Gringrich Smartest one in the Bunch

[MphsTiger1981]

The post is about Gingrich, not OBama or Biden. I am a conservative Independent and wouldn't vote for Obama so he is a non-issue. Excusing Gingrich's major blunders by pointing to the oppositions' flaws is not going to get it in this election. The Republican Party needs to forget OBama bashing and come up with a viable Conservative candidate as a solution, not as the least of two evils! IMHO, Independent voters will not go for Gingrich.

Since you indicated you are an "I", I would like to ask you to clarify for me what you just said. If it comes down to Gingrich or Barry, who would you vote for? You said you would not vote for Barry, so he is a non-issue and you won't vote for Gingrich. So if those are the two choices you will be content to sit home and not vote?

The part about not bashing Barry? If that offends you, I'd seriously turn off your radio, TV and stop reading the papers for about the next twelve months. It works both ways. Even after he was elected Barry was still bashing Bush. No matter what the problem was, Blame Bush was the answer. The problem is, Barry can't run on his record because he's ruled against the will of the people, and he hasn't done anything to make things better, only to push his own Socialist agenda, fostering class warfare and apologizing to the world for being American.

Is Gingrich the best we have to offer? Who knows? The primaries aren't over yet. I think Gingrich may be the smartest guy running, but does that make him the best candidate for the job? Not necessarily. But despite all of his faults, which folks here and other places are going to point out until after the election, he is still better for America than Barry. Is he gruff, outspoken and arrogant? Perhaps, but I'd rather have a guy who can express himself and who loves this country and will do the right thing for all Americans in the White House beginning in January 2013. I can honestly say that I believe that Gingrich would do the right thing for America. The current tenant, no so much.

[Guest jackdm3]

FOX's predicting Newt's demise as a "Perry Plunge" regarding immigrants.

Gingrich On Top Of GOP Polls, Takes Big Risk Articulating Illegal Immigration Policy | Fox News

[kieefer]

If they would just enforce the current laws we would be better off.

Common sense tells me there is no way you can round up illegals and deport them all, no more than you can eliminate medicare fraud or prevent drugs from coming across the border.

Moot point, Newt's ideas are just as good as the rest of them.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Immigration is actually simple to fix, but too hard politically to implement. How to fix it? Mandate the use of E-Verify, and fine any business huge $ for each illegal on their payroll. Violating businesses who have hired hundreds of illegals? They get dissolved by having their business license revoked. Cut off the jobs, they won't come. Easy fix. Dems won't do it, cause it cuts off future voters. GOP won't do it cause it would "harm business."

"Newt's ideas are just as good as the rest of them." Yup, most all suck. Newt wanting to expand the Patriot Act? Too dangerous.

[wjh2657]

If all I have is a Democrat that I don't want and a Republican that I don't want, I'll vote, for all other offices and leave the Presidential blocks blank or vote for an Independent. BTW I am 68 years old and voted Republican for over 40 years. Just can't buy the BS from either party anymore. What they say they will do and what we know from past experience they will do are exact opposites. I vote as an American, for America, not for a super corporation disguised as a political party and that description fits both parties.

[Guest mikedwood]

From the debate the other night looks like the Newtster wants to take part in another amnesty program, is this freakin comedy? I'm not getting the joke. One amnesty is never enough!

Sub-conversation with OhShoot below, sorry for the thread drift.

Timing and ballot access in all 50 states Paul probably can't run 3rd party unless he bails from the GOP pretty quickly.

[Oh Shoot]

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Sub-conversation with OhShoot below, sorry for the thread drift.

Timing and ballot access in all 50 states Paul probably can't run 3rd party unless he bails from the GOP pretty quickly.

That's for a "new" party registration.

Libertarian party already has standing access in most states -- dunno what they have to do or when to get access in the states they don't have standing access in already, but indeed they have gotten 50 state access several times. If Paul went with them, he doesn't have to jump until May when they hold their convention, seems.

- OS

[Guest mikedwood]

That's for a "new" party registration.

Libertarian party already has standing access in most states -- dunno what they have to do or when to get access in the states they don't have standing access in already, but indeed they have gotten 50 state access several times. If Paul went with them, he doesn't have to jump until May when they hold their convention, seems.

- OS

Here are the primary dates, may would put it in the middle

2012 Primary Schedule « 2012 Election Central

I don't know if Newt won GOP, Obama ran for the Dems and Paul went 3rd party it could swing it for Newt. I think in that race Paul would pull more from the middle and the students.

I think Paul is the best bet to beat Obama of any of the others. Newt just has a reputation of being a staunch conservative but I don't see it, I see talk and his actions are different. His actions put him smiling on a couch with Pelosi and giving 3 million amnesty with a plan that leaves him 20 to 30 million to give amnesty to this time around. Can't say I wish him luck.

[Oh Shoot]

Here are the primary dates, may would put it in the middle

2012 Primary Schedule « 2012 Election Central

I don't know if Newt won GOP, Obama ran for the Dems and Paul went 3rd party it could swing it for Newt. I think in that race Paul would pull more from the middle and the students.

