Slug Lethality

[Caster]

I was in Walmart the other day as a young kid was vigourously racking the slide on several shotguns. He told the clerk, who was also young, that you want the loudest racking shotgun you can buy. He said you won't have to shoot an intruder, just rack the slide and they will run away.

Same kid was checking out some of the new "tactical" rifles at Walmart as well. When he pushed the magazine release and the magazine dropped free he became alarmed. He said the magazines shouldn't drop free like that and that you should have to pull them out of the gun.

Dolomite

Ignorance coupled with stupidity is frightening.

[Guest bnoland]

My department uses 16inch remington 870 12 ga with "00" buck shot and at 25 yards I can put all 9 pellets inside of body mass at 25 yards. We only use slug for if someone is using something solid for cover or are further than about 25 yards.

Edited November 12, 2011 by bnoland

[poak]

Penetration. Recoil.

Not just marketing hype, REALLY reduces recoil, and as far as I understand it's only at the cost of about 100fps.

I was speaking to a LE that had some ehnaced accuracy buckshot loads. He said the could make headsots at 10 yards easily with all pellets hitting within a few inches of each other. And that was throguh a smooth bore gun.

Dolomite

Federal's "Tactical Buckshot" uses some patented "FliteControl" wad that really tightens up the pattern.

[Guest bnoland]

Not just marketing hype, REALLY reduces recoil, and as far as I understand it's only at the cost of about 100fps.

Federal's "Tactical Buckshot" uses some patented "FliteControl" wad that really tightens up the pattern.

My department uses the federal flight control loads. Very nice and tight shooting pattern. Very rarely do we see a flyer and even when we do it is typically still on the target just a bit away from the group.

[Guest BenderBendingRodriguez]

Same kid was checking out some of the new "tactical" rifles at Walmart as well. When he pushed the magazine release and the magazine dropped free he became alarmed. He said the magazines shouldn't drop free like that and that you should have to pull them out of the gun.

Some guns do have trouble getting empty mags to drop freely. Maybe he has one like that and thinks it's how it's supposed to be... Awww hell. I'm just trying to give this kid the benefit of the doubt, but it's clear he needs a bit more actual firearms education. We were all there once (to varying degrees), and most of us still have areas where we lack much knowledge (I personally know almost nothing about the more popular models of centerfire semi-automatic rifle). But hopefully most of us are smart enough to keep our mouths shut until we learn.

[mikegideon]

Some guns do have trouble getting empty mags to drop freely. Maybe he has one like that and thinks it's how it's supposed to be... Awww hell. I'm just trying to give this kid the benefit of the doubt, but it's clear he needs a bit more actual firearms education. We were all there once (to varying degrees), and most of us still have areas where we lack much knowledge (I personally know almost nothing about the more popular models of centerfire semi-automatic rifle). But hopefully most of us are smart enough to keep our mouths shut until we learn.

As a gun enthusiast, you probably should. Sure, it's easy to be impressed by the substantial firepower, but that's not all of it. The two most popular types were designed in the '50's. It's some great engineering, and a big part of firearms history. The AR-15 is one of my favorite designs, and not just for mowing down zombies. I have one that's never touched a 30 round mag.

[Guest BenderBendingRodriguez]

As a gun enthusiast, you probably should. Sure, it's easy to be impressed by the substantial firepower, but that's not all of it. The two most popular types were designed in the '50's. It's some great engineering, and a big part of firearms history. The AR-15 is one of my favorite designs, and not just for mowing down zombies. I have one that's never touched a 30 round mag.

I agree. And to that end I have begun looking into videos and writings about the basics of operation, etc. But the point is that even people who are generally knowledgeable have gaps in their knowledge. Sometimes even substantial gaps. And that's ok as long as you recognize those gaps (and either work to remedy them or keep your mouth shut on those topics).

[mikegideon]

I agree. And to that end I have begun looking into videos and writings about the basics of operation, etc. But the point is that even people who are generally knowledgeable have gaps in their knowledge. Sometimes even substantial gaps. And that's ok as long as you recognize those gaps (and either work to remedy them or keep your mouth shut on those topics).

Well, it should at least be in the form of a question. With that said, I was a whole lot smarter in my 20's than I am now

[Guest BenderBendingRodriguez]

Well, it should at least be in the form of a question.

No doubt. I think the kid is a dumbass, but I was trying to be charitable.

[Guest Baron]

Its been 15 years since I was in the Army. I thought I was very familiar with firearms, especially the M-16 format.

I was wrong (granted, I was an engineer).

There was a lot more about AR-15s (16) that I didn't know than what I learned in the Army. I knew even less about shotguns and next to nothing about handguns.

Of course, with the Internet, there is a whole lot of more information and availability than what there was 15-20 years ago.

Edited November 14, 2011 by Baron

[Tncobra]

I like this stuff for the house. They also make a 2inch shell with just 6 buck shot. Great for those who Hate lotsa recoil.