Walking Dead Premiere

[Murgatroy]

Shane did not do it to save his family, he did it to save his sorry self.

I think the show left it in a moral grey area.

It was done in such a way as to be ambiguous, to those that dislike Shane, he was seen as a cold blooded killer, to those that think he is a strong type, he was seen as a hero for getting the medical supplies for Carl.

I think it was done as much to spark discussions such as this, as it was a plot device.

Given the situation as it was portrayed, they still had a hike to the truck, but I think they were close enough that they both could have make it, but again, this observation was made from my couch, not the fictional school parking lot watching the two characters run. I think Shane wasted as much time fighting and making his escape as they would have lost with the two limping on together.

After all, after Carl's shooting, Otis and Shane arrived at the house together, after Rick, who was carrying Carl. Given Otis' proclamation of guilt and sorrow after shooting Carl, why did Shane pace him? For security purposes? Pathfinding, or was Shane a slow runner/Otis a faster runner than appearances?

I think the scene was done more for shock value.

A television show of this nature, the zombie film genre in general, is for a social commentary, and having the ability to have your voice heard by millions, and then dissected by just as many for purposes and goals, you should use it for something more than shock and awe.

[Garufa]

I think Shane is Carl's daddy.

[robin48]

I know this is geting off subject, but I don't think people understand the gravity of that statement, when it comes from the mouth of a real man. It can be a lot scarier than the zombies.

So what does that mean. I am a father and grandfather, as such I am responsiblefor their safety. What is scary about that?

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[Caster]

So what does that mean. I am a father and grandfather, as such I am responsiblefor their safety. What is scary about that?

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Don't mistake my meaning Robin48. It's not an insult. It's how the strong survive. To some (here) it's comes as no great surprise, but it's going to be a REAL eye opener to some of the blind sheeple some day. If given no other option; As horrible as what Shane did, fathers will feed a good friend to the dogs to save his family. The bulk of the country is so weak stomached and shaky kneed, they wouldn't know how to handle seeing something like that.

[daddyo]

Knowing that most people would do whatever they had to in order to survive, that tells me that in a post-apocalyptic society that I would be unable to trust anyone.

[Mike]

Civilization: a thin veneer over barbarianism. ~John M. Shanahan,

[JAB]

Given the situation as it was portrayed, they still had a hike to the truck, but I think they were close enough that they both could have make it, but again, this observation was made from my couch, not the fictional school parking lot watching the two characters run. I think Shane wasted as much time fighting and making his escape as they would have lost with the two limping on together.

There were shots in that scene from cameras with viewpoints from both 'behind' and 'in front of' Shane and Otis. You could see the truck in shots that were taken from 'behind' them. They were at least as close to the truck as the walkers were to them. They looked to be maybe fifty yards at most from the truck when Shane shot Otis, maybe even closer than that. Also, as I said before and as you also pointed out in your post, Shane spent more time shooting Otis, getting the pack from him and trying to get away from Otis' grip on his hair than it would have taken for both of them to get to the truck - especially since Shane wouldn't have been trying to carry both packs by himself. Even so, Shane was still halfway to the truck - even limping and carrying both packs - before the walkers got to Otis. Killing Otis wasn't survival, it was cold-blooded murder. Worse yet, Shane was too much of a coward to kill Otis outright and instead left him for the walkers to finish (just as he had left Rick in the hospital.)

My take is that Shane did not murder Otis because he was afraid they wouldn't be able to save Carl. I don't even think he murdered Otis to save himself because he thought the walkers were going to catch them. I think he did it for one of two 'reasons' (or maybe a combination of the two) :

1. Truth be told, Otis carried Shane's ass (literally and figuratively) through the whole thing; drawing off the walkers so Shane could get away, shooting the walkers that had Shane cornered and as good as bitten, half-carrying Shane back to the truck and refusing to give up on him. Otis kept them both going when Shane was ready to give up, quit and accept that they weren't going to make it. The truth is, Shane was just about as much a hindrance as a help. By murdering Otis, however, Shane got to return as Carl's sole 'savior' and look like the hero. Shane murdered Otis because he was ashamed for anyone to know how weak he is when it comes right down to it. He murdered Otis so he could be the hero and get back in Laurie's good graces.

2. Shane wants to leave the group. Shane also wants a ready-made family to take over just as he tried to take over Rick's family. He probably knows that the group won't be able to stay at the farm but he also knows that Otis fills a needed role at the farm and does things (such as hunting) that Herschel is too old to do. With Otis gone, Shane has a chance to 'volunteer' to stay and take his place. Once, again, he double-crosses someone who has only done right by him in an attempt to step into that other man's role. This time he was just a little more 'proactive' than he was with Rick.

Either way, Shane's murder of Otis had nothing to do with his immediate survival nor with saving Carl.

Edited November 2, 2011 by JAB

[Caster]

Knowing that most people would do whatever they had to in order to survive, that tells me that in a post-apocalyptic society that I would be unable to trust anyone.

And DaddyO comes in for the Win!

Even when a person has earned your trust by risking everything, don't trust them. I suppose it might be better to say, never fully trust anyone, and always have a contingency plan in the back of your mind.

[D3vo]

Knowing some people sympathize with Shane’s actions means I'll pass on the Emergency Preparedness Meetings/Rally Point threads from early August.

[robin48]

Knowing some people sympathize with Shanes actions means I'll pass on the Emergency Preparedness Meetings/Rally Point threads from early August.

While I understand what you're saying, I would still want a small mag ( mutual assistance group ) Always be on your toes with eyes wide open.

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[G27]

I like the fact they're bringing out Shane's dark side. Make for an interesting sub-plot.

It was obvious he was dangerous when he was thinking long and hard about taking Rick out with the shotgun in the woods.

[robin48]

Don't mistake my meaning Robin48. It's not an insult. It's how the strong survive. To some (here) it's comes as no great surprise, but it's going to be a REAL eye opener to some of the blind sheeple some day. If given no other option; As horrible as what Shane did, fathers will feed a good friend to the dogs to save his family. The bulk of the country is so weak stomached and shaky kneed, they wouldn't know how to handle seeing something like that.

Sorry if it seemed I was offended. I wasn't. It is scary what a man will do for those he loves. It is scary to think how little it would take to set a catastrophe in motion. Dexia one of the largest banks in Europe who recently passed the stress test has failed. I believe it is about to get bad.

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[JAB]

I liked last night's episode. It felt like there was a little more 'going on' and less 'waiting around'. That said, no way in heck I'd ask to stay (permanently) in a place where I wasn't going to be 'allowed' to carry. And if I were lowering someone into a well to get a noose around a walker's neck, I'd have the rope tied off to a horse - not a group of people the majority of whom are injured or weak from donating blood.

I was glad to see that it looks like T-Dog will be getting a little more character development. That said, based on the preview from next week's episode (shown during the premiere of "Hell on Wheels") if they kill Daryl off I just might quit watching the show. I certainly won't be as diligent about watching it, anyway.

On a side note, it looks like "Hell on Wheels' has a lot of potential, too.

[dou44]

i like daryl i hple they do not kill him off.next week looks to be good

[Mdunntn]

That asian was one lucky guy haha

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[Caster]

That asian was one lucky guy haha

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I was surprised too. She looks so funny in the cowboy hat. All I can see is Bella Talbot. The cut throat but suave, trader of enchanted artifacts from season 3 of Supernatural.

[Mdunntn]

I was surprised too. She looks so funny in the cowboy hat. All I can see is Bella Talbot. The cut throat but suave, trader of enchanted artifacts from season 3 of Supernatural.

I knew I had seen her before!

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