News on Ciener 22 kits

[jredbryant]

Has anyone everhad any dealings with Ciener from 22lrconversions.com? Several years ago I was looking for a 22 kit for an ACC556 and looked into the ciener kits. After some reseach, I found that his business practices were shady at best. It looks like someone has finally reacted and he has been arrested for fraud. Hopefully this is signaling a change in law enforcement to finally charge these scamers that think it is ok to take money and never deliver product.

Check out the link to the news story...

newsbrevardtimes: Brevard County Sheriff's Office Raids Gun Conversion Manufacturer

[Dolomite_supafly]

That is the reason he never took credit card payments. So he can say that each order was a custom order and he could take his sweet ass time.

On another board a customer showed up at his shop looking for his kit after waiting for 6 months. The guy knocked at the front door then heard the door's deadbolt lock. He walked around the side and entered an open side door. He spoke to the secretary about his order and she said she needed to check with Ciener himself about the status. She walked into the back and Ciener began cussing about the customer. The secretary walked back up front and said Ciener wasn't in that day. The customer began yelling about calling the cops for fraud and Ciener walked into the front. Ciener said he would get his kit when he felt like it and walked back into the back again. The customer did get a copy of the order.

What is likely going to happen is Ciener will get off with time served or probation. It will not do much to change his attitude unless it costs him greatly either financially or with his freedom. Neither is going to happen on the first offense. Hopefully he pleas out then he can be sued in civil court. Maybe when he looses his Ferraris he will understand but I doubt it.

Dolomite