get close to the GOP pick.

Sadly, when all of the Big Hitters did not run, I thought it was over before it began...

And after this turn out (120,000 - bout the same as last time, and 1/2 of what the Dems did 4 years ago) it smacks of 4 more for O.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

If this is the best the Republican party can put up then Obama will win in 2012.

I'm to the point of accepting bets on it.

I have been wondering if anyone else felt that way. I sure hope that my gut on this is wrong but that is exactly how I feel.

The only good thing is that my gut was pretty certain that BO could not win the first time, now that it feels that he will win again no matter who runs agaisnt him hopefully it is wrong again.

[mav]

Well, Mitt is making much of McCain's endorsement today.

Wow, publicly glowing to be endorsed by one of the worst losers in GOP history.

Really sounding like we might as well steel ourselves for Hope and Change II.

- OS

Oh come on now. You don't think McCain's endorsement is going to help? (edit) - McCain did so well last time. Why he is the epitome of moderation.

In regards to steeling ourselves for another 4 years of Obama, I don't think it will really matter. If he gets another term, the country will be so far beyond repair after his second term that we will literally be on the brink of self destruction. We all know how bad he has been during his first term, but just imagine how bad it will be during his second. He won't have to worry about being reelected, so I am sure anything will go at that point.

Edited January 5, 2012 by mav

[Guest 6.8 AR]

If Paul isn't the nominee,I'll be voting for Obama. I don't see the difference between voting for the lesser of two evils or just the evil.

I'm not criticizing, just have to ask how you arrived

at this? Paul or Obama. There is no character in

a statement like this, or was it just meant to be?

There are the social conservatives, fiscal

conservatives, can be either or both. Then

you have libertarians. I don't think Paul and

Obama can fit anywhere near each other

with those choices, unless one is willing to say

the vote won't matter anyway. I'm glad there

are people who actually take this seriously

enough that won't use this kind of rationale

when voting. You either are or not something!

I will take the last man standing on the right

side and will never compromise by using the

lesser of two evils analogy. It takes about as

much character, conviction , resolve or whatever

to use that baseless statement because when

you take conjecture and gossip, along with

media assassinations and assume everything

you heard to be true, then you will never find

anyone to your liking. Maybe some day

someone will invent a better bull**** detector

for us to get us through this stuff. The media

is running this election, just like before. Get

objective!

mav, I know Santorum has some bad appearing

votes, not as many as one might think, though.

His social conservative stance is one I rather

like. Kind of refreshing in this ever more secular

world we live in. Now as far as his stamina in

the debates, he has been consistant throughout

all of them I think. He just hasn't been given any

press time. Odds of him against Obama? No

number but he could nail Obama in a face to face.

Obama only has his prepared responses and

he fails in a debate with someone who is a debater

McCain was no debater and he was ashamedly

too PC to be a winner in their debates. Actually,

out of the available candidates, Bachmann,

Gingrich, Santorum and maybe Paul could if

he would get a damned grip long enough to

actually debate.

The last one standing will get my vote.

So was Reagan considered a shoe-in?

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[kieefer]

6.8 AR,

Many liberal democrats who have become disgusted with BHO seem to be drawn to RP for about the same reasons that they voted for BHO the first time.

Hopey-Changey is a dangerous drug.

[mav]

6.8 AR,

Many liberal democrats who have become disgusted with BHO seem to be drawn to RP for about the same reasons that they voted for BHO the first time.

If that is indeed true, that makes an excellent point for Paul being able to bring disgruntled voters from the other side. If that is the case, I would say that makes Paul the more electable of the other candidates running, which is eactly the opposite of what the right wing blogosphere and talk show mafia are saying.

It is good to see you coming around.

[kieefer]

If that is indeed true, that makes an excellent point for Paul being able to bring disgruntled voters from the other side. If that is the case, I would say that makes Paul the more electable of the other candidates running, which is eactly the opposite of what the right wing blogosphere and talk show mafia are saying.

It is good to see you coming around.

