Homeland Defense Rifle

[Guest jaypee]

Here's a post from another website that I found interesting and thought y'all might too. I don't really care for his reference to the people as "sheeple", but otherwise the main issue he raises about renaming the "Assault Rifle" is interesting. We have SHTF, LOL, IMHO, and the rest, so he's asking why not HDR? Here is what the man says on the subject:

"Homeland Defense Rifle"

"I don't know where it got started, or

who coined it, but the term "Homeland

Defense Rifle" became a good laugh for

us all. "

"After thinking about, I feel it isn't a

joke. I feel we should go out of our way

to make that a keyword amongst the Law Abiding gun owner/shooter community (and all splinters of it). "

"Why? Well, because that's what they have ALWAYS

been, but now a gracious and well defined

name has come to light."

"If you use the term to the point enough, it will stick."

"We all know that "Assault Rifles" by modern

time’s definition is false. "

"Assault rifle*

meant select fire...etc.....BUT a few antigunners

got a hold of it and plastered it all

over until it became a newly defined

word/term. We embraced it mostly for the

humor & shock value.""

"Yeah, I own guns, I have some old lever actions, a revolver, OH, and a few 'assault rifles' (then a good laugh as you mock the term)."

"But, its not OUR term, it was handed to us by the enemy to scare the sheeple."

"So why should we continue using it? "

"I didn't buy my AK style rifles for hunting,

I didn't buy them for marksmanship related

shooting events, I bought them as a

tool of defense and deterrence to those

that want to threaten me in any form."

"So I feel we should take this new term

that WE chose, that describes OUR 'tools'

for what they really are and have ALWAYS

been."

"These, my friends, are the free-mans modern day musket."

"My dream as of now, is to see that this new DESCRIPTIVE/DEFINITION, LABEL,TERM, WHATEVER be used SO COMMONLY that the anti-gunners actually

bring it up on CNN, FOX NEWS etc. "

"Let them scoff, let them 'spin' this, try to

mock it, hell, LET THEM MOCK IT, BUT DON'T back down, don't flinch,continue using it until it is forced into the sheeple's mind."

"If the powers that be want to use fear of terrorism to justify their actions, them I will use it to CLARIFY my reason for owning these weapons."

"They expect us to cringe in fear when

they show videos of terrorists training

with 'Military weapons'. Well guess

what, you can't put a cat in a dog fight."

"Let’s use their "fear factor" against them,

let’s not only coin this new label, let’s

MINT it!!"

"For now on, every time you make a post, or are in a conversation with a sheeple or even a fellow Patriot, and the

need comes to use the term 'Assault Rifle'----

catch yourself and use the RIGHT term "Homeland Defense Rifle"......Put pressure on Major dealers to start using the phrase in their advertising,”

"ON SALE This Week: Homeland Defense

Rifles."

"Let’s turn this tide in OUR favor

for once."

"Think it about, please, this is a bigger

deal then you think. I know it sounds a

bit silly at first, or even a bit pointless, but

look at the BIG picture. "

"The existing term was used to disarm us, as well as "Non-Sporting features/rifle"

"Let them try to deny us our "Homeland Defense Rifles"

"How does that sound. If it is used enough,

it will be a forced vocabulary; the media

will mock it at first or ignore it, but if we

PERSIST without hesitation, then the

term will be set in stone, as well as the

hearts & minds of many. Please help me

make this a reality."

-- XXXXXXXXX

Like I said earlier, I don't agree with every line of his text, but he presents an interesting idea.

JayPee

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Edited March 22, 2008 by jaypee

[Mr. Brooks]

"These, my friends, are the free-mans modern day musket."

Best part of the whole thing right here. I like it!

Edited March 22, 2008 by Mr. Brooks

[Guest jaypee]

Glad you caught that. I agree it's the heart of the whole thing and I wouldn't mind picking it up and running with it. The guy has some merit to his words for sure. JP

[andersmg]

I like it, " homeland defense rifle" sounds like a god idea to me, I will start using this name when talking about my AR.

