The Tim Tebow Hype?

[Guest WyattEarp]

Maybe it's just me since I'm a Denver Bronco fan, but has there ever in the history of the National Football League, been a player who has been so coveted by the fans, so scrutinized by the media, analysts and coaches, divided a fan base of not only the Broncos fans, but of other team's as well?

What is this hype? Where does it come from? What is so special about Tim Tebow that has created all of this controversy in the football world? What has brought all of this pressure to get him out on the field? Some fans hate the guy, think he'll never amount to anything. Some fans love the guy, think he's the next best thing to come along in the world.

I've never seen anything like it since I started watching football. We didn't go through it like this when Jay Cutler was drafted. Certainly not when Brian Griese was drafted. Both showed promise, Griese got cut, Cutler was traded through an ill-advised decision by McDaniels. The fans showed some light support after Cutler was drafted to replace Jake Plummer, but it was nowhere near the magnitude of this. This is just crazy.

When I was at the Titans game, I saw at least 50 Titans fans, in Titans gear, jersey/hat but they carrying a Tim Tebow jersey, I saw 2 guys wearing a hybrid jersey, half was Titans half was Broncos, on the left side of the back of the jersey was the name Tebow, and on the right side was Locker. No doubt some were gifts for relatives, or friends, but I saw several getting theirs autographed like it was solid gold. I haven't bought one for the simple fact, that I didn't know if they were actually going to keep the guy or not. Last time I bought a Cutler jersey, an authentic one 3 seasons later he was traded to Chicago. That jersey went in the trash. Not ready to spend $200 on another jersey if the guy isn't going to be there.

No other player in NFL History has had more jerseys sold for a player than Tim Tebow...he hasn't even started a full season yet either.

Everybody loves this guy. I can't go anywhere around here wearing a Bronco jersey or hat, without a fan of another team asking me "When they gonna play Tebow?" I just shrug and say who knows.

When McDaniels drafted him, I groaned and complained to my girlfriend at the time, and it was funny because she said the Broncos would draft Tebow (not that she really knew, she was just teasing me) before it happened, I swear my jaw dropped to the floor and I just looked at her and she laughed. I didn't want him, wasn't sure of his mechanics or that he would and could play at the NFL level the way he played in college at UF.

However, I've been proven wrong on that, because the kid is a freaking warrior and he clearly is one hell of a competitor. Heart of lion, determination of a tiger, the courage of a bear, and he has taken the football world by storm. Now I'm supportive of him, and hope he does well, ready to see him get out there, which he gets his 4th NFL start a week from Sunday against the Dolphins.

This kid continues to defy his critics. His first HS Football coach told him he'd never play QB. From what I understand he transferred to another HS and went on to start. He went to Florida, won 2 NC's, and a Heisman, and broke a ton of records, most notably rushing td's and rushing yards. Now he's in the NFL, and he's hasn't gotten a full opportunity, but in his 3 1/2 games of regular season play, he's proving everyone wrong that doesn't or didn't believe in him.

Gators fans, weigh in please. Shed some light on the situation.

John Elway didn't get this kind of hype. Peyton Manning didn't either. Marino didn't. Montana didn't. Brady sure as heck didn't. Carson Palmer won 2 NC's and a Heisman, but he didn't get this kind of hype. Roethlisberger wasn't this hyped. Eli Manning wasn't this hyped.

Was Vince Young this hyped in Nashville? I don't seem to recall that he was. Cam Newton wasn't (but he's getting a lot of attention with his play). I know Locker hasn't been hyped.

[JG55]

Could it possibly be that he is a practicing Christian. Remember how he got beat up and attacked for the prolife commericial he and his Mom made for the superbowl. NFL players were cutting ads promoting Planned Parenthood to offset his commericial. It was ridiculous..

[Guest uzzi]

That is why, JG55 my fellow Nolesvillian nailed it. He is an outspoken believer in Jesus. That is why there is so much swirling around him. It reminds me of when the movie "The Passion of the Christ" came out. When I went to see it, there was a sign as a walked into the theater that warned me of the violence in the movie. I couldn't believe it! You think there is a sign warning you when you walk in to see "SAW" or some other violent movie? NO! He probably loves guns too. That will really swirl the contraversy!

