Shooting at South Knoxville Walmart

[Dolomite_supafly]

I do believe they "burn" meth and suck the smoke up. They will put the meth in a small tim of aluminum or silimar metal. Put it over heat and it will begin to burn and smoke. The user then uses a tube to inhale the byproducts of the burning meth.

This method can be used for a few other drugs as well but not Oxycontin. Sounds like that it is probably meth as that seems to go hand in hand with a lot of Oxy users. Especially in this area.

They also use tubes to "smoke" crack but I think the plastic would be very melted and burned with the required heat and flame to "smoke" crack.

Was there anything in the tube like pieces copper cleaning pads?

Not the drug expert here but with a brother who is a 10+ year user I have done a lot of research into what and how people use drugs.

Dolomite

[Guest President Fernatt]

To paraphrase what someone in the comments section on the News-Sentinel website posted, what should Walmart have done? Should they have closed and held a memorial service for the would-be cop killer?

Okay, I can see closing from the point of view that the employees who were there at the time were probably scared sh...er...witless and should have been allowed to go home.

Why close? I assume the shooting happened in a cinderblock walle

d office.

I bet most in the store did not know it even happened.

And my shopping should not be curtailed because a lifetime criminal played stupid games and won a stupid prize.

lol I just think it would have been reasonable to empty the store and close the doors for at least a period of 4-5 hours or until the next shift comes in. I'm sure it was a mess having the paramedics/police/emts coming in and out and I'm sure the police would have appreciated a bit of solitude while taking photo's and conducting an investigation. I'm not saying close for days or even a full work shift...just a few hours to get things in order and give the police some room.

But yes, that would have impacted your shopping so I guess it's best they didn't

[tercel89]

There was a Walmart shooting here in Clarksville back about 4 yrs ago . Two thugs were shooting at each other in the parking lot. My old High School Coach Willard Ross was in the parking lot selling fireworks under a big fireworks tent with his wife. When the 2 thugs were shooting , one of the bullets got Coach in his neck and killed him . That was really terrible . Carry carry carry if you are able to do so .

[Hershmeister]

I wonder if they sold a bushmaster right after?

[ls3_kid]

I missed this thread and made another one (tool). I'm surprised the Wal-Mart personnel did not search the man while/before being detained. Suicide by Cops, might as well shoot yourself instead of point the gun their way.

[Guest bkelm18]

I missed this thread and made another one (tool). I'm surprised the Wal-Mart personnel did not search the man while/before being detained.

Are they even allowed to?

[ls3_kid]

Are they even allowed to?

I would imagine so, since they can detain him.

[UncleJak]

When I was working in a grocery store, if I detained someone, I searched them. I don't know if that is legal, but i did it for my safety. Worst I ever found was a larger pocket knife. The one thing I learned about thieves: they still the dumbest stuff and usually have cash on them that they could have used to pay for it. We got a dude one night stealing 2 cigars from a 5 pack of cigars that cost $2. He had a twenty in his pocket. Cops came, searched him (better than I did) and found pain pills for re sale on him. Ran his name and had a fta warrant in Nashville. Guess what his original charge was.......shoplifting. I HATE THIEVES.

[Guest boatme99]

Officer shoots, kills Walmart shoplifting suspect | wbir.com

Wrong headline. Should be something like: "Officer defends self, kills attacker".

The "kid" had a weapon and was aiming at the officer. The fact that he was shoplifting is incidental to the outcome.

[Guest bkelm18]

KPD chief: Officers are trained to stop threat, not wound » Knoxville News Sentinel

I love how the KPD Chief actually has to come out and answer why the officer didn't shoot the gun out of the kid's hand. Gotta love sheeple.

[laktrash]

KPD chief: Officers are trained to stop threat, not wound » Knoxville News Sentinel

I love how the KPD Chief actually has to come out and answer why the officer didn't shoot the gun out of the kid's hand. Gotta love sheeple.

Yeah +1 to Chief Rausch's response glad he laid it out real world instead of a movie scene. But some still won't understand.

Not to mention saving of taxpaper money.

[Guest piratenews]

During a citizens arrest for suspected shoplifting, the Wallymart guards have authority and responsibility to do a pat down search for weapons, for their own safety, same as any other person making a citizens arrest. Very unprofessional for Wallymart guards to not do a patdown FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR CUSTOMERS.

Since I shop at this Wallymart, I no longer feel safe there, so I won't shop there any more, since I don't want to get killed by cops. I carry my handgun in Wallywart, so what if I get falsely accused of shoplifting, then get gunned down when I empty my pockets per cop's request? This is the same S Knox Wallymart where the private security guards and KPD arrested a licensed handgun permit holder (licensed firearms instructor returning home from teaching a class), for not carrying his gun concealed. All he got was an apology in the newspaper. I'll be shopping somewhere else, like Amazon -- tax free with free delivery, no arrest nor tazing nor shooting required.

