Does anyone have an official ATF ruling on using High cap mags in nonconverted Saiga

[Guest marican]

If I put this in this without doing this,

Do I go here?

The saiga mags mention they are intended for use in 922r complaint rifles, but as far as I've read this has to do with manufacturing rifles. Does putting a magazine in a rifle make you a manufacturer?

Edited October 19, 2011 by marican

[Mike.357]

can anyone site anyone being prosecuted for a 922R violation?

[Guest pfries]

can anyone site anyone being prosecuted for a 922R violation?

Not off the top of my head

[Guest bkelm18]

If I put this in this without doing this,

Do I go here?

The saiga mags mention they are intended for use in 922r complaint rifles, but as far as I've read this has to do with manufacturing rifles. Does putting a magazine in a rifle make you a manufacturer?

Putting a high cap mag in a non-converted Saiga is a violation of 922r. To make the gun 922r compliant and use hi-cap mags, you can have no more than 10 foreign parts in the gun (ie. you convert it). To my knowledge, no one has ever been prosecuted for a 922r violation. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened and doesn't mean it will never happen, but 922r is largely unenforceable. Not sure why you put this in the NFA/Class III forum though.

Edited October 20, 2011 by bkelm18

[Guest marican]

Putting a high cap mag in a non-converted Saiga is a violation of 922r. To make the gun 922r compliant and use hi-cap mags, you can have no more than 10 foreign parts in the gun (ie. you convert it). To my knowledge, no one has ever been prosecuted for a 922r violation. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened and doesn't mean it will never happen, but 922r is largely unenforceable. Not sure why you put this in the NFA/Class III forum though.

I see this response just as often as I see others claiming you can. Hence the reason I was seeking an official statement. I read the law and as far as I can tell it only applies to importation and manufacturing, but interpretation of laws vary.

I figured it was the most appropriate forum. My apologies for inflaming your OCD

[Guest bkelm18]

I see this response just as often as I see others claiming you can. Hence the reason I was seeking an official statement. I read the law and as far as I can tell it only applies to importation and manufacturing, but interpretation of laws vary.

I figured it was the most appropriate forum. My apologies for inflaming your OCD

I've never seen any other interpretation.

Edited October 20, 2011 by bkelm18

[poak]

can anyone site anyone being prosecuted for a 922R violation?

Definitely can't cite anything, but when I asked the same question on a different board a while back I was told that there HAVE been prosecutions for 922R violations, however they have gone hand in hand with NFA violations... Seems like common opinion was that no one has ever been prosecuted for just a 922R violation.

[Smith]

There is an official statement by the ATF stating that 922r is unenforceable on an individual basis. It was designed to reduce import issues and is only enforced at the import level. I'll have to try and find that actual statement.

Technically speaking though unless you have a manufactures license, changing parts is not manufacturing a gun with unqualified parts, thus you CAN"T violate 922r. 922r is worded towards manufacturing with certain parts outside the US and still be made importable.

[Guest crotalus01]

AFAIK 922R is only used when the ATF really wants to nail your ass AND they already have you on other charges - they toss on the 922R violation(s) to up the charge count and make your case look worse to the judge/jury.

For all intents and purposes 922R is virtually unenforceable against individuals. If you are really worried about it just change a few parts and its taken care of.

[Dolomite_supafly]

This is very informative and helped me out when I grabbed my first 922 gun.

Gunwiki: 922® Worksheet for Saiga Conversions

Dolomite

[Guest theman838]

922r is by far our dumbest gun law.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Nah, it's second to the Machine Gun Act of 1934 and all successive gun laws.