Vere are zee papers -- TSA hits the roads in TN

[sigmtnman]

The Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security on Tuesday partnered with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and several other federal and state agencies for a safety enforcement and awareness operation on Tennessee’s interstates and two metropolitan-area bus stations. The agencies conducted a Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) operation at scale complexes where trucks and large vehicles are weighed. The VIPR operation was also conducted at two regional bus terminals in Nashville and Knoxville.

http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2011/10/19/department-of-safety-and-homeland-security-partners-with-federal-and-state-agencies-in-statewide-security-operation/

[daddyo]

The TSA has to justify its existence somehow. They aren't catching any terrorists at the airports, that's for sure, and I guess they couldn't find enough 3-yr olds and/or little old ladies to feel up.

Edited October 20, 2011 by DaddyO

[sigmtnman]

Our country has been reduced to a bunch of skert, TeeVee zombies

The FBI, CIA and other alphabet soup agencies are so deficient that our security is now dependent on random checks in hopes of catching something? This is even though they now monitor every bit of communication in real time? Please. It's straight up control of the citizens and everyone is taking it lying down because they are scared of the boogeyman.

Why are the people who support these actions not scared of driving considering over 400k people have died in auto accidents since 911? I'll tell you why, it's the TV "programming".

Edited October 20, 2011 by sigmtnman

[sigmtnman]

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[Guest 6.8 AR]

You're right.

[kckndrgn]

another article on this

TSA Checkpoints Now On TN Highways | Tennessee News Press | Tennessee News Directory | TN Headlines

[gnmwilliams]

So are they going to actually search your vehicle without your permission?

[Guest pfries]

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[BrasilNuts]

So are they going to actually search your vehicle without your permission?

That's what I was wondering.

Are we going to see truck drivers on the side of the road getting their junk fondled?

I doubt it, but I think it was a pretty poor showing for them to spend only 4 hours at seven different locations.

Edited October 20, 2011 by BrasilNuts

[Guest Lester Weevils]

How do random highway searches fit with the fourth amendment and probable cause?

Which I've also wondered about sobriety checkpoints.

[daddyo]

This is very troubling. While it is supposedly only confined to commercial vehicles for the time being, how long will it be before we have to start going through private vehicle checkpoints?

Call or write your representatives, if you think it will do any good. I have my doubts.

[Guest TresOsos]

Just another turn of the police state screw, call you're state reps and senators and let them know this bs by the Fed's is not appreciated or wanted in the state of TN.

Send an email to our esteemed govenor and let him know you will not re-elect him if he lets this continue.

[TMF]

I read the article, watched the video, and this seems to just be an operation to practice cross-organizational cooperation. Kind of in the same way that our Navy does exercises with Japan. Don't expect this to be something that occurs often. I do agree with the statement that this was an event to justify the existance/budget of the TSA. I'm sure that's where this idea got it's Genesis; the TSA being the driving force behind this.

[gregintenn]

Anybody hear of any results from the searches?

[sigmtnman]

Anybody hear of any results from the searches?

The only thing they mention is finding a loose barrel in a truck that needed to be secured.

whew, I feel better now...

That barrel cost us tax payers a lot of money.

[sigmtnman]

They want us to remember... Timothy Mcveigh was caught because of an expired tag. So I reckon that justifies searching everyone without an expired tag that they want.

How about mandatory logic testing of authorities?

[Guest TresOsos]

I read the article, watched the video, and this seems to just be an operation to practice cross-organizational cooperation. Kind of in the same way that our Navy does exercises with Japan. Don't expect this to be something that occurs often. I do agree with the statement that this was an event to justify the existance/budget of the TSA. I'm sure that's where this idea got it's Genesis; the TSA being the driving force behind this.

Yeah lets just roll over and take another loss of our rights in the name of being good little sheepeople.

And lets like it and thank them when they stop us for nothing and are grouping our loved ones on the side of the road.

[sigmtnman]

My question... Are they trying to turn everyday citizens into terrorists?

Like TMF 18B says, they have to justify the $100s of billions spent in the name of security, so why not piss everyone off enough to make terrorists here?

Who here is OK with having routine trips delayed by this and having their kids and wives fondled on the side of the road?

[TMF]

Yeah lets just roll over and take another loss of our rights in the name of being good little sheepeople.

And lets like it and thank them when they stop us for nothing and are grouping our loved ones on the side of the road.

Did that happen?

[G27]

Did that happen?

Ten years ago would you have ever thought that would happen at our airports?

[daddyo]

Did that happen?

You can bet your ass that it's coming.

[TMF]

Ten years ago would you have ever thought that would happen at our airports?

True.

With that, I just don't see this becoming anything more than what it is. It sounds to me like the "good idea fairy" came out at a TSA meeting and developed this plan in order to justify their existance/budget. There are a lot of reasons why I don't see this taking hold, money being a big one. We already have law enforcement agencies to deal with commercial traffic along with investigative agencies to provide intelligence. It sounds to me like the TSA is trying to get in the business of doing both. Since they are inept, they won't produce anything to show for all the money they're wasting and there isn't enough public interest to support such an effort. If someone named Muhammed blows up a Greyhound bus on our highways then we need to worry about the TSA being able to take it too far.

Now, let's say that the same effort (show of force at bus stations and weigh stations) was being carried out by TDOT and TBI? Would it be better? I'm serious with the question; would it elicit the same response from those who think this is an assault on personal freedoms?

[sigmtnman]

Speaking for myself; Yes I would care.

The culture of fear in our society and the acceptance by the citizens is of greater concern to me than who does it.

[Guest pfries]

Speaking for myself; Yes I would care.

The culture of fear in our society and the acceptance by the citizens is of greater concern to me than who does it.

+1

Give them an inch they will take a mile (not that they don't already they just wont hide the fact)

[TMF]

I don't disagree that we should be cautious, but the law is always going to stop just shy of violating our Constitutional rights. This is why those parameters are set in the first place. The second that they step over the line I'm all about there being some accountability.

I don't think this is going to go anywhere. You may see this in a few states before VIPR fizzles out, but I doubt it will be a common practice since it won't produce anything. The gist I'm getting is this was done in order to foster cooperation between federal/state/local agencies and raise awareness amongst the commercial trucking industry; mainly getting truckers to report if they see anything suspicious, like 2 Arab men with a tanker truck wearing "D.C. or Bust" shirts who stopped for an overnight at a truck stop.