[Guest mustangdave]

The only other NFL player I can recall there being any kind of hoopla over close to this was Doug Flutey(sp)...and he even went to the CFL first if my blurred memory serves me correctly...

[Guest WyattEarp]

Could it possibly be that he is a practicing Christian. Remember how he got beat up and attacked for the prolife commericial he and his Mom made for the superbowl. NFL players were cutting ads promoting Planned Parenthood to offset his commericial. It was ridiculous..

I think it may have something to do with it, but here's what I think.

You have Tebow, he's at Florida, they lose to Ole Miss a few years ago, a game they were supposed to win. The kid take this loss personally. he's pissed. He gets in front of the podium during the post game pressure, and he makes a promise to UF fans that no one will work harder to be better and play better football, than himself and the rest of the Florida Gators. Then he goes out and backs it up because they didn't lose a game the rest of the year, and won the NC.

First it speaks volumes of how he seriously he takes what he does and how devoted he is to competing, and being the best that he can and giving forth the best effort in everything he does. Second, it shows his work ethic, it shows he cares about how his performance at his "job" (i dont know if you can call it that or not) or position of responsibility. He's accountable to himself, to his coaches, to those around him, his teammates. Then you have the fact that he's a Christian, he's proud of it, he's not afraid to admit it or talk about it, and he's really sincere about it, but without coming off like he's full of **** (like most of those television evangelists do....they're always really super happy, and talk so weird and calm and peaceful, but behind all that you know they're full of ****, because they just want to you dial the number on the screen and make a donation, so they can make their next payment on the $80,000 porsche they're driving), he's just down to earth and humble, he doesn't brag or boast. You can see he cares about what he does, how well he does it, and he wants to get better. He was crying when Florida lost Bama in the SECCG, it meant that much to him (and sadly some people made fun of the guy, but I actually admire him for being able to do that without caring what everyone else thinks or says). He doesn't go around boasting or bragging, or acting like some of these jackwagon NFL players do. Guys like Pacman Jones, Terrell Owens, Kenny Britt. He doesn't rub it in players face like that asswipe Phillip Rivers does. He's not flashy, he's not calling opponents out and running his hole about how he's gonna shred an opposing team's defense, or run the ball straight up the defense's ass.

He's like the perfect, role model NFL Player. Smart, has a good stable solid family, both parents are Christian missionaries, he might have grown up in money, but he appreciates it, it was never an abused privilege, he never walked around with that "sense of entitlement" attitude that so many kids who grow up in families that have money display. He doesn't take life for granted, he doesn't take the money for granted, the fame, or football for granted. I think so many fans do love him because of all these qualities, it's a breath of fresh air to them, someone who cares, works hard, brings leadership to the field, in the locker room, and in the community. The guy gets what life is all about and I'm sure if he never played a down of football again, he would be content to do something else and serve God's purposes.

Those that hate him, they despise his success. They despise how he got there, because it didn't happen that way for them. They despise him because they think he's too good to be true, that he's just putting on a show. So they attack his passing mechanics, his footwork, his fundamentals, they say oh just because he was successful at UF and won 2 NC's and a Heisman, that doesn't mean that translates to success in the NFL, and they will say anything to put the guy down, because in their minds, no one in this day and age is like that. They don't like a guy who is willing to stand up and do what's right, versus doing what's popular to society. But you can't beat this guy down. He's mentally tough, physically he's a walking suit of chiseled armor. He's a modern day gladiator, and he lives for himself, but not in a selfish way, because he's so quick to help others and does a lot of volunteer work.

He's really handled the QB controversy situation in Denver well for such a young kid. Very maturely, he's told his fans who have been calling for him to start, that he appreciates their support, but he's asked the fans to support Orton who at the time was the starter, and the rest of the team, said he's just busy practicing and preparing so he'll be ready to play in the event that he's needed by the Broncos. He asked them not to put up billboards demanding that the Broncos Front Office bench Orton and start Tebow, or chant during the games when Orton was doing bad. He's publicly and privately supported Orton being the starter, and of every single game this year, when I look on the sidelines, Orton distances himself as far away from Tebow as possible and won't have anything to do with him. I can tell Orton hates him, and I think that's just bull****. Orton is a classless noodle arm though.

