Herman Cain speaks at MTSU.

[Guest WyattEarp]

Don't be embarrassed, there were on a few knuckleheads, not indicative of the rest of you. there might not have been "political" speech, but this was political. He is/was considered a front runner.

I heard him awhile back on TV, did some research on him, and liked what I saw and read, then the allegations came out. First one, kind of bothered me, but wasn't too concerned about it, second one.....hmmm, then the third....well he is done.

I liked him a lot because he is not a career politician, and we need that in our leadership, someone who is in the real world and knows what is going on, he has proved successful in his endeavors and rose to the top of his industries. He is well spoken, very intelligent and yes, doesn't come off as arrogant or dis-genuine. I was pumped to finally have a person that I could support. However, with the multiple allegations, and if all are proven to be true, then his morals are called into question and I can't support him.

I have a feeling, as he is talking with his family and reassessing his run, that he will withdraw soon, and if not, he will fade away like many before him.

Since I know so little about him, I can't say whether I would vote for him or not if he were in the running, but he is one of the few I could actually listen to and be inspired when I listened to him talk. It's really a tragedy that what might have or could be the next great leader of our nation, is being discredited for partaking in an act that millions and millions of American citizens participate in every day. Infidelity and money are the 2 biggest reasons for divorce in this country, accounting for between 52-60% of all marriages being dissolved.

The fact of the matter is, no one knows what is going on his marriage. His wife may be a cold and heartless woman and is more interested in whatever she does, and their marriage is one of convenience. She may not fill his emotional needs in the relationship, and instead tries to find the emotional fullfillment in someone else. We don't know if they have tried counseling, we simply don't know anything other than what the media spews and wants us to believe.

For all we know, she knows and she's ok with it, and they have an open relationship. He runs for Pres, she enjoys a comfortable life on his dollar, does her charity work or whatever she does, they tolerate each other, she does her duty to "appear" as a good loving wife for the sake of his Presidential run. If you've ever seen the movie "Dave", it could be kind of relative to Herm Cain's situation. But we don't know, and really it's none of the public's business where he chooses to stick his genitals or with how many. Does it make him any less of a leader? Does it detract from his educational accomplishments or his business successes? I don't think it does. Only way I see this as relevant is if it involved underage girls, and then it becomes illegal and I'd have a problem with it then.

Thomas Jefferson one of the Founding Fathers of the Declaration, the Constitution and Bill of Rights owned slaves and even slept with wives of his slaves, and bore children with them. One of the things he signed his name to included a line like this "so that all men, may be created equal". but back then, black men, whether they were slave or not, were not considered as equals. Today, that would be morally wrong, to many back then it was morally wrong, but it didn't effect Thomas Jefferson's vision for a Free Country irradicated of tyranny and oppression as a whole, nor his effectiveness at instituting change for the better of many.

This current generation, has all but lost its morals and values, and it seemingly gets worse every 3-5 years, and this may be only a perception based on increased media coverage, social media networking sites, the internet, and instant satellite broadcast abilities from anywhere in the world, but teenagers are having pre-marital sex, 12 and 13 year old girls are having babies, young kids are doing drugs and drinking in elementary school, jr. high and high school, young men and women participating in group sex parties, girls are having sex with other girls and it's socially accepted, but on the other hand boys having sex with other boys is not as accepted, and then up getting criticized, tormented and persecuted for being "fags", but girls get told it's "hot" that they have sex with other girls, and you have kids killing their parents because they didn't get their way or get what they wanted.

I guess I find it amusing the public can get disheveled and be in an uproar because a political candidates morals might be a little questionable because he had sexual relations with a woman other than his wife, when the very people who vote for or against them don't hold a set of morals or values any better, themselves. I just wonder if I'm the only one who sees this logic as flawed? or does anyone else see it too, but write it off as to "that's just the way it is" and accepts it for the Status Quo?

I like Cain and would have voted for him in a heart beat but I agree he is toast now. I also like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy and it sucks. No matter who the GOP nominee is I will vote for them. We need change. Don

just curious, but if a Democrat was on the ballot who was a better choice and a better leader, would you not for the best possible candidate? Seems to me the point of the Presidential Election is to vote the best possible overall candidate, not just the one who happens be in the party your Granddaddy voted for, or your dad, brother, uncles and cousins vote for, or just because you're a Republican and you somehow believe it's the right thing to do just because the candidate is a Republican. I'm not criticizing you for your decision, but I believe biased party loyalty voting is one of the many reasons why the People are constantly limited to only 2 main parties who actually stand a legitimate chance to lead this country, and why an Independent or a Libertarian or member of another party will likely never receive enough of the majority vote and I'd like to better understand your point of view.