[Guest 2HOW]

Nice Find jaypee, "homeland defense rifle" kinda rolls off your tongue.

[Guest gunslinger707]

I Like his Idea.I'm tired of the Anti's defination of ASSAULT RIFLE !!!!!

[Guest HexHead]

I was watching Guns & Ammo TV the other night, and they were making the point that all the great sporting (hunting) rifles were developed from military rifles. The lever action was developed from military rifles of the civil war era. The bolt action "hunting" rifle was little more than a variation of the Mauser. Why should it come as any surprise then that the most popular sporting rifle in the US today has evolved from the M-16?

And the anti's want to ban it because it looks "scary"???

This is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum. Where you have outcome based education where 2+2 doesn't have to =4 if it hurts the child's self esteem. Where political correctness rules the day and nobody's feelings should ever be hurt. Can't have guns that look "scary" or "evil".

And we have an idiot for Speaker of the House.

[ZenDog]

This is good stuff at a deep level. Language creates perceptions. When you can control the language of the debate, you control the issue. "Assault Weapon" creates a frame of meaning much like the terms "pro-life, pro-choice, freedom fighter, terrorist" etc etc.

Homeland Defense Rifle-- sounds great to me. I'll start using it.

A few months ago I saw a short news piece on another shooting in Memphis-- they interviewed a young black mom who was living in that neighborhood-- asked her how safe she felt, etc.

She pulled out an AR of some sort and said "I bought this and I am learning how to use it-- I will defend my family".

Hooah! Homeland defense rifle. That young mother trying to defend her family with an AR has a homeland defense rifle. It is hard to argue with that.

[The Rabbi]

Bah, humbug.

I say we embrace the term, just like we did with "EBR".

I tell people I carry an "assault revolver."

[Guest GregRN]

Bah, humbug.

I say we embrace the term, just like we did with "EBR".

I tell people I carry an "assault revolver."

[Guest HexHead]

How about "lightweight sporting rifle"?

Liberals link the term "homeland defense" to the Patriot Act and that's almost as bad to them as an "assault rifle".

[Guest CrazyLincoln]

I don't think any term will subdue the anti's. "Assault Rifle" sounds evil. "Homeland Defense Rifle" sounds like something a "right wing nut" would shoot "undocumented workers" with and the anti's don't consider shooting anything but animals "sporting".

Funny how the nuts would rather have us kill animals than put more than 1 hole in paper without reloading or cycling an action.

[Marswolf]

I don't think any term will subdue the anti's. "Assault Rifle" sounds evil. "Homeland Defense Rifle" sounds like something a "right wing nut" would shoot

I think you are right.

For the public, an assault rifle has what they consider to be a deadly caliber and high capacity magazines. Trying to change that perception by renaming the guns just makes us look nutty.

Looks may play a part (evil black rifle), but if you had a .243 hunting rifle with a 30 round magazine, they would think of that as an assault rifle.

[Guest HexHead]

Funny how the nuts would rather have us kill animals than put more than 1 hole in paper without reloading or cycling an action.

Paper? Think of the trees. Oh the humanity.

[strickj]

The hi-cap mags thing always gets to me.I mean do these people really think you can not put more then one mag into each gun?

[Mike.357]

i prefer to refer to them as standard capacity clips.

for example my Sigma came with two 16 round clips, so therefore they are standard capacity. a ten round clip would be low capacity.

[Guest GLOCKGUY]

i prefer to refer to them as standard capacity clips.

for example my Sigma came with two 16 round clips, so therefore they are standard capacity. a ten round clip would be low capacity.

its not a clip its a magazine

Edited March 26, 2008 by GLOCKGUY

[Magiccarpetrides]

Dont be jackin threads with the whole clips vs. mags debate. thats like argueing over whether its a sporting rifle or dare I say it....Assault Rifle

[Marswolf]

Oh that's right, I should have said "high capacity clips"

Some of us are trying to annoy the grammar police.