I think Paul is the best bet to beat Obama of any of the others. Newt just has a reputation of being a staunch conservative but I don't see it, I see talk and his actions are different. His actions put him smiling on a couch with Pelosi and giving 3 million amnesty with a plan that leaves him 20 to 30 million to give amnesty to this time around. Can't say I wish him luck.

Well, Paul won't drop out until after a few primaries anyway, or until money runs out, which it will after a few primaries if he doesn't win or come in second.

My point is - in a close general election (think back to Bush/Gore) one state can swing it. Paul running as Libertarian could drain off enough the GOP vote in just one state and swing whole election to O. This ain't Bob Barr, y'know. But think Ross Perot, many analyses agree that he elected Slick Willy the first time around.

No, there's no way to figure the odds, and race may be a Red runaway in which case it won't matter. But it might be really really tight, too. Especially since the GOP is gonna throw a nominee out there that doesn't appeal to over over 50% of even traditional Republican voters. Call it religious racism if you like, but there are a pile of Protestants (especially fundamentalists) in this country who ain't gonna vote for a Morman or a twice divorced converted Catholic. Question is whether they'll vote for a black man the second time around, whether they did the first time or not.

Remember that at least a third of the voters in this country don't vote on basis of issues/policy, only personal like/dislike. That's why we shouldn't even be voting for the American Idol president. At least another third only votes for "what's in it for me", and that doesn't include freedom or individual responsibility either, which means the perceived gimmie gimmie Democrat.

- OS

Edited November 25, 2011 by OhShoot

[Guest mikedwood]

Well, Paul won't drop out until after a few primaries anyway, or until money runs out, which it will after a few primaries if he doesn't win or come in second.

My point is - in a close general election (think back to Bush/Gore) one state can swing it. Paul running as Libertarian could drain off enough the GOP vote in just one state and swing whole election to O. This ain't Bob Barr, y'know. But think Ross Perot, many analyses agree that he elected Slick Willy the first time around.

No, there's no way to figure the odds, and race may be a Red runaway in which case it won't matter. But it might be really really tight, too. Especially since the GOP is gonna throw a nominee out there that doesn't appeal to over over 50% of even traditional Republican voters. Call it religious racism if you like, but there are a pile of Protestants (especially fundamentalists) in this country who ain't gonna vote for a Morman or a twice divorced converted Catholic. Question is whether they'll vote for a black man the second time around, whether they did the first time or not.

Remember that at least a third of the voters in this country don't vote on basis of issues/policy, only personal like/dislike. That's why we shouldn't even be voting for the American Idol president. At least another third only votes for "what's in it for me", and that doesn't include freedom or individual responsibility either, which means the perceived gimmie gimmie Democrat.

- OS

If it's Ok I'm moving our discussion on this to http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/63216-contempt-dr-ron-paul-media.html if you want to continue it.

As for Gingrich I've been doing research and he is one completely terrifying individual. He will say one thing and do the opposite then say the 1st thing again.

[kieefer]

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Gingrich wins Union Leader endorsement - TheHill.com

[Guest jackdm3]

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Gingrich wins Union Leader endorsement - TheHill.com

"Just a fringe outfit to go with my french fries. That's all!"

[greenego]

As for Gingrich I've been doing research and he is one completely terrifying individual. He will say one thing and do the opposite then say the 1st thing again.

Isn't this the definition of a politician?

[Guest HvyMtl]

Seems Bill Clinton agrees, and sings Newt praises.

Bill Clinton says Gingrich surge a result of thoughtful positions – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

[Guest ArmyVeteran37214]

[kieefer]

Republican Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn has spoken out against Newt.

“There’s a lot of candidates out there I’m not inclined to be a supporter of Newt Gingrich’s having served under him for four years and personally experiences his leadership,â€

I'd be interested in who he supports and if more of Newt's old friends will step up to endorse or slam? That also goes for the rest of the crew as well, especially Dr. No..

[Steelharp]

Intelligence, sadly, doesn't matter. Neither do any of the truly important issues. The first pres election that was a "pretty boy" contest was JFK. Since then, we have devolved to an MTV/McD society. It has already been proven that "the older white haired guy with baggage" loses against BO. The informed electorate is the smallest percentage of lever throwers. Cain was the only "Great Black Hope."

[kieefer]

Ha, Coburn first said this back in March.

Typical media slam to rehash the story now that Newt's rising in the polls.

Tom Coburn | Newt Gingrich | presidential primary | The Daily Caller

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I saw that clip of Coburn, late last night. I just don't remember much of him other than his name.

He looked like a woman scorned. Now, he may be a Mitten, or something else, and that's fine,

but he'd better watch how he characterizes his fellow members. It could come back and slap you with

more than a trout. Even Newt has been careful in the debates. I think the Republican Party just became

wortless if Coburn is any kind of example. I know our Tennessee Republican congress fools are.

The only thing proven, Steelharp, is that in a non-incumbent race the pretty boy has the upper hand.

When you do so much wrong(take that as evil), all bets are off.

The well informed welfare recipient may even have a difficult choice voting this time around.

[Steelharp]

The well informed welfare recipient

Count those on one hand; maybe...