The last election, and I am typically on the conservative side of things, although sometimes I tend to flop to the liberal side of some issues, I couldn't bring myself to vote for George W. Bush. I didn't feel he was the best candidate, nor the lesser of two evils, but I didn't vote for Obama either, because I felt he was inexperienced, his views and positions on topics were very different than my own, so I did not vote for him either, and knowing we have a 2-party system I knew I was essentially throwing my vote away, but I voted for Bob Barr. He was very close to where I stood on federal taxes, gun rights and overall believes in less government control. I thought he was the best possible candidate in my opinion, and he got my vote. In the end my vote didn't matter, but I can sleep at night knowing I did what I thought was right. Don't think I could say that today if I had voted for Obama or Bush.

I edited the OP to remove the picture of the Secret Service Agents. While we certainly enjoy freedom of the press, I'm a little sensitive to putting people who are professionally downrange faces online. The Secret Service also has a significant law enforcement role that often involves undercover work. I'd hate to have any part in compromising someone down the road.

sending you a PM.

So, you guys just believe what was done to Cain was all the truth? I'm not

going to defend his actions, but how much of what you have seen and heard

on TV about him is the truth? Trial by television. I just love it. Government by

public opinion poll. A lot of what Mr. Cain has been accused of has been shown

to be garbage.

Where is Ms. Alred when the Bieleck woman was being run out of her apartment?

What kind of evidence are you willing to accept accusing him? I think this stuff

is a blatant character assassination on a black man running against the Democrat

Party, who loves to control the minorities and expects to keep their votes in house.

But, hey! Who am I? I think some of y'all need to tune up your BS detectors.

Amen! Character assassination by the media is terrible these days, and it only seems like it happens to someone has who good intentions of righting a ship that is slowly capsizing. The majority of the people will believe anything they hear on the news, just to have a bandwagon to jump on.

I believe he has acknowledge the 13 year affair, but I just don't care, that's his business, he's a proven business man who has succeeded in turning around many failing companies, his accomplishments wouldn't even fit on a one page resume, you'd probably need two or three, possibly four pages to list everything he's done.

yet having sex outside of his marriage, when at least 50% of the US population has done or is doing the same thing, somehow automatically reduces his worth and value as a leader?

marriage does not mean to many, what it used to mean a long time ago. Most states don't even recognize the very adultery laws on their own books, nor do they enforce them. It's morally wrong for the states to ignore and fail to enforce a law on their books, but they prosecute criminally or find civiliy liable for all the other laws on their books. That's morally wrong in the fact that the states decide to selectively enforce which laws, but you never hear a word about anyone challenging that!

That's why I said "if all are proven true". I believe a lot of it is what you say, character assassination, but if their is some truth in it, is moral character comes into question. They did pay one of them off to go away.

However, I still don't think he has a chance anymore. Fair or not, this isn't a trial and public opinion can and will be swayed. It's sad. I really like him, enjoy hearing him speak and like his ideas.

I hope it comes out that accuser 1, 2, 3 and if any more were full of it, were paid to do it, whatever, and that he is cleared, it will need to happen soon.

we've all done moral wrong, stolen a candy bar, did something to make ourselves look good and someone else bad, taken credit for something we didn't do, manipulated our way into something for personal gain, lied to our parents, or grandparents, lied about seeing someone do something illegal or against the rules, when in fact they didn't, found a $20 bill in the parking lot of a grocery store, and in stead of turning it into the manager for someone who lost that $20 to come claim, we pocket it and carry on as though nothing happened, or whatever it may bel, but we're all guilty of doing something morally wrong, so I guess I just don't see what the big deal is and why people think his sex life is any of their business or needs to be splattered about through the media. The decency in this country has gone down the toilet.

whether he did it or not to me is moot. He's not the first, and he won't be the last.

[Guest hawkeye10]

Wyatt Earp you sure can write and that is a good thing. I mostly vote for Republicans but have a few times voted for a Democrat. I have not voted for a Democrat president. I would vote for most any one to get Obama out of the white house. In my opinion he is the worst thing that has happened to this country in a long time. I really think George Sorus is the one that is calling the shots but I can't prove that. So who ever is running against Obama I will vote for them. Don

[Guest WyattEarp]

Wyatt Earp you sure can write and that is a good thing. I mostly vote for Republicans but have a few times voted for a Democrat. I have not voted for a Democrat president. I would vote for most any one to get Obama out of the white house. In my opinion he is the worst thing that has happened to this country in a long time. I really think George Sorus is the one that is calling the shots but I can't prove that. So who ever is running against Obama I will vote for them. Don

My first two English professors encouraged me to be a journalist, but I'm no fan of structured writing, especially AP style in which the message to the masses is dumbed down so that the masses can understand it. I feel as i were writing to a 10 year old. If I were to ever be a journalist and I won't rule it out, because I'm pretty sure I wouldn't need a degree in journalism as my ability is obvious, but I'd either have to write Opinions columns or Sports. I fear I'm entirely too opinionated, and that no sane editor in his right mind would dare hire me and publish my columns. I'm well known to speak my mind, and sometimes it's difficult to filter them appropriately, although recently, I have gotten much better and learned to channel them better and more appropriately. Maybe as I get older and wiser, I may consider it. I enjoy writing and challenging the socially accept norm's of our society which may not be moral, right or even acceptable.