But I think many people finally see a guy who comes into the NFL , who is appreciative of what he does, the money he makes, his physical gifts, isn't boasting, or bragging or being a show off, but is just letting his playing doing the talking, and he's just out there competing and giving it his all because he wants to win, and he wants to show people he can be a starting NFL QB, and sadly some fans, just hate him, and in my opinion, I think that's what's created all this hype. But I continue to be amazed by it, because I never seen any NFL player generate the attention, controversy, respect, hatred, and animosity overall as Tim Tebow, but it doesn't seem to phase him one bit and he's not letting it change who he is as man, a person, a football player, an athlete and in this day and age, that's just remarkable, and you don't see it too often.

Edited October 12, 2011 by WyattEarp

[JG55]

Good points. Watched Coach Dungy on Sunday Night praise Tebow and state he's a winner play him. Harrison looked like he was going to have a heart attack !

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Regardless of his status in the NFL, he is a good guy, an achiever, a Christian and probably many other good

things. If people want to cheer this man on in his endeavors, it's about time they did, compared to a couple

of Titans former players. One being a real piece of trash, and the other dying suspiciously.

If you look at the kind of people society puts on the pedestal, Tebow is one of the exceptions to the rule.

[G27]

Tebow is one of the few sports stars that I'd be thrilled if my kids emulate.

[Guest db99wj]

Tebow is one of the few sports stars that I'd be thrilled if my kids emulate.

That is a short list for me, but he is on there, even if he did play for Florida.

[Guest Victor9er]

I'm not sure where all the hype comes from, but I don't think it has anything to do with his faith.

First, he's not the first or only NFL or major athelte to be openly religious. There's plenty, and yes they are "superstars" also not just your everyday average players. (see: Deion Sanders, Ray Lewis, etc, etc)

Not to mention you can't watch an interview of any player from any sport without first hearing from them... "I just want to thank God first and foremost for blessing me with this talent..." etc, etc, etc.

No, religion is all over sports. I don't see anything that makes Tebow any different. Maybe because he's a little more of a "poster boy" do-gooder, but again there have been others like that as well so I just don't think that's it.

I have to agree though I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this maniacal obsession with all things Tebow. There's no middle ground, people either love him, or hate him. And I think maybe that's part of it. The people that do love him do so with such blind enthusiasm that he tends to get portrayed as the greatest football player to ever walk the face of the Earth and he can do no wrong. They're ready to have his bust commissioned for Canton right now.

Now why is that? I don't see where that part comes from. A 5-yard pass from Tebow in a game that they LOSE will get more praise from Bronco fans than a 2 minute game-winning drive from Orton...

And I think that amount of fevor for a player that hasn't done anything yet in the NFL ticks off the people that don't think a lot about his NFL potential, and so they feel like they have to "hate" on Tebow to the same degree his fans "love" on him in order to balance it out. Because there's nothing in the middle it seems.

Personally, I never liked him because I'm an LSU fan and I got tired of watching his team beat LSU almost all the time. Of course that's the same reason I can't stand Florida either.

I can tell you, as someone that is not a fan of Tebow, in the end I could really and honestly care less if he plays or not. Do I think he deserves to play right now? No. I think Brady Quinn, who is the number 2 QB on that team, deserves a shot before Tebow does. THEN, if Quinn can't show anything you put Tebow in. But the coach made the mistake of caving in to fan pressure and played Tebow in that second half, and there's no going back now.

But at this point, I'm just so sick of hearing his name I'm almost glad he's finally playing. Maybe now the Tebow fanatics will finally shut up about him after a couple of games.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Victor9er

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think it has nothing to do with whether or not he deserves to play. That was settled by others.

There will always be some who like or dislike someone, and sometimes for valid and invalid reasons.

I doubt he asked anyone for their admiration, either. He performs and achieves. That's admirable.

