I'm a Good Old Rebel......That just what I am.

[Will Carry]

[sigmtnman]

Deo Vindice

[Oh Shoot]

Deo Vindice

God didn't come through. As usual.

- OS

[Fivestring63]

God didn't come through. As usual.

- OS

Really ohshoot? Are you really wanting to go there?

[Oh Shoot]

Really ohshoot? Are you really wanting to go there?

Deo Vindice was the CSA's claim, not mine.

- OS

[Guest President Fernatt]

I'm assuming you gentlemen recognize this song should remain an integral, valuable, and interesting part of History...but also that it should hold no truths when refering to our great nation today...correct?

[Guest President Fernatt]

As usual.

- OS

now, now

[Guest bkelm18]

Really ohshoot? Are you really wanting to go there?

Deo Vindice= Our God, Our Vindicator. OhShoot's remark seems pretty spot on. They lost.

[Oh Shoot]

Deo Vindice= Our God, Our Vindicator. OhShoot's remark seems pretty spot on. They lost.

Vindice is verb form so probably closer to "God Will Vindicate (us)". But whatever, every cause touts God as being on its side.

Except Old Abe himself:

"...my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side.."

I'd opine that if the celestial buck does stop somewhere, The Proprietor has zero interest in the petty doings of homo sapiens.

- OS

[Guest bkelm18]

Vindice is verb form so probably closer to "God Will Vindicate (us)". But whatever, every cause touts God as being on its side.

Except Old Abe himself:

"...my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side.."

I'd opine that if the celestial buck does stop somewhere, The Proprietor has zero interest in the petty doings of homo sapiens.

- OS

Pretty much.

[Mike.357]

The German army believed God was on their side too. Didn't work out so well for them either.

[1gewehr]

The German army believed God was on their side too. Didn't work out so well for them either.

Yep, WWII German soldiers went into battle with "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

[sigmtnman]

Sheeze, I was just making an appropriate reference and the usual suspects get all touchy... That Lincoln quote sounds like a true politician. While Deists may believe that a "supreme architect" or whatever they believe/don't believe in has a hands off approach to things, Christians believe otherwise. Trials and adversity are part of the greater plan and a certain outcome is not necessarily forthwith.

Instead of attacking this thread why not start one about yankee heritage? One must ponder; If the north is/was so grand, why do they continue to move to the South?

Yes, the South did lose that series of battles and since then much more has been lost. Maybe the South has just been playing opossum.

Edited November 1, 2011 by sigmtnman

[BrasilNuts]

God fearing or Godless aside.... thanks for posting.

Now...

Deo Vindice.

God Will Vindicate. Is there a time limit on that?

Edited November 1, 2011 by BrasilNuts

[sigmtnman]

The German army believed God was on their side too. Didn't work out so well for them either.

Yep, WWII German soldiers went into battle with "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

America has used it too, remember Manifest Destiny? So what's the point here other than to relate Southerners to the Germans?

[Mike.357]

You brought up deo vindice.

OS commented on that.

I mentioned germans.

Natural thread progression i guess.

The south and germany had something in common. They both lost. So god being on their side did not seem to help much.

[Oh Shoot]

...

Deo Vindice.

God Will Vindicate. Is there a time limit on that?

Nah, we're good, eventually.

[Links2k]

Nah, we're good, eventually.

In the words of Jesse Jackson "Keep hope alive"!

[Will Carry]

To me it's a song written by a very angry southerner after the war. There were more than a few angry southerners after that war. The historical significance of the man's anger is often lost in today's TV History. I have been studying US history most of my life and "I don't need no pardon for anything I done" is something most southerners understand but many non-southerners don't.

Many southerners after the war felt that the Union betrayed the US constitution by not allowing the states to secede. They felt it was the states right to secede from the union. They even sent an envoy to meet with Lincoln to ask that the supreme court decide if the US constitution allowed for secession. Lincoln new better than to take the bait and would not see them.

I personally don't think that Major Randolph was writing, literally, how he felt. I think he was writing a poem that expressed the angst of the southern plight. Poetry was really big back in his day and I think the poem was turned in to a song. Major Randolph did spend time at Point Lookout. A Union POW camp.

"Randolph, Innes, lawyer and poet, was born in Winchester, Va., October 25, 1837, and died in Baltimore, Md., April 29, 1887. He was a man of rare talents, with early predilections for both music and art, but after serving in the Confederate Army he settled in Baltimore for the practice of law and incidentally began to contribute poems and sketches to the newspapers. At length he relinquished the legal profession and became an editorial writer on the Baltimore American, a position which he held for the remainder of his days. Among his best know poems are 'Twilight at Hollywood,' 'The Good Old Rebel,' and an 'Ode to John Marshall.' After his death, a volume of his verse was edited by his son, Professor Harold Randolph."

Edited November 1, 2011 by Will Carry

[E4 No More]

Yep, WWII German soldiers went into battle with "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles. Kind of ironic, isn't it?

You wouldn't expect "Gott ist gegen uns" to go over too well, would you?

[Fivestring63]

Teufel Hunden didn't go over well with the WW1 Germans. Some of you will know what this means.

[E4 No More]

Teufel Hunden didn't go over well with the WW1 Germans. Some of you will know what this means.

Indeed I do!

[Guest TresOsos]

Seeing how things have turned out today, not sure the North's winning was the best thing.

[Will Carry]

Seeing how things have turned out today, not sure the North's winning was the best thing.

I'm not sure. The south would have been ruined if they had gotten their independence. England was getting cotton from India and didn't depend as much on the south's. Cotton was also destroying the topsoil throughout the south. The slavery issue was going to resolve itself regardless. Could the independent south have done it better? I can't say.

[Oh Shoot]

Seeing how things have turned out today, not sure the North's winning was the best thing.

A most interesting flick.

C.S.A.: The Confederate States of America (2004) - IMDb

- OS