Shooting at South Knoxville Walmart

[gnmwilliams]

Hi......Just had to say something so I could be a part of this thread for posterity

[Garufa]

That rant is classic! Gonna have to go back and read it piece by piece so the hilarity and seriousness of it sinks in.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Going to hit on a few things for you.

During a citizens arrest for suspected shoplifting, the Wallymart guards have authority and responsibility to do a pat down search for weapons, for their own safety, same as any other person making a citizens arrest. Very unprofessional for Wallymart guards to not do a patdown FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR CUSTOMERS.

Since I shop at this Wallymart, I no longer feel safe there, so I won't shop there any more, since I don't want to get killed by cops. I carry my handgun in Wallywart, so what if I get falsely accused of shoplifting, then get gunned down when I empty my pockets per cop's request? This is the same S Knox Wallymart where the private security guards and KPD arrested a licensed handgun permit holder (licensed firearms instructor returning home from teaching a class), for not carrying his gun concealed. All he got was an apology in the newspaper. I'll be shopping somewhere else, like Amazon -- tax free with free delivery, no arrest nor tazing nor shooting required.

There are no purchases that are tax free. You are required by law to pay a "use tax" on all items that you do not pay sales tax on in Tennessee. Even internet purchases are required to have a tax paid on them. By your own admission you are obviously evading paying Tennessee state sales tax.

Consumer Use Tax

Would you taze somebody until he falls on the floor crying then shoot him 7 times for complying with your request to empty his pockets, for the alleged crime of stealing christmas light bulbs for his baby daughter? It appears he may never have left the store without paying, which means no theft actually occurred. All caught on video, so now his baby daughter will get a million bucks and Knox taxslaves will get a $1-million tax increase to pay her.

You obviously have a closer connection to the case than I do. My connection was very specific on what happened and most everything I was told has yet to make it into public light. And none of this mentions he was lying on the floor screaming before being shot. Also you have the number of shots wrong as will come out in the autopsy,

Fear of jail drove man killed by police, friends say : Knoxville News Sentinel

Shooting at South Knoxville Walmart : Knoxville Photo Galleries : Knoxville News Sentinel: Local Knoxville, Tennessee News Delivered Throughout the Day./

He should be afraid of jail. But it sounds as though he wasn't afraid enough. Perhaps if he was he wouldn't have been stealing.

This suspect was not a convicted felon. It's my information and belief that any convicted felon is allowed by law to carry a loaded handgun, if "pre-1860s type" with unrifled black powder. So you must always presume a person is armed when you make a citizens arrest.

This guy was carrying for protection, and paniced when he had it in his pocket, same as many permit holders during a traffic stop. No I don't tell a cop when I'm carrying during a traffic stop arrest, which reduces my risk of being shot by a deluded criminal psychopath. His NCIC database should tell him I have a permit and will probably be armed. BTW the 2nd Amendment bans handgun permit laws as unconstitutional, proven by US Supreme Court in DC vs Heller.

Actually it mentions nothing about handgun carry permits. It mentions the ownership of a firearm for self defense. As far as him being paniced it probably had to do with him looking at 11/29 stint in jail for previous crimes. I can also guarantee his possession of a firearm was in violation of his probation.

As for thieving, KPD is one of the biggest organized crime rackets in town, second only to the banksters. KPD and KCSO run the cartheft rackets, with sheriff Joe Jenkins sent to prison for stealing $1-million from car lots in 1 night, and sheriff Tim Hutchison confessed on the front page og KNS to stealing cars from West Town Mall with convicted copkiller Roy Lee Clark for his towtrucking chopshop. Sheriff Jimmy Jones accused Hutch of this cartheft, then rehired Hutch after Hutch was fired by a judge for violating term limits. I personally had 2 cars stolen by KPD and its mafia towing contractor Sutherland Ave Wrecker, while parked on my private property, and never got my cars back nor got a court settlement, after my lawyer got 2 guns put to his head and told "We'll blow your brains out if you don't do what you're told." Towtruckers put murder contracts on each other in Knoxville, according to employees of SAWS, who accuse their boss of putting a hit on the owners of Cedar Bluff Towing, who were "beaten and left for dead" in their office. All with police protection from prosecution. Only when towtruckers steal cars from the cops or cops families do they get arrested, prosecuted and convicted in Knox County (restitution, diversion and expungment for felony theft).