Edited October 12, 2011 by 6.8 AR
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[Guest Victor9er]

I think it has nothing to do with whether or not he deserves to play. That was settled by others.

There will always be some who like or dislike someone, and sometimes for valid and invalid reasons.

I doubt he asked anyone for their admiration, either. He performs and achieves. That's admirable.

He achieved in college, yes. In the NFL he hasn't achieved diddly squat yet. You're talking about a guy that has a career completion percentage of 48.9% and Bronco fans are expecting their team to improve? I don't see it, but Denver fans got what they wished for....

And nothing was "settled" it was constant pressure from an overhyped fan-base that demanded Tebow played. Buying billboards telling the coach to play him, seriously? Granted Orton wasn't playing well and the team as a whole is performing badly, but while we're at it why don't we just get rid of all the coaches and let the fans make all the personel decisions, after all they obviously know who should be playing better than the coach does right?

Edited October 12, 2011 by Victor9er

[G27]

"If you spend a lot of time listening to the fans tell you how to do your job, you will end up sitting with them." - Gene Stallings

[Guest HvyMtl]

Tebow is open and promoting of his religion. Ok. Fine. Personally, I want someone to live their religion, instead of crow about it.

"For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required..."

He talks a lot - but really, how much has he given? He is getting $ 9.7 million to play for the Broncos. How much of that has he tithed? How much has he used to aid those far less fortunate? Or is he a Christian crower, and not a Christian doer?

Put your money where your mouth is. (I say that to all Christians. Follow the teachings, and actually DO what is expected of you as a Christian.) Don't just talk the talk, walk the walk.

Tim Tebow Blows Signing Bonus on Charity Donations - SportsPickle News

Perhaps he is a doer, more than a crow. For this I commend him.

But hey, perhaps it is just me, automatically cautious around those who trumpet their religious beliefs.

As for Tebow the player, well, I think he needs to learn, a lot. But, if he is given two years, he will be a good quarterback. Not Payton excellent, but good.

Edited October 12, 2011 by HvyMtl

[Guest WyattEarp]

I'm not sure where all the hype comes from, but I don't think it has anything to do with his faith.

First, he's not the first or only NFL or major athelte to be openly religious. There's plenty, and yes they are "superstars" also not just your everyday average players. (see: Deion Sanders, Ray Lewis, etc, etc)

Ray Lewis? really? a guy who murdered another man in the back of a limo, lied about it and then got away with nothing more than an obstruction of justice charge and to my knowledge the "killer" has never been found. that's because a jury set him free, can't get him now, thanks to double jeopardy. Bad bad reference.

Deion sanders, I don't know him or about his religious beliefs, but seems to me he was always a showboating loud mouth punk. not very Christian like, but then again, I tend to be a loud mouth punk sometimes, but I believe...so I'll give ya that one.

Not to mention you can't watch an interview of any player from any sport without first hearing from them... "I just want to thank God first and foremost for blessing me with this talent..." etc, etc, etc.

No, religion is all over sports. I don't see anything that makes Tebow any different. Maybe because he's a little more of a "poster boy" do-gooder, but again there have been others like that as well so I just don't think that's it.

I do wonder how many of them just say it, but don't really mean it. When I heard Gene Chizik and Cam Newton saying it after they won their National Championship* last year, it sounded as phony as their newly acquired BCS NC Trophy was tainted by the corruption and cheating at Auburn.

I have to agree though I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like this maniacal obsession with all things Tebow. There's no middle ground, people either love him, or hate him. And I think maybe that's part of it. The people that do love him do so with such blind enthusiasm that he tends to get portrayed as the greatest football player to ever walk the face of the Earth and he can do no wrong. They're ready to have his bust commissioned for Canton right now.

Now why is that? I don't see where that part comes from. A 5-yard pass from Tebow in a game that they LOSE will get more praise from Bronco fans than a 2 minute game-winning drive from Orton...

lol, as a Bronco fan I can't even begin to tell you the last time Orton successfully completed a 2 minute drill that resulted in a victory. I think it was against the Patriots in 2009 right before we went on a 2-8 skid to finish out the season. that's why a 5 yard pass from Tebow gets a round of cheers. Noodle arm throws a 7 yard pass on 3rd and 9, and the guy either gets tackled and we punt, or it goes the other direction for 6 points. Orton just might be the best 8th year rookie in the league. Tebow at least scrambles and gets a first down.