No, what it means is that there are just as many brain dead voters for RP just like there were for BHO.

[mav]

No, what it means is that there are just as many brain dead voters for RP just like there were for BHO.

I will take as many brain dead voters as necessary to get BHO out of office.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I, too would take a few brain dead voters to get him out of office, but you

have to remember that for every brain dead voter for one, there is likely to

be the same for another. Brain dead voters might as well have come from

ACORN being bussed in for a dead voting conference.

In other words, for a civil society to come back around there has to be someone

with a brain possessing reason, existence and justice. I want no other. The

rest allowed this crap we are living under.

[kieefer]

I, too would take a few brain dead voters to get him out of office, but you

have to remember that for every brain dead voter for one, there is likely to

be the same for another. Brain dead voters might as well have come from

ACORN being bussed in for a dead voting conference.

In other words, for a civil society to come back around there has to be someone

with a brain possessing reason, existence and justice. I want no other. The

rest allowed this crap we are living under.

Could this be why the Tea Party made such an impression during the last election?

I think there are many former brain dead voters who have now awaken and started paying attention for the first time.

I really can't see how anyone could not see the difference between RP and BHO, it's one extreme to the other, no offense to hornet but if his war is losing why join with the enemies?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think you're right about that kieffer. they got tired of seeing the country tumble

and decide to be noticed, thinking maybe some of these brain dead kids who do things

on impulse might consider using their brains for a change. My son impulse voted for

Obama. He's even seeing the light.

The Tea Party movement is a good thing happening and should be embraced by more.

[hornett22]

Hmmm, Chevy Volt.

No Way! they sound dangerous. I'm a toyota guy. Never buying a hybrid though. no matter who makes it.

[hornett22]

I'm not criticizing, just have to ask how you arrived

at this? Paul or Obama. There is no character in

a statement like this, or was it just meant to be?

There are the social conservatives, fiscal

conservatives, can be either or both. Then

you have libertarians. I don't think Paul and

Obama can fit anywhere near each other

with those choices, unless one is willing to say

the vote won't matter anyway. I'm glad there

are people who actually take this seriously

enough that won't use this kind of rationale

when voting. You either are or not something!

I will take the last man standing on the right

side and will never compromise by using the

lesser of two evils analogy. It takes about as

much character, conviction , resolve or whatever

to use that baseless statement because when

you take conjecture and gossip, along with

media assassinations and assume everything

you heard to be true, then you will never find

anyone to your liking. Maybe some day

someone will invent a better bull**** detector

for us to get us through this stuff. The media

is running this election, just like before. Get

objective!

mav, I know Santorum has some bad appearing

votes, not as many as one might think, though.

His social conservative stance is one I rather

like. Kind of refreshing in this ever more secular

world we live in. Now as far as his stamina in

the debates, he has been consistant throughout

all of them I think. He just hasn't been given any

press time. Odds of him against Obama? No

number but he could nail Obama in a face to face.

Obama only has his prepared responses and

he fails in a debate with someone who is a debater

McCain was no debater and he was ashamedly

too PC to be a winner in their debates. Actually,

out of the available candidates, Bachmann,

Gingrich, Santorum and maybe Paul could if

he would get a damned grip long enough to

actually debate.

The last one standing will get my vote.

So was Reagan considered a shoe-in?

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I figure if I vote for a socialist RINO like ****t Romney,Not much if anything will change. If I vote for a socialist Libtard like Obama,not much if anything will change. I actually think Obama may not be as anti gun as Romney based on what I saw of him as Governor of Mass.

Don't worry though,I was kidding. I'm voting Ron Paul even if I have to write his name in.

[hornett22]

Could this be why the Tea Party made such an impression during the last election?

I think there are many former brain dead voters who have now awaken and started paying attention for the first time.

I really can't see how anyone could not see the difference between RP and BHO, it's one extreme to the other, no offense to hornet but if his war is losing why join with the enemies?

I actually see a big difference between the two. what I don't see is the difference between Romney,Gingrich, and Obama.