winter ammo?

[Guest JeremyD901]

I have a question, I hear lots of people talking about hollow points failing with penatrating through thick clothing. Right now I carry Winchester ranger law enforcement rounds. In 40 Cal. Should I carry like powerball ammo for winter since the clothing is much thicker?

[Guest bkelm18]

I carry the same ammo year round. Heavy clothing does affect JHPs, but they still penetrate.

[monkeylizard]

It's not penetration that's a problem. It's expansion. 40 cal will not have a problem getting through winter clothing.

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Edited October 7, 2011 by monkeylizard

[Guest bkelm18]

It's not penetration that's a problem. It's expansion.The Box O' Truth #8 - The Rags O' Truth - Page 1

Right, they fail to expand but they still penetrate.

[monkeylizard]

The cause seems to be that when the JHP passes through the clothing, bits of the cloth/fabric get jammed into the cavity on the front of the bullet. That makes its shape closer to FMJ than a JHP, keeping it from mushrooming out as much.

[UncleJak]

This is crazy, I've never heard of this...interesting...

[peejman]

Worry about hitting the target, not what the bullet does afterwards.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Just put a little fuel stabilizer in your ammo case

[TLRMADE]

I change my .380 from Power Ball to Hornady bc from the tests it looks as if Hornady would be better for thicker clothing!

[Guest JeremyD901]

Worry about hitting the target, not what the bullet does afterwards.

I'm pretty sure worrying about hitting the target and what the ammo does goes hand in hand. Might sound crazy but I don't want the perp To be shooting back at me after I already hit him.

[Guest bkelm18]

I'm pretty sure worrying about hitting the target and what the ammo does goes hand in hand. Might sound crazy but I don't want the perp To be shooting back at me after I already hit him.

Unless you score a hit to his/her central nervous system, he's not gonna go down when you shoot him regardless of what ammo you're using.

[mikegideon]

Unless you score a hit to his/her central nervous system, he's not gonna go down when you shoot him regardless of what ammo you're using.

unless he takes one in the kajones. Tell me you're gonna stand up straight after that. BTW, expansion ain't an issue.

[enfield]

Not in Tennessee! HP's that fail to expand, not that it's likely in a Tennessee winter, still act like FMJ.

I've never switched ammo for winter, even when I lived in Michigan. I have switched guns for winter carry, but only because I could conceal a bigger handgun under a Moosedown parka. Carry a caliber beginning with a 4 and there's no need to change.

Edited October 8, 2011 by enfield

[Caster]

.357 mag w/ Hornady Leverevolution 140g FTX. He better be wearing some decent kevlar or he's going to have a really bad day. I don't care how many jackets he's wearing.

[Guest pfries]

In testing Cor®bon JHP and DPX have shown to expand well even after the cavity is plugged I run them or the winchester PDX year round. Both rounds perfom well and similar in my SD guns.

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[Patton]

Use a large enough caliber(when possible) and it will not matter.

[Guest TresOsos]

Use a large enough caliber(when possible) and it will not matter.

That's one thing about .45ACP, Ball or JHP it don't shrink.

[DaveTN]

Thick clothing is an issue with .380 and frangible rounds like the Glaser Safety slug. You won’t have any problem with a .40 cal ranger unless the winter clothing is a ballistic vest.

[Guest JeremyD901]

Thick clothing is an issue with .380 and frangible rounds like the Glaser Safety slug. You won’t have any problem with a .40 cal ranger unless the winter clothing is a ballistic vest.

Lol here in Memphis they might be wearing ballistic vest. Lord knows I wish I had one, this dump of a city has some sketchy people. Which if anyone has a TV and watches the news they would know.

[Guest db99wj]

Shoot once, then follow up with the the remaining bullets in the magazine and you have solved any expansion issues.

[mikegideon]

Shoot once, then follow up with the the remaining bullets in the magazine and you have solved any expansion issues.

Yeah. If it's not draining fast enough, poke more holes. Any country boy knows that

[East_TN_Patriot]

The police department I used to work for did ammo tests one time to see which brand was the best overall duty round. We fired .40 S&W out of our duty pistol, a Sig P229, through various materials and into ballistic gelatin. The short version of this story is that all of the hollow-point ammo we tried tended to clog and fail to fully expand when fired through heavy clothing, drywall, and especially plywood. 185 grain Speer Gold Dot did performed the best in our tests and that's what our department stuck with (if memory serves me correctly, Hyrda-Shok did the worst). However, when hollow-point ammo clogs, it performs like JHP ammo for all practical purposes, so it's not like you lose all ballistic performance and accuracy. Like others have said, all you lose is expansion.

[strickj]

Bonded bullets will expand when shooting through clothing. Or at least expand more the non-bonded bullets.

[Erik88]

I always thought the concern was that hollow points would expand even through heavy clothing but this would cause limited penetration?

that being said, I carry the same ammo year round. Gold Dot's FTW!

[dlm37015]

i carry 230 grain 45 ball or in my dress up gun 200 grain 44 full wad cutters that way i never feel upderpowered