And I think that amount of fevor for a player that hasn't done anything yet in the NFL ticks off the people that don't think a lot about his NFL potential, and so they feel like they have to "hate" on Tebow to the same degree his fans "love" on him in order to balance it out. Because there's nothing in the middle it seems.

Personally, I never liked him because I'm an LSU fan and I got tired of watching his team beat LSU almost all the time. Of course that's the same reason I can't stand Florida either.

I can tell you, as someone that is not a fan of Tebow, in the end I could really and honestly care less if he plays or not. Do I think he deserves to play right now? No. I think Brady Quinn, who is the number 2 QB on that team, deserves a shot before Tebow does. THEN, if Quinn can't show anything you put Tebow in. But the coach made the mistake of caving in to fan pressure and played Tebow in that second half, and there's no going back now.

You think Quinn should get the start? What drugs have you been smoking? Did you not see how atrocious Quinn was in Cleveland? There's nothing that tells me he'd do any better in Denver. At least he would be a slight improvement over Orton in my opinion, but not much. Quinn had his chance as a starter, he already proved he couldn't do it and handle it. Half the members on this board could go out there and play better than Orton, and if Quinn can't beat out noodle arm for the starting job, well then Quinn just sucks. Orton and Quinn have had their opportunities, they didn't make the most of them. Denver has 11 games left to see what Tebow can do, then they have to decide what to do with their 1st round pick. Do they keep Tebow and draft defense and a rb? Do they draft Andrew Luck, or Landry Jones (god forbid they draft Landry Jones...it'll be Kyle Orton part 2 all over again, and I'm a Sooner fan saying that!)

[JG55]

Perhaps the coach should be smart enough to design an offense that plays to Tebows strengths so that his team can be successful. Why does Tebow have to fit into everyone elses definition of what a quarterback should be or play like.

Brady Quinn please what a joke!

[Guest Victor9er]

Ray Lewis? really? a guy who murdered another man in the back of a limo, lied about it and then got away with nothing more than an obstruction of justice charge and to my knowledge the "killer" has never been found. that's because a jury set him free, can't get him now, thanks to double jeopardy. Bad bad reference.

Deion sanders, I don't know him or about his religious beliefs, but seems to me he was always a showboating loud mouth punk. not very Christian like, but then again, I tend to be a loud mouth punk sometimes, but I believe...so I'll give ya that one.

I would tend to agree, but both have "seen the light" so to speak and in their later years are very openly religious. For Ray Lewis ever since the murder trial has been all about the faith and Deion has been the same since just before he retired. Is it for show? Maybe, I don't know but they are two very big names that are openly "Christian" for whatever that's worth.

lol, as a Bronco fan I can't even begin to tell you the last time Orton successfully completed a 2 minute drill that resulted in a victory. I think it was against the Patriots in 2009 right before we went on a 2-8 skid to finish out the season. that's why a 5 yard pass from Tebow gets a round of cheers. Noodle arm throws a 7 yard pass on 3rd and 9, and the guy either gets tackled and we punt, or it goes the other direction for 6 points. Orton just might be the best 8th year rookie in the league. Tebow at least scrambles and gets a first down.

Actually, from a quick search it looks like Orton's last game winning drive was about a year ago, against Tennessee, where the Broncos won 26-20. Hey, I'm not saying Orton is Dan Marino or anything... but he's had some good games. It looks like consistancy may be an issue, but let's be honest.... the QB position is not the only problem on that team either.