Would you taze somebody until he falls on the floor crying then shoot him 7 times for complying with your request to empty his pockets, for the alleged crime of stealing christmas light bulbs for his baby daughter? It appears he may never have left the store without paying, which means no theft actually occurred. All caught on video, so now his baby daughter will get a million bucks and Knox taxslaves will get a $1-million tax increase to pay her.

Fear of jail drove man killed by police, friends say : Knoxville News Sentinel

Shooting at South Knoxville Walmart : Knoxville Photo Galleries : Knoxville News Sentinel: Local Knoxville, Tennessee News Delivered Throughout the Day./

This suspect was not a convicted felon. It's my information and belief that any convicted felon is allowed by law to carry a loaded handgun, if "pre-1860s type" with unrifled black powder. So you must always presume a person is armed when you make a citizens arrest.

This guy was carrying for protection, and paniced when he had it in his pocket, same as many permit holders during a traffic stop. No I don't tell a cop when I'm carrying during a traffic stop arrest, which reduces my risk of being shot by a deluded criminal psychopath. His NCIC database should tell him I have a permit and will probably be armed. BTW the 2nd Amendment bans handgun permit laws as unconstitutional, proven by US Supreme Court in DC vs Heller.

As for thieving, KPD is one of the biggest organized crime rackets in town, second only to the banksters. KPD and KCSO run the cartheft rackets, with sheriff Joe Jenkins sent to prison for stealing $1-million from car lots in 1 night, and sheriff Tim Hutchison confessed on the front page og KNS to stealing cars from West Town Mall with convicted copkiller Roy Lee Clark for his towtrucking chopshop. Sheriff Jimmy Jones accused Hutch of this cartheft, then rehired Hutch after Hutch was fired by a judge for violating term limits. I personally had 2 cars stolen by KPD and its mafia towing contractor Sutherland Ave Wrecker, while parked on my private property, and never got my cars back nor got a court settlement, after my lawyer got 2 guns put to his head and told "We'll blow your brains out if you don't do what you're told." Towtruckers put murder contracts on each other in Knoxville, according to employees of SAWS, who accuse their boss of putting a hit on the owners of Cedar Bluff Towing, who were "beaten and left for dead" in their office. All with police protection from prosecution. Only when towtruckers steal cars from the cops or cops families do they get arrested, prosecuted and convicted in Knox County (restitution, diversion and expungment for felony theft).

Now KPD has taken bribes to replace KPD and city court with foreign contractors in Australia, England and Communist China in its redlight camera scam. Not even city council is allowed to know who negotiates those contracts at KPD. Up to 80% of the redlight ticket taxes in Knoxville is exported out of the country.

Then there's the KPD/KCSO approval of the murder of off-duty KPD officer Tony Williams, with all charges dropped against the 2 drug-dealing shooters who confessed on video and were arrested with the murder weapon the night of the shooting. Sheriff Joe Jenkins met with the shooters the night of the thrill-kill shooting, since they were dealing dope for the sheriff. TN leads the nation in sheriffs convicted of drug dealing.

The White House/CIA/DEA/FBI/Pentagon runs all heroin and cocaine dealing in USA, with sheriffs allowed to deal pot only with CIA apparoval, as any cop will tell you (especially after you get him liquered up or smokin pot). Any cop who disagrees with this govt policy is a dead duck. Heck, Hussein Obama Soetoro just gave Mexican drug cartels 20,000 assault rifles at taxpayer expense in Operation Fast & Furious, as a false flag to justify banning firearms in USA. The Mexican shooter arrested this week for putting bullet holes in the White House had ISRAEL tatooed on his neck, and was probably another false flag patsy from Operation Northwoods, where the Pentagon and CIA confessed in writing to perping shootings, assassinations, hijackings and bombings in USA to blame patsies, and hiring enemy troops to attack US military bases to justify wars.

So spare me the love of cops who prefer to call themselves pigs. The only purpose of cops is to protect the guilty from punishment by the public. How many serial killing pedophile rapists get life in prison instead of the death penalty? The banksters have stolen over $100-trillion from USA in the past 3 years, without a single arrest. The owner of MF Global stole $2-billion from investors this week, but no arrest. Bernie Madoff was arrested for stealing $150-billion, more than all burglers and armed robbers in USA combined, yet police refused to arrest him for decades, because fed cops were in on the Ponzi scam. If you shot this Wallymart shopper while he was burglerizing your home, KPD would probably arrest you if he died outside your front door (unless you lived in Lumpy "I Carry My Gun Everywhere" Lambert's dope-dealing rental property).