[Magiccarpetrides]

Old thread bring back...still maybe not such a bad idea.

[Guest grimel]

Old thread bring back...still maybe not such a bad idea.

I've been on the HDR e-mail list for about 4 years, maybe longer.

[Guest KarlS]

I'm just tired of being on the defense all the time just trying to stay one step ahead of the anti's to maintain what is mine defined by the Constitution!The use of Homeland Security Rifle or pistol sounds ok, but would require getting used to. Problem is the press and anti's only know two words...Assault and Weapon. Yes a rifle or pistol can be used in an assault and can be refered to as a weapon because it is. But..look at how those two words are defined:

Assault is a crime of violence against another person.

A weapon is a tool used to apply force for the purpose of hunting, attack, self-defense, or defense in combat.

Neither one makes a rifle or a pistol sound like anything other than no good in their eyes. Word play is huge. Homeland security does sound better by definition:

Homeland security is an umbrella term for security efforts to protect the United States against perceived internal and external threats.

In a class awhile back the instructor tried to have us refraining from using the word weapon unless it was amongst fellow gunowners. We were instructed to call them as they were..simply a rifle or pistol. It made sense but still the whole thing po's me. Where's the fun in that? Heck the shooting in Orlando the press interviewed a beauty salon owner who claimed the shooter was using a machine gun! That's just not right. How would she know?

Edited November 8, 2009 by KarlS
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[Guest Tusculum]

I believe this was coined by guy in Dolan Springs Arizona in 2001. His name was Rod Jones. He was a good old boy that monkeyed with the Browning 1919 beltfeds. He was a machinist. He come up with this idea to convert guys 1919s into semi auto and engrave their sideplates at a very low price. Well he got so much work to do, It was his downfall. Got more than he could handle and ended up being his downfall in the firearm community. He resorted to lying about production dates and finishing dates and shipping dates trying to keep people happy and from seeking legal action. I got this gun back from him 9 months after sending him a pristine parts kit and got back a piece of junk. He took alot of people for alot of money. But he did come up with the "Homeland Defense Rifle" engraving for the Brownings. Thanks, Jack Edited November 9, 2009 by Tusculum
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[Guest Sgt. Joe]

I am glad this thread was brought back up.

A Home Defense Rifle or HDR is certainly more PC and apt to win over any anti's than the term I started using when the others started using the term Assault Rifle.

When confronted with the term Assualt Rifle in conversation I respond with "Oh you mean a D.O.A. rifle?"

This is almost certain to widen the eyes and drop the jaw of whomever it is said to. ( I love that look:))

I then respond with "It is a Defense of Assault or Defense of Attack rifle which ever you prefer"

Like I said I know this will never catch on or win anyone over but it is IMO a much more fair description of the weapons than the term Assault Rifle is. Just like Home Defense Rifle is.

Try it sometime in conversation....the look is priceless

[MacGyver]

"These, my friends, are the free-mans modern day musket."

I'm with JustAGuy, I think this sums it up.

I'm not sure what I think about "Homeland Defense Rifle", as it does denote a certain right-wingedness that I'm not sure we want, but I'd much rather see CNN referring to them as that rather than "assault rifle".

I saw an article recently that I'll try and find and repost wherein the author makes a point that every responsible citizen has a civic responsibility to be familiar with operation and employment of their country's "Primary Battle Rifle". We are a long way removed in this country from any concept of civil defense that involves anything other than natural disasters, but the point is a good one. Instead of having to justify why we have "Assault rifles" or "Evil Black Rifles", we should turn it around to say we have them out of the responsibility of being good citizens - "Why don't you have one?"

Come to think of it, I'm going to start referring to mine as my country's Primary Battle Rifle and see where it gets me.

If nothing else, it will serve as good justification down the road with CENTCOM (aka my wife) as to why I have to buy that SCAR.