Fair answer, I was just curious what your thought process on how you voted was. I know too many people who were raised one party, and that's how they vote, because that's how all of their family votes.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

That's why I said "if all are proven true". I believe a lot of it is what you say, character assassination, but if their is some truth in it, is moral character comes into question. They did pay one of them off to go away.

However, I still don't think he has a chance anymore. Fair or not, this isn't a trial and public opinion can and will be swayed. It's sad. I really like him, enjoy hearing him speak and like his ideas.

I hope it comes out that accuser 1, 2, 3 and if any more were full of it, were paid to do it, whatever, and that he is cleared, it will need to happen soon.

That's the trouble with this man's character. It will never happen that any of the gold digging women and that

beotch of a lawyer(Allred) would consider saying another word, because they know the damage is already done.

This is politics, the dark side, because so many people only pay attention and form opinions based on the last five

minutes, then promptly forget most everything of substance. This sucks to Hell.

I know what you meant, db99wj. I wasn't addressing you. But you are probably right. He probably doesn't have a

snowball's chance in Hell.

[laktrash]

Cain just Folded

[mikegideon]

Actually, he suspended. He can keep raising and spending money.

[Guest WyattEarp]

Actually, he suspended. He can keep raising and spending money.

he dropped out of the running for the 2012 election, but he'll be back, 5 years from now this won't matter, but he needs to deal with it, get it resolved and out of the way. America is accepting of mistakes, if guys like Michael Vick and Pacman Jones can get chances to redeem themselves, so can Herm Cain. America loves a good comeback story. No reason Cain can't be one too.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Wyatt, the affair he has "acknowledged" could very well be something very similar to how I am charitable. I have never been

one to do the United Way, or the like. I do things like tip the waitress, or housekeeper, a bit more than usual and occasionally

when someone, out of the blue, is kind to me for no reason I can see, I return the favor. I may be a ****bag occasionally on

here, but I don't broadcast my charitable actions to gain favor. If some of my actions were discovered by someone with the

wrong mind, I could also be accused of an affair. No altruism. No sex. Just kindness. My wife knows, also, and doesn't mind at all.

I could be a Pollyanna, I guess, but it's my charity, no one else's.

I see where Herman Cain could be misunderstood.

[Mike.357]

Guess I lost my candidate, no clue who to support now. The ones I have seen to date do not impress me much. they are definitely just more of the same old same old. Cain was a breath of fresh air.

[mikegideon]

Guess I lost my candidate, no clue who to support now. The ones I have seen to date do not impress me much. they are definitely just more of the same old same old. Cain was a breath of fresh air.

Don't get too depressed. Politican's are like girls. You never have the real picture until you smell their farts. Neither farts until the courtship is over.

[Mike.357]

the problem with the girls left in the race is we have already smelled their farts.

[Guest WyattEarp]

Guess I lost my candidate, no clue who to support now. The ones I have seen to date do not impress me much. they are definitely just more of the same old same old. Cain was a breath of fresh air.

it's my belief that the only way the political system in this country will change (not can change, or should change) is with bloodshed. That's the only thing politicians will ever understand and the only thing that will ever get results. They have nothing to fear from anyone with the current state of affairs in this country, the mindset of the general population that they can't do anything about it other than vote, things will continue down the redundant path they have traveled down.

So long as they can hide behind the protection of legal loopholes, exploit legal technicalities, find ways to avoid accountability, rely on the good ole boy system to cover for them when they do wrong, and as long as the people who work with them, around them and those who work above them are willing to conceal the corruption in all levels of government and bureaucracy, and remain silent, while the politicians, judges, and officials steal, manipulate, abuse their power, and willingly rape the very virtues of the system they have taken an oath to uphold and defend, then nothing in this country will ever change for the better.

There will come a day when the People stop believing the lies, the explanations are no longer good enough, the excuses fall on deaf and numbed ears, and when the unrest of the People, finally boils over, only then will they have something to fear. Only when it is their own blood that drips through the cracks of the streets, as they are dragged helplessly from their homes, their comfortable government offices to face whatever fate the mobs decide is fitting, only then will the cower in terror and fear, and until then, they won't ever get it.

Our government is much too comfortable, too complacent, too self-secure in their thought process, their habits, their function, but the People haven't reached the breaking point yet, I'm sure it's still a long, long ways off. It's going to take something that effects all classes of society on a major scale, to get the People pissed off enough.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson

[Mike.357]

I like that post Wyatt.