You think Quinn should get the start? What drugs have you been smoking? Did you not see how atrocious Quinn was in Cleveland? There's nothing that tells me he'd do any better in Denver. At least he would be a slight improvement over Orton in my opinion, but not much. Quinn had his chance as a starter, he already proved he couldn't do it and handle it. Half the members on this board could go out there and play better than Orton, and if Quinn can't beat out noodle arm for the starting job, well then Quinn just sucks. Orton and Quinn have had their opportunities, they didn't make the most of them. Denver has 11 games left to see what Tebow can do, then they have to decide what to do with their 1st round pick. Do they keep Tebow and draft defense and a rb? Do they draft Andrew Luck, or Landry Jones (god forbid they draft Landry Jones...it'll be Kyle Orton part 2 all over again, and I'm a Sooner fan saying that!)

The NFL is full of QBs who have not done well initally and then gone on to be a better QB for another team/system. Kurt Warner was originally a Packer before he replaced Trent Green in St. Louis. Then he stunk up New York, paving the way for Eli before taking Leinart's job away from him in Arizona. Atlanta couldn't wait to dump off Brett Favre before he bacame "Brett Favre" (best Madden impersonation). Rich Gannon was a journeyman backup before exploding with the Raiders. Steve Young and Doug Williams were both lowly Buccaneers before going on to win Superbowls with other teams. Speaking of the Bucs, Brad Johnson played for the Vikings and Redskins before winning the Superbowl with Tampa Bay. There's Doug Flutie (no Superbowl but still successful), The list goes on...

Hey look, I'm by no means a Brady Quinn fan, but to be fair he did play in CLEVELAND. I mean, c'mon who was the last QB that actually had any success in Cleveland? Bernie Kosar, that should tell you something. You say Quinn must suck because he couldn't beat out noodle arm for the starting job... well Tebow couldn't beat out Quinn so where does that put him? (oh, but that's different right?) All I'm saying is, Quinn beat out Tebow for the number 2 spot, so I think Quinn deserves a shot before Tebow does. Yes, Quinn sucked in Cleveland.... everybody sucks in Cleveland.

Point is you don't know if he can play with the Broncos or not, he hasn't had a chance yet. New coaches, new system, new team. Maybe it's the right fit for him. Maybe it's not, and maybe he still sucks in Denver too. Then fine, go to Tebow at that point. But he deserves a shot just as much as Tebow does, if not more because he's the one that won the number 2 QB job, not Tebow.

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Of course it's all moot now that Tebow has already been named the starter, so like I said earlier Bronco fans finally get what they wished for... we'll see what the kid can do now.

Edited October 13, 2011 by Victor9er

[Guest WyattEarp]

Perhaps the coach should be smart enough to design an offense that plays to Tebows strengths so that his team can be successful. Why does Tebow have to fit into everyone elses definition of what a quarterback should be or play like.

Brady Quinn please what a joke!

Head coaches rarely change their offensive philosophies to accommodate a single player, even though it may benefit them to do so. Shanahan's refusal to change his defensive philosophy is what led to his firing in Denver. He was too focused on the offense, and when he did try to do something about the defense, rather than finding the best qualified individual, he brought in guys hardly anyone had ever heard of, who were unproven, and he instilled his will on who they would draft, and Shanahan is just a bad judge of defensive talent. I love the guy, he brought Denver 2 Super Bowl's, but since those Super Bowl's he only has 1 lousy playoff win and multiple losses. Without Elway, he hasn't done much, but that was a 2 way street, because Elway needed the offense and supporting cast Shanahan brought in to get the job done.

It would make sense to run Tebow out of the shotgun all the time, because he's a go forward kind of guy, and it would throw the defenses off big time, because you don't know if the guy is gonna pass or if he's going to run and for a white boy, he sure has some moves and elusiveness and speed lol. But I think he definitely adds a dynamic that will be hard to game plan for. He's not one-dimensional as the chargers found out on Sunday. He almost beat them, and if he had about another minute, he would have pulled it off.

I would tend to agree, but both have "seen the light" so to speak and in their later years are very openly religious. For Ray Lewis ever since the murder trial has been all about the faith and Deion has been the same since just before he retired. Is it for show? Maybe, I don't know but they are two very big names that are openly "Christian" for whatever that's worth.

this is true.

Actually, from a quick search it looks like Orton's last game winning drive was about a year ago, against Tennessee, where the Broncos won 26-20. Hey, I'm not saying Orton is Dan Marino or anything... but he's had some good games. It looks like consistancy may be an issue, but let's be honest.... the QB position is not the only problem on that team either.