I had a KPD veteran tell me how he was trained at KPD during his first burglery "investigation" at a grocery store. The KPD SGT filled his patrol car with loot, and told the rookie, "This is how its done." In case you dont understand, the cops steal all they can carry after a burglery, then blame the burgler, as seen on TV during hurricane Katrina when New Orleans cops filled shopping carts and looted Wallymarts of big screen TVs then were convicxted of murder for gunning down any residents trying to walk across bridges to flee the flooding. BTW the word "cop" is defined as "thief".

COP.

to steal; filch. to buy (narcotics). cop out, to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out: He never copped out on a friend in need. You agreed to go, and you can't cop out now. cop a plea.

-Dictionary.com

Edited November 21, 2011 by piratenews

[Guest President Fernatt]

Someone is about to get banned....

[Murgatroy]

During a citizens arrest for suspected shoplifting, the Wallymart guards have authority and responsibility to do a pat down search for weapons, for their own safety, same as any other person making a citizens arrest. Very unprofessional for Wallymart guards to not do a patdown FOR THE SAFETY OF THEIR CUSTOMERS.

Since I shop at this Wallymart, I no longer feel safe there, so I won't shop there any more, since I don't want to get killed by cops. I carry my handgun in Wallywart, so what if I get falsely accused of shoplifting, then get gunned down when I empty my pockets per cop's request? This is the same S Knox Wallymart where the private security guards and KPD arrested a licensed handgun permit holder (licensed firearms instructor returning home from teaching a class), for not carrying his gun concealed. All he got was an apology in the newspaper. I'll be shopping somewhere else, like Amazon -- tax free with free delivery, no arrest nor tazing nor shooting required.

Would you taze somebody until he falls on the floor crying then shoot him 7 times for complying with your request to empty his pockets, for the alleged crime of stealing christmas light bulbs for his baby daughter? It appears he may never have left the store without paying, which means no theft actually occurred. All caught on video, so now his baby daughter will get a million bucks and Knox taxslaves will get a $1-million tax increase to pay her.

Fear of jail drove man killed by police, friends say : Knoxville News Sentinel

Shooting at South Knoxville Walmart : Knoxville Photo Galleries : Knoxville News Sentinel: Local Knoxville, Tennessee News Delivered Throughout the Day./

This suspect was not a convicted felon. It's my information and belief that any convicted felon is allowed by law to carry a loaded handgun, if "pre-1860s type" with unrifled black powder. So you must always presume a person is armed when you make a citizens arrest.

This guy was carrying for protection, and paniced when he had it in his pocket, same as many permit holders during a traffic stop. No I don't tell a cop when I'm carrying during a traffic stop arrest, which reduces my risk of being shot by a deluded criminal psychopath. His NCIC database should tell him I have a permit and will probably be armed. BTW the 2nd Amendment bans handgun permit laws as unconstitutional, proven by US Supreme Court in DC vs Heller.

As for thieving, KPD is one of the biggest organized crime rackets in town, second only to the banksters. KPD and KCSO run the cartheft rackets, with sheriff Joe Jenkins sent to prison for stealing $1-million from car lots in 1 night, and sheriff Tim Hutchison confessed on the front page og KNS to stealing cars from West Town Mall with convicted copkiller Roy Lee Clark for his towtrucking chopshop. Sheriff Jimmy Jones accused Hutch of this cartheft, then rehired Hutch after Hutch was fired by a judge for violating term limits. I personally had 2 cars stolen by KPD and its mafia towing contractor Sutherland Ave Wrecker, while parked on my private property, and never got my cars back nor got a court settlement, after my lawyer got 2 guns put to his head and told "We'll blow your brains out if you don't do what you're told." Towtruckers put murder contracts on each other in Knoxville, according to employees of SAWS, who accuse their boss of putting a hit on the owners of Cedar Bluff Towing, who were "beaten and left for dead" in their office. All with police protection from prosecution. Only when towtruckers steal cars from the cops or cops families do they get arrested, prosecuted and convicted in Knox County (restitution, diversion and expungment for felony theft).

Now KPD has taken bribes to replace KPD and city court with foreign contractors in Australia, England and Communist China in its redlight camera scam. Not even city council is allowed to know who negotiates those contracts at KPD. Up to 80% of the redlight ticket taxes in Knoxville is exported out of the country.

Then there's the KPD/KCSO approval of the murder of off-duty KPD officer Tony Williams, with all charges dropped against the 2 drug-dealing shooters who confessed on video and were arrested with the murder weapon the night of the shooting. Sheriff Joe Jenkins met with the shooters the night of the thrill-kill shooting, since they were dealing dope for the sheriff. TN leads the nation in sheriffs convicted of drug dealing.

