Secret Panel can put Americans on kill list -- Modern McCarthyism?

[TM01]

Read it? How about I quote it and let you read it instead.

Article 1 Section 8:

"To declare war" as stated in the Constitution is not the same thing as " Declaration of War". A DoW is simply a formal document concerning the type of war.

From Wiki:

And in case you're wondering what war powers POTUS has under the Constitution:

Article 2 Section 2:

I dont remember the senate making any votes and approving any action that has been taken by our military. I guess I am with Ron Paul again on this one. This man has said it more than once that having the media call what is going on is wrong due to the fact that congress has not given a 2/3 approval for any of it. The fact that it says "today" in the wiki version says something. Does that mean when it was originally written it meant something else?. Our Constitution has become so bastardized its not even funny.

War Powers

Congress holds the power to declare war. As a result, the president cannot declare war without their approval. However, as the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, many presidents have sent troops to battle without an official war declaration (ex. Vietnam, Korea). The 1973 War Powers Act attempted to define when and how the president could send troops to battle by adding strict time frames for reporting to Congress after sending troops to war, in addition to other measures.

The senate still has to be notified and approve the actions. If they do not then why even have a constitution.

Article 1 Section 8 Powers of Congress

11th line; To declare war.

I just reread http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html. I didnt see anything under Executive powers to declare war.

Edited October 8, 2011 by TM01

[TMF]

I think the existance of this panel in inconsequential to the root issue of Awlaki being killed. It seems to me, based on the historical precedent set over the course of American history and the reasons they cited for killing Awlaki, that a field commander could have made the decision to drop a hellfire on him. The reason the panel exists is probably because the buck kept getting passed higher on approval because no one in the chain wanted to risk their a$$ by making the decision, hence the lawers being on the panel.

[strickj]

I dont remember the senate making any votes and approving any action that has been taken by our military. I guess I am with Ron Paul again on this one. This man has said it more than once that having the media call what is going on is wrong due to the fact that congress has not given a 2/3 approval for any of it. The fact that it says "today" in the wiki version says something. Does that mean when it was originally written it meant something else?. Our Constitution has become so bastardized its not even funny.

War Powers

Congress holds the power to declare war. As a result, the president cannot declare war without their approval. However, as the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, many presidents have sent troops to battle without an official war declaration (ex. Vietnam, Korea). The 1973 War Powers Act attempted to define when and how the president could send troops to battle by adding strict time frames for reporting to Congress after sending troops to war, in addition to other measures.

The senate still has to be notified and approve the actions. If they do not then why even have a constitution.

Article 1 Section 8 Powers of Congress

11th line; To declare war.

I just reread The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net. I didnt see anything under Executive powers to declare war.

I think we're saying about the same thing here. I'm just trying to clarify the difference between "declaring war" and "Declaration of War".

It's easy to confuse a DoW (the type of Congressional approval aka a bill to authorize an all out war) with declaring war (wording found in the Constitution).

[TM01]

I think we're saying about the same thing here. I'm just trying to clarify the difference between "declaring war" and "Declaration of War".

It's easy to confuse a DoW (the type of Congressional approval aka a bill to authorize an all out war) with declaring war (wording found in the Constitution).

I hear you. In order to kill anyone without due process there has to actually be a declared war. This whole "incremental creep" that is slowly eating away our rights is frightening.

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