Norman is this you?

Seriously, this sounds just like the rhetoric an officer I worked with constantly spouted. He spouted this nonsense after he was exciled out of the detectives. Said he had recordings, letters that would convict half the department. Claimed he had proof of all of this but was waiting to see if he could get back into the circle before going public.

If it isn't you then you must be someone in earshot of him and ripe for a conspiracy.

Now KPD has taken bribes to replace KPD and city court with foreign contractors in Australia, England and Communist China in its redlight camera scam. Not even city council is allowed to know who negotiates those contracts at KPD. Up to 80% of the redlight ticket taxes in Knoxville is exported out of the country.

Then there's the KPD/KCSO approval of the murder of off-duty KPD officer Tony Williams, with all charges dropped against the 2 drug-dealing shooters who confessed on video and were arrested with the murder weapon the night of the shooting. Sheriff Joe Jenkins met with the shooters the night of the thrill-kill shooting, since they were dealing dope for the sheriff. TN leads the nation in sheriffs convicted of drug dealing.

The White House/CIA/DEA/FBI/Pentagon runs all heroin and cocaine dealing in USA, with sheriffs allowed to deal pot only with CIA apparoval, as any cop will tell you (especially after you get him liquered up or smokin pot). Any cop who disagrees with this govt policy is a dead duck. Heck, Hussein Obama Soetoro just gave Mexican drug cartels 20,000 assault rifles at taxpayer expense in Operation Fast & Furious, as a false flag to justify banning firearms in USA. The Mexican shooter arrested this week for putting bullet holes in the White House had ISRAEL tatooed on his neck, and was probably another false flag patsy from Operation Northwoods, where the Pentagon and CIA confessed in writing to perping shootings, assassinations, hijackings and bombings in USA to blame patsies, and hiring enemy troops to attack US military bases to justify wars.

So spare me the love of cops who prefer to call themselves pigs. The only purpose of cops is to protect the guilty from punishment by the public. How many serial killing pedophile rapists get life in prison instead of the death penalty? The banksters have stolen over $100-trillion from USA in the past 3 years, without a single arrest. The owner of MF Global stole $2-billion from investors this week, but no arrest. Bernie Madoff was arrested for stealing $150-billion, more than all burglers and armed robbers in USA combined, yet police refused to arrest him for decades, because fed cops were in on the Ponzi scam. If you shot this Wallymart shopper while he was burglerizing your home, KPD would probably arrest you if he died outside your front door (unless you lived in Lumpy "I Carry My Gun Everywhere" Lambert's dope-dealing rental property).

I had a KPD veteran tell me how he was trained at KPD during his first burglery "investigation" at a grocery store. The KPD SGT filled his patrol car with loot, and told the rookie, "This is how its done." In case you dont understand, the cops steal all they can carry after a burglery, then blame the burgler, as seen on TV during hurricane Katrina when New Orleans cops filled shopping carts and looted Wallymarts of big screen TVs then were convicxted of murder for gunning down any residents trying to walk across bridges to flee the flooding. BTW the word "cop" is defined as "thief".

Now I can see some crooked officers taking advantage of the situation but those are few and far between. I do know there are crooked officers and have witnessed them myself. But I did something and made sure those officers were held accountable for their actions. I do know an officer has been in trouble for stealing from Home Depot, same officer decided to show a picture of his naughty bits to a gas station employee as well. He has been handed some sort of justice for his misgivings.

It hapens in every profession including your chosen profession what ever that may be.

COP.

to steal; filch. to buy (narcotics). cop out, to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out: He never copped out on a friend in need. You agreed to go, and you can't cop out now. cop a plea.

-Dictionary.com

The criminal is responsible for his own death. It was not the officer who was on probation for previous crimes. It was not the officer who decided to walk into Walmart and steal. And most certainly wasn't the officer who decided to shoot his way out of another trip to jail. Even if the officer was crooked he had nothing to do with the criminal entering and stealing from Walmart.