The White House/CIA/DEA/FBI/Pentagon runs all heroin and cocaine dealing in USA, with sheriffs allowed to deal pot only with CIA apparoval, as any cop will tell you (especially after you get him liquered up or smokin pot). Any cop who disagrees with this govt policy is a dead duck. Heck, Hussein Obama Soetoro just gave Mexican drug cartels 20,000 assault rifles at taxpayer expense in Operation Fast & Furious, as a false flag to justify banning firearms in USA. The Mexican shooter arrested this week for putting bullet holes in the White House had ISRAEL tatooed on his neck, and was probably another false flag patsy from Operation Northwoods, where the Pentagon and CIA confessed in writing to perping shootings, assassinations, hijackings and bombings in USA to blame patsies, and hiring enemy troops to attack US military bases to justify wars.

So spare me the love of cops who prefer to call themselves pigs. The only purpose of cops is to protect the guilty from punishment by the public. How many serial killing pedophile rapists get life in prison instead of the death penalty? The banksters have stolen over $100-trillion from USA in the past 3 years, without a single arrest. The owner of MF Global stole $2-billion from investors this week, but no arrest. Bernie Madoff was arrested for stealing $150-billion, more than all burglers and armed robbers in USA combined, yet police refused to arrest him for decades, because fed cops were in on the Ponzi scam. If you shot this Wallymart shopper while he was burglerizing your home, KPD would probably arrest you if he died outside your front door (unless you lived in Lumpy "I Carry My Gun Everywhere" Lambert's dope-dealing rental property).

I had a KPD veteran tell me how he was trained at KPD during his first burglery "investigation" at a grocery store. The KPD SGT filled his patrol car with loot, and told the rookie, "This is how its done." In case you dont understand, the cops steal all they can carry after a burglery, then blame the burgler, as seen on TV during hurricane Katrina when New Orleans cops filled shopping carts and looted Wallymarts of big screen TVs then were convicxted of murder for gunning down any residents trying to walk across bridges to flee the flooding. BTW the word "cop" is defined as "thief".

COP.

to steal; filch. to buy (narcotics). cop out, to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out: He never copped out on a friend in need. You agreed to go, and you can't cop out now. cop a plea.

-Dictionary.com

Wow.

[Guest bkelm18]

^

What the F are you smoking dude?

Greatest first/last post ever.

[MacGyver]

This guy obviously spent a lot of time crafting this response, so I'm not going to delete it, yet. That said, this will be his last post, here.

[Guest President Fernatt]

That person obviously joined just to bash police and proclaim their love for criminals. From name-calling to stealing a thread and steering it towards an all out attack on KPD...."PirateNews" certainly has other motives than gun loving lol I could be completely wrong but I can't imagine he will be on here again. He seems like the type that just make accounts on random forums just to rant and stir the pot a bit. I searched through his post for valid points so I could respond to him in fairness...but I couldn't find any...

Edited November 21, 2011 by President Fernatt

[greenego]

This guy obviously spent a lot of time crafting this response, so I'm not going to delete it, yet. That said, this will be his last post, here.

Thank You Really don't want to read anymore of his rants.

[laktrash]

!!

[Murgatroy]

This guy obviously spent a lot of time crafting this response, so I'm not going to delete it, yet. That said, this will be his last post, here.

That is why I quoted it, too much work went into that for it to be lost.

[QuietDan]

Is it possible that piratenews is the second alleged perpetrator, as described in the news article? Or, perhaps, one of his idiot friends.

Edited November 21, 2011 by QuietDan

[laktrash]

Is it possible that piratenews is the second alleged perpetrator, as described in the news article? Or, perhaps, one of his idiot friends.

Definitely looks like some kind of connection

Were christmas lights mentioned before ? I just saw small lightbulbs

[Murgatroy]

I think a lot of folks are trying to make a martyr out of a thief.

There is a lot of fuss about how many shots were fired, claiming the officer 'emptied' his gun into the suspect 'after he had been tazed.'

Yet there is no official statement about how many shots were fired, including whether or not the suspect fired his gun.

I love my daughter with all my heart. She is my reason for getting up. However, there is no way in hell I would go to Wal-Mart and steal Christmas lights or otherwise for her. I go out and work, hard, and legally to provide for her. So that I can teach her what honesty is.

That these people would try to paint him as a saint that loves his daughter and was doing it for her is bull****. It makes me sick that folks would even attempt to lay this thief's death at the feet of his daughter.

From what I have read about the incident, I believe that the officers acted properly.

[Sandman]

Why did he keep saying Wallymart? That's just annoying.

[Garufa]

Why did he keep saying Wallymart? That's just annoying.

No kidding. Everyone knows it's WallyWorld.