Ha, I was at that game, and he almost cost us, with his INT, but he did lead us to victory. Sad it's been a year since his last game winning 2 minute drive. Speaks volumes about his abilities.

Problem with Orton is, his ego. He's a great practice guy, good work ethic, but he just keeps making the same mistakes over and over. Happy feet, panics in the face of the blitz, poor 3rd down conversion numbers less than 50% throughout his career, can't convert in the red zone, takes more sacks on 3rd down than any QB in the league,

here's an interesting read on Kyle Orton's efficiency

Third Down...and Out - Mile High Report

Orton may not be the only problem on that team, but I have to question how much of the problem laid with the rest of the team? Why is is when Orton is in there, the team looks like a bunch of geriatrics who can't tackle, can't get a stop on defense, can't block for our RB's, WR's dropping passes, special teams coverage sucks. Which was the case last Sunday in the first half. Then Tebow comes in the second half, and it's like we have a different team.

I think Tebow brings a leadership quality to the huddle and the team, and his attitude is the big thing, it's so positive, while Orton's is so mellow, and it often comes off like he doesn't care at all, he throws a pick, he hangs his head and walks to the sideline and sits down or stays away from everyone. Sunday after a 3 and out I saw Tebow over talking to his WR's, O-Line and RB's, he was getting them pumped up, motivating them and talking to them, and the entire team just responded.

12 turnovers in 5 games this season, and everyone can be singlehandedly blamed on Orton. the defense doesn't throw pick 6's. The defense didn't fumble on 3rd and 8, with the game on the line against the Raiders on Monday night, when not a single a Raider defender was even near him.

The NFL is full of QBs who have not done well initally and then gone on to be a better QB for another team/system. Kurt Warner was originally a Packer before he replaced Trent Green in St. Louis. Then he stunk up New York, paving the way for Eli before taking Leinart's job away from him in Arizona. Atlanta couldn't wait to dump off Brett Favre before he bacame "Brett Favre" (best Madden impersonation). Rich Gannon was a journeyman backup before exploding with the Raiders. Steve Young and Doug Williams were both lowly Buccaneers before going on to win Superbowls with other teams. Speaking of the Bucs, Brad Johnson played for the Vikings and Redskins before winning the Superbowl with Tampa Bay. There's Doug Flutie (no Superbowl but still successful), The list goes on...

Hey look, I'm by no means a Brady Quinn fan, but to be fair he did play in CLEVELAND. I mean, c'mon who was the last QB that actually had any success in Cleveland? Bernie Kosar, that should tell you something. You say Quinn must suck because he couldn't beat out noodle arm for the starting job... well Tebow couldn't beat out Quinn so where does that put him? (oh, but that's different right?) All I'm saying is, Quinn beat out Tebow for the number 2 spot, so I think Quinn deserves a shot before Tebow does. Yes, Quinn sucked in Cleveland.... everybody sucks in Cleveland.

Point is you don't know if he can play with the Broncos or not, he hasn't had a chance yet. New coaches, new system, new team. Maybe it's the right fit for him. Maybe it's not, and maybe he still sucks in Denver too. Then fine, go to Tebow at that point. But he deserves a shot just as much as Tebow does, if not more because he's the one that won the number 2 QB job, not Tebow.

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Of course it's all moot now that Tebow has already been named the starter, so like I said earlier Bronco fans finally get what they wished for... we'll see what the kid can do now.

True on the QB's. Tebow didn't beat out Orton only because when the Orton to Miami trade fell through, they felt they owed Orton the chance, and Fox is well known to not like starting rookie or 2nd year QB's, he's kind of set in his ways which concerns me, but we'll see how it plays out. I wasn't happy that Fox and Elway decided to go with Orton as the starter, but now that I look at it, they gave Orton every chance to succeed, at the same time, they fed him enough rope to let him hang himself and that's exactly what he did, lol.

be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out. I'm just glad we're doing something different for a change. A wise man once said the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing whilst expecting a different result.