It was the criminal who decided to go armed and it cost him his life. But it also cost the officer, the officer's family and friends a lot as well. He may not have lost his life but the officer has to deal with taking a life. And that can lead to serious issues for him and his family.

The criminal wasn't trying to support his family when he did all of this. If he was he could have sold the gun he had to buy what he felt his daughter needed. Unfortunately his daughter is going to pay as well with a lifelong feeling of guilt because everyone is saying the father was killed for his daughter. Imagine what she is going to have to deal with mentally when all she is going to hear for the rest of her life iw that her father died because of her.

Dolomite

[Dolomite`s Breezy]

Someone forgot to take his meds?

Oh and in on page.. uhm... 6 ?

[Murgatroy]

Unfortunately his daughter is going to pay as well with a lifelong feeling of guilt because everyone is saying the father was killed for his daughter. Imagine what she is going to have to deal with mentally when all she is going to hear for the rest of her life iw that her father died because of her.

Dolomite

That is the worst part of this whole ordeal. That these mindless heathens would say this over an over in interviews, do they not even realize the pain and suffering they are putting on this child while trying to make her father look like a hero?

He was a criminal, and obviously a career criminal if he was in his early twenties with a record described. He was not a hero. He was a drain on society. Do not make a martyr of a useless piece of trash.

The officer that shot him and his daughter are the victims here.

[chances R]

Wow, piratenews, tell us how you really feel. That said, I don't take everything I've heard or read through the media as fact. Piratenews obviously has an agenda and I disagree with him almost entirely.....but I would like to know the facts and I am sure they will come out eventually. It is certainly a life changing event for all involved, and the blame has to be laid on the deceased; his actions obviously led to a tragic event. Additionally, kudos to the mod. for keeping the post........unlike some other forums, freedom of speech is as important as any of our other freedoms.

[bubbiesdad]

This guy obviously spent a lot of time crafting this response, so I'm not going to delete it, yet. That said, this will be his last post, here.

For future refernce, the large economy size.

[Dolomite_supafly]

Wow, piratenews, tell us how you really feel. That said, I don't take everything I've heard or read through the media as fact. Piratenews obviously has an agenda and I disagree with him almost entirely.....but I would like to know the facts and I am sure they will come out eventually. It is certainly a life changing event for all involved, and the blame has to be laid on the deceased; his actions obviously led to a tragic event. Additionally, kudos to the mod. for keeping the post........unlike some other forums, freedom of speech is as important as any of our other freedoms.

Although the First Ammendment protects your right to free speech it does not protect that right on private property. On private property the owner has a right to tell you what you can and cannot say while on his property. If you don't comply then he has a right to make you leave his property. This includes web based forums. There are not protections here provided as by the Constitution.

Because this forum is privately owned the owner and his agents can censor, delete and change posts however they feel like it. Nothing is protected here.

The Constitution is to protect us from abuses by the government.

Dolomite

[Guest TargetShooter84]

Pirate news is bunch of idiots that have nothing better but bash cops and that's not allowed on TGO.

[Murgatroy]

Although the First Ammendment protects your right to free speech it does not protect that right on private property. On private property the owner has a right to tell you what you can and cannot say while on his property. If you don't comply then he has a right to make you leave his property. This includes web based forums. There are not protections here provided as by the Constitution.

Because this forum is privately owned the owner and his agents can censor, delete and change posts however they feel like it. Nothing is protected here.

The Constitution is to protect us from abuses by the government.

Dolomite

It is sometimes hard for people to understand that difference. This is a private site, giving it the same rights as private property.

[chances R]

Although the First Ammendment protects your right to free speech it does not protect that right on private property. On private property the owner has a right to tell you what you can and cannot say while on his property. If you don't comply then he has a right to make you leave his property. This includes web based forums. There are not protections here provided as by the Constitution.

Because this forum is privately owned the owner and his agents can censor, delete and change posts however they feel like it. Nothing is protected here.

The Constitution is to protect us from abuses by the government.

Dolomite

I understand that completely. Never said I agreed with Piratenews; what I did say is that I appreciate the leeway granted by the Mod. for discussion purposes. Not arguing one bit about his authority to discontinue the privilege as he has done.