I wish I had a supply of rails and buckets of tar, bags of feathers.

Everyone running aside from Herman is just more of the same old.

[mav]

Everyone running aside from Herman is just more of the same old.

I disagree with your assessment that everyone is just the same old. You may not like him, but Paul is nothing like the same old. It is too bad that more congressmen and senators aren't like him. As for all of the rest of them, I would agree with your comment.

[strickj]

it's my belief that the only way the political system in this country will change (not can change, or should change) is with bloodshed. That's the only thing politicians will ever understand and the only thing that will ever get results. They have nothing to fear from anyone with the current state of affairs in this country, the mindset of the general population that they can't do anything about it other than vote, things will continue down the redundant path they have traveled down.

Before tonight, I had never heard of Herman Cain. Didn't know who he was, what he did, where he came from or anything.

I tune politics out for the most part, and rarely watch the news.

Just though I'd put these two statements together in one post.

[Guest WyattEarp]

I disagree with your assessment that everyone is just the same old. You may not like him, but Paul is nothing like the same old. It is too bad that more congressmen and senators aren't like him. As for all of the rest of them, I would agree with your comment.

in regards to Paul, all I can say about his campaign efforts are, a fool and his money are easily parted. he doesn't have a chance. he's ran twice already, and didn't even get 10% of the popular vote in either election, combined.

Just though I'd put these two statements together in one post.

ok? and your point being? my first statement is why I tune out politics and rarely watch the news. same ****, same old story, same boring politicians, spewing the same story, to the same people taking the same approach, and getting the same results. nothing changes. so why bother?

[Guest 6.8 AR]

After all these years, I finally realize where Sean Connery got those words in "Hunt for Red October".

Those famous last word in the movie, "A little revolution, every now and then, is a good thing, don't you think". Ramius to Ryan at the end of the movie. Paraphrased at best by me.

Thanks, Wyatt:D That movie was full of that stuff. I didn't realize it was Jefferson.

Edited December 4, 2011 by 6.8 AR

[Mike.357]

I disagree with your assessment that everyone is just the same old. You may not like him, but Paul is nothing like the same old. It is too bad that more congressmen and senators aren't like him. As for all of the rest of them, I would agree with your comment.

How long has Paul been an elected official?

[mav]

How long has Paul been an elected official?

Quite a while. However, look at his voting record. He did not get the moniker "Dr. No" for just anything.

There are several Republicans, although not many, that I would not consider to be the same old.

[strickj]

ok? and your point being? my first statement is why I tune out politics and rarely watch the news. same ****, same old story, same boring politicians, spewing the same story, to the same people taking the same approach, and getting the same results. nothing changes. so why bother?

Just saying.

Maybe if people would pay attention and vote instead of complaining then we wouldn't be in this mess.

[mikegideon]

Just saying.

Maybe if people would pay attention and vote instead of complaining then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Maybe if people would pay attention and drive, we wouldn't have so many wrecks. Unfortunately, there's a lot of smelly stuff floating around in the gene pool these days. A lot of folks are paying attention, but probably not enough. There's still way too much fat, dumb, and happy to fix much of anything. That goes for Congress AND the general public.

[TMF]

it's my belief that the only way the political system in this country will change (not can change, or should change) is with bloodshed.

.........

Our government is much too comfortable, too complacent, too self-secure in their thought process, their habits, their function, but the People haven't reached the breaking point yet, I'm sure it's still a long, long ways off. It's going to take something that effects all classes of society on a major scale, to get the People pissed off enough.

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson

The "People" have XBOX 360 and iPhones. Until those comforts are in jeopardy the "People" won't care enough to be so outraged.

On another note, why does it matter who Herman Cain decides to penetrate? I don't understand why we have to get so wrapped up in the personal lives of our politicians to the point that it distracts from the real issues. Can you imagine if Ben Franklin was alive today? He was a great American, but he liked the ladies. If such an environment existed back then to the extent it does now, America would have lost out on such an influential founding father. Uggghhh. I'm no longer excited to vote. I'm only voting to get Obama out.

[mikegideon]

I'm no longer excited to vote. I'm only voting to get Obama out.

I'm starting to think we'll be lucky to pull that off. Anybody with a brain in their head should know that it really is job 1. I just don't know if there's a critical mass of folks that can sort their priorities well enough to actually get it done.

[Guest jackdm3]

From a lot of people around me: "Yeah, Obama hasn't turned out like I had envisioned, AT ALL, but it's not so bad as to vote him out." I think it'll be a close race and THEN we lose.

[mikegideon]

Yep. The liberals still like him. I also expect him to run a stout campaign. Not even close to a done deal yet. If the pubs don't put up the right candidate, we could be screwed.