Obama and gun control

[Guest ThePunisher]

Yeh, and some people still believe in the Easter bunny. It's hard sometimes to face reality.

[Links2k]

No one wants to destroy this country. The crooks in Washington only want to make money.

[quietguy]

No one wants to destroy this country. The crooks in Washington only want to make money.

That is slightly flawed logic Most of them just want to be re-elected. The money follows

[Links2k]

That is slightly flawed logic Most of them just want to be re-elected. The money follows

I stand corrected.

[mikegideon]

when the economy finally goes up in a ball of flame and there is no food in your grocery store and you need food, I promise one thing you will have to do to get food is turn them in.

... or go hunting.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I believe it has very little to do with money for most of them. It has to do with power, control and respect. Now ultimately it might lead to more money in their pockets but for most they have plenty so that isn't their primary concern. I think if they had to choose between having control or making money 9 out of 10 would choose to control.

We are their to support their agendas for power, nothing more. They make backroom deals for power and we the citizens foot the bill. We, as a country, are in dire straights. Most people in the country have had to cut back as well as suffer substantial loses. Yet our controllers don't feel they have to suffer the same fate.

I would also bet a lot of them do not see themselves as our representatives. They see themselves as someone who is there to control us. Almost all the laws they introduce or pass has more to do with controlling the masses than helping the country.

And yes, removing the guns from the populace is nothing more than a way to ensure they control us. First they control us by passing laws making our 2nd ammendment rights illegal. After the guns are gone they will use their own guns to control us. And all of it will be for one purpose, to increase the power, control and respect of those who have turned us into subjects. This is the exact samre reason we fought the revolutionary war 200+ years ago.

Dolomite

[Worriedman]

It's all about jobs, jobs and jobs. Everyone knows this. Obama knows it.

He has really been doing a wonderful job if that...

Seattle Green Jobs Program Gets $20M, