LE Duty Handguns in the State of TN

[Patton]

On 10/17/2022 at 7:13 PM, StrategicFS said:

Glock has convinced most LE agencies to switch to 9mm since it "almost" performs as well as .40. Their words... 

Many agencies have switched to the 17s. Not sure why as it seems the 45 would be the perfect duty handgun length for patrol so the muzzle isn't digging into the vehicle seat putting unneeded torque on the officers spine. 

Speaking of manufactures, it was interesting that LAPD went with the FN 509 handguns. 

We are seeing as many Glock model 45s in LE holsters as model 17s, or at least in TN.  With so many going to pistol optics it negates the argument for a longer sight radius. We have seen a few agencies get Glock 17s and trade them in for model 45s a very short time afterwards.  I’ve talked with many people who say they shoot a model 45 better than a 17 or a 19.  Here is the funny part, some say they shoot a 19x better than a model 45. I’m serious!  

We are still seeing a lot of 40s for law enforcement use, or at least in TN. I am a firearms instructor for a community college’s police academy. It’s been about 55 percent 9mm and about 40% 40s&w over the last two years. I have not seen a single 357 Sig come through the academy since I started in 2020. There have been a couple of Glock 21s and a few Sig p220s. The last two cadets with p220s experienced a ton of malfunctions. It was extremely concerning, but they said their department was already looking at replacing them with 9mm Glocks.

 

I would have no problem carrying a FN 509 on duty, but like most non-Glocks and non-Sigs, holsters are few and far between.

[Rainsford]

Are LEs really starting to use optics? Pretty cool but I’m also surprised

[Moped]

27 minutes ago, 62caster said:

Are LEs really starting to use optics? Pretty cool but I’m also surprised

I think KCSO in Knox County is allowing officers to carry them as an option.  I saw at least one from bodycam footage KCSO released of the 2020 Downtown Knoxville I-40 shootout.

See around the 2:40 mark.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?&q=shootout+on+i-40+in+knoxville&view=detail&mid=2F8385FB2FD720C913802F8385FB2FD720C91380&FORM=VIRE&rvsmid=5B060B2023AA44E19CF05B060B2023AA44E19CF0&ajaxhist=0&form=VDQVAP

Edited December 20, 2022 by Moped

[crc4]

I'm curious as to the 9mm ammo departments are using. If anyone knows, that would be great. 

Would also like to know why that particular ammo is used.

[NashvilleGlock45]

On 11/26/2011 at 1:27 PM, Patton said:

I am making a list of duty weapons across the state. Please add only what you are truly sure is factual information. I thought others may like to know the duty firearms across the State Of Tennessee.

Tennessee Alcoholic Beverage Commission: Glock 19.5 MOS

TBI: Glock 19M and 43

Tennessee Highway Patrol: Issues both Glock 45 MOS and 43X

TWRA: Glock 31 as of Fall 2011

TN State Parks: Glock 17 Gen 5

TN Probation and Parole Officers: Glock 23

UT Police: Glock 23 and Glock 27 to detectives

UTC Police: Sig 220

University of Memphis Police: Sig 229 DAK 40SW

TDOC: Glock 22 or 23

Fisk University Police: Ruger Security Six.

MTSU S&W M&P

TSU: M&P in 40S&W

Amtrak Police: Glock 22

CSX Railroad Police: Glock 22

Norfolk Southern RailRoad Police: Officers get a Glock 23 and administrators get a 27

Union Pacific Railroad Agents: Springfield XD40 but can carry any quality handgun

TLETA Staff: Glock 21

DOE Officers Sig 226 in 9mm

TVA Police, Contract security, and Nuclear Security Officers: Glocks and M&P's are 40S&W /Sigs are 9mm

 

 

Anderson CoSO: Glock 22

Athens PD: Glock 22 

Bartlett PD: Sig 226 357SIG

Bean Station PD: Glock 21

Bedford CoSO: Sig P320 40s&w

Belle Mead PD: Glock 21

Benton PD: Glock 45

Berry Hill PD: Glock 22/23 (officer w/1911 spotted)

Bledsoe CoSO: Glock 21

Blount County SO: Assorted Glocks in 40S&W some Sig 232 used by command staff

Bristol PD: Glock 22/23

Bradley CO. SO: Glock 22 and other Glocks in .40

Brentwood PD: M&P 45

Centerville PD: Beretta PX4 .40

Chattanooga PD: Sig P320 and some personal weapons carried as primary

Chattanooga Housing Authority: Glock 31 Gen 4, as of Spring 2014.

Chattanooga State Community College: Sig 220 as of 2017

Chattanooga Airport: Glock 22

Clarksville PD: Glock 22

Claiborne co sheriffs office issues glock 22/23 officer supplied b.u.g

Cleveland PD: Glock 21

Coffee Co SO: Glock 21

Collierville PD: Patrol carries a Glock 22./ Swat - Glock 21. Investigators/Brass issued either Glock 23 or 27 (depending on assignment).

Collegedale PD: Glock 22 gen4

Cocke County SO: Glock 31

Columbia PD: H&K 45 USP

Crossville PD: Sig 229 40SW

Cumberland Co SO: Glock 21-road officers and Det. Glock 30

Cumberland Gap FN 5.7, only has one officer

Dayton PD: Glock 19

Decauter PD: Glock 31 as of 2013

Dickson City PD: Glock 23

Dickson SO: Glock 22(or anything Glock)

Dover PD: M&P 40S&W

Dunlap PD: Glock 22 and 23 Gen 4

East Ridge PD: Glock 17 gen4

Ettowah City PD: Officer supplies Glock? but most all are G22

Fairview PD: Glock 22

FairfaxCoSO: Glock 22

Gallatin PD: Glock 22 in 40S&W

Gatlinburg PD: Glock 22

Germantown PD: H&K P30 LEM in .40

Goodletsville PD: Sig 220 & SWAT:Springfield XD or whatever they want to qualify with(1 known Sig P250)

Graysville PD: Glock 22 but can carry personal weapons

Hamilton County SO: Glock 22 but a few Glock 23

Hamilton Co. Parks: Glock 22

Hamblen County SO: Glock 32

Harriman PD: Glock 22

Henderson PD: Glock 23

Henry County SO: Glock 22 and other Glocks in 40 S&W

Hickman CoSo: various quality firearms in 40S&W

Hohenwald PD: Glock 31

Jackson PD: Glock 22 Gen4

Jasper PD: Glock 17

Jefferson County SO: Glock 22

Johnson City PD: HK USP 45

Johnson PD: H&K 45acp(may have been replaced)

Jonesborough PD: Glock 21

Jefferson City PD: Glock 21

Jefferson Co SO: Glock 22

Kimbal PD: Glock 22

Kingsport PD: Glock 21 baby Glocks are also issued

Kingston PD: Glock 21

Knoxville PD: Sig 220/ SWAT has SIG TAC OP's 1911 as of May 2012

Knox CO. SO: Glock 22 on patrols some Glock 23 and some 27 with office and detective personnel.

Knoxville Airport: Glock 22

Lake City PD: Glock 22

Lawrence CoSO: Glock 31

Lawrenceburg PD: Glock 22

Lavergne PD: Patrol G21

Lenoir City PD: Glock 22

Lewis CoSO: Glock 22/23

Lewisburg PD: Sig 227

Lookout Mountain TN: Gen 4 Glock 22 as of 2015

Louden CoSo: Glock 22/23

Madison County: Glock 19 Gen 4

Marion CoSO: Glock 22

Maryville PD: Glock 22

Maury Co So: Any fullsize or compact Glock is authorized

McMinn Co: Glock 22

McMinnvile PD: Glock 23

Meigs CoSo: Glock 31 as of 2013

Memphis PD: Sig 229 40S&W

Millan PD: Glock 31

Monteagle PD: Glock 31 as of 2019

Montgomery CoSO: Sig ? 40SW

Moore County Metro: Glocks in 40S&W.

Mt Juliet PD: Glock 21

Nashville Metro: Glock 22/23 some (few) old timers have other weapons granfathered in

Nashville Airport: Glock 22

New Tazewell glock 22 and keltec .380s

Newport PD: Glock 22 or/and Glock 31's

Norris PD: Glock supplied by officer mostly all Glock 22 or 21

Oak Ridge PD: Glock 22

Pikeville PD: Glock 31

Polk CoSO: Glock 22

Red Bank PD: Glock 22

Rhea Co SO: Glock 17  Gen 5 but a few other personal weapons carried.

Ridgetop PD: Glock 21 but can carry whatever they want to qualify with

Roane County: Glock 21sf, Some officers get Army surplus 1911's as car guns/BUG/off duty

Robertson Co SO: Glock 22 Gen4

Rockwood PD: Glock 23

Rutherford Co SO: Sig 229 40S&W

Selmer PD: Glock 22 or 23

Sequatchie Co SO: Glock 22

Sevier Co SO: Glock 22

Sevierville PD: Glock 22

Shelby Co So: Sig 226 40S&

Shelbyville PD: HK USP 45 and 45 compact

Signal Mountain PD: Glock 19 Gen 4

Symrna PD: Glocks-22/23-Road Officers and 27 to Det.s and SWAT gets XD45

Soddy Daisy PD: Glock 45 MOS with Aimpoint

Somerville PD: Glock 22

South Pittsburg PD: Dept went back to Glock 22 in 2019 after a short try with P320 9mm

Sparta PD: Glock 21

Springfield PD: ? 357Sig

Spring City PD: Glock 31 as of Spring 2014

Spring Hill PD: S&W M&P 9 w/ Shields as BUG (2015)

Stuart CoSo: Glock 22

Sullivan CoSo: Glock 22

Sumner Co SO: Glock ? in 40SW

Tazewell glock 22 and 27s

Tipton CoSO: Glock 22

Trousdale Co SO: Glock 22

Vonore, TN: Officers supply their own weapons. 

Warren CO SO: Glock 37 (probably the only GAP agency in TN)

Washington Co SD: Glock 21 and Glock 30 to Det.

White CO SO: Glocks in 357 Sig

White House PD: Glock 22

Whitwell PD : Glock 22

Williamson CoSo: Glock 22

Wilmington Co So: SWAT gets 5.7×28mm FN

Mt julie Police carry the Glock 45

THP carries Glock 45

Metro Nashville P.D carries Glock 19 gen 5 and some Glick 23

[Patton]

On 12/20/2022 at 12:25 PM, 62caster said:

Are LEs really starting to use optics? Pretty cool but I’m also surprised

We are seeing a fair amount of optics. I only know of one agency in TN, Soddy Daisy, that every officer has an optic.  Oddly enough they went with the Aimpoint ACRO. Otherwise, we are seeing mostly RMR and Holosun. Most agencies it is the firearms instructors, SWAT folks, or LE that bought their own optics, handguns, and holsters running pistol mounted optics.

[Patton]

On 12/20/2022 at 1:15 PM, crc4 said:

I'm curious as to the 9mm ammo departments are using. If anyone knows, that would be great. 

Would also like to know why that particular ammo is used.

It’s all across the spectrum.  The Federal HST and Hornady Critical Duty are probably the most common. A lot of agencies are switching every year based on availability; mine has.  Chattanooga PD has been running the 135 Critical Duty since going to 9mm two years ago. Every year I see less and less Speer Gold Dot in Tennessee, and I imagine it’s for the lack of availability. I see a little bit more Winchester Ranger than Remington. THP does have Winchester Ranger though.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Patton

[crc4]

3 hours ago, Patton said:

It’s all across the spectrum.  The Federal HST and Hornady Critical Duty are probably the most common. A lot of agencies are switching every year based on availability; mine has.  Chattanooga PD has been running the 135 Critical Duty since going to 9mm two years ago. Every year I see less and less Speer Gold Dot in Tennessee, and I imagine it’s for the lack of availability. I see a little bit more Winchester Ranger than Remington. THP does have Winchester Ranger though.

Thanks for the response. What caliber did you carry before the 9mm? What guns, why the change, and what do you carry now?

I trying to see if there's any pattern in LE - whether it's cost, leadership demands, community demands, etc.

 

[Patton]

19 minutes ago, crc4 said:

Thanks for the response. What caliber did you carry before the 9mm? What guns, why the change, and what do you carry now?

I trying to see if there's any pattern in LE - whether it's cost, leadership demands, community demands, etc.

 

I have been with my agency since 2016, and we switched from Gen 4 23 to gen 5 19 MOS. The reason was a lot of our agents wanted 9mm. It wasn’t so much the recoil, ammo cost, or anything other than people just wanted new guns and the 9mm because their BUGs and alternate weapons were mostly 9mm. We had Glock 23 since the early 90s. Supposedly, we were one of the first agencies in the country to have Glock 23s; I don’t know how true it that is though. It was time for new guns considering ours were 10 years old. I carry a personally owned Glock 43x about 75% of the time. A few of our older folks have all three of their 23s. I do know the earliest Glock 23 gen 2 we had was from 1990. 
 

 Most of our agents carry a personally owned  weapon in plainclothes. Nowadays it is p365 or slimline Glocks. There are a few people hanging on to Glock 27s who don’t care to switch, and I know of a couple of shields. Three non-gun types agents just carry a .380. There is one Ruger EC9 used by a female, but I don’t believe she carries it often.

[crc4]

26 minutes ago, Patton said:

I have been with my agency since 2016, and we switched from Gen 4 23 to gen 5 19 MOS. The reason was a lot of our agents wanted 9mm. It wasn’t so much the recoil, ammo cost, or anything other than people just wanted new guns and the 9mm because their BUGs and alternate weapons were mostly 9mm. We had Glock 23 since the early 90s. Supposedly, we were one of the first agencies in the country to have Glock 23s; I don’t know how true it that is though. It was time for new guns considering ours were 10 years old. I carry a personally owned Glock 43x about 75% of the time. A few of our older folks have all three of their 23s. I do know the earliest Glock 23 gen 2 we had was from 1990. 
 

 Most of our agents carry a personally owned  weapon in plainclothes. Nowadays it is p365 or slimline Glocks. There are a few people hanging on to Glock 27s who don’t care to switch, and I know of a couple of shields. Three non-gun types agents just carry a .380. There is one Ruger EC9 used by a female, but I don’t believe she carries it often.

Thanks for the information. It seems as Glocks rule the roost in many departments today.

Merry Christmas and stay safe.

[ReddLTown]

Lebanon PD issues Glock 22 and secondary Glock 43x

Wilson County Sheriff Office issues Glock 17, Glock 22, Glock 40 for certain divisions. Secondary allowed Glock 43, 43x, SIG p250, m&p compact shield in 9mma

[CS 73]

Knoxville Police Department is transitioning to the Sig P320 X full size in 2024.  Investigators will have the option between the full size or compact 

[TNContenderShooter]

Cheatham County Sheriff's department is dropping their G22's, 23's and 27's and going to G45 9MM's with Holosun 507's and G26's for certain deputies/detectives/agents.

[Fredumseed]

On 12/20/2022 at 1:15 PM, crc4 said:

I'm curious as to the 9mm ammo departments are using. If anyone knows, that would be great. 

Would also like to know why that particular ammo is used.

Speer gold and Hornady critical duty are used by several Sheriff's Dept. and municipality departments I work with. 

 

Glock 22's are still the king for duty handguns in east TN

 

[Edit: didn't realize how old this thread was]

Edited Wednesday at 03:12 AM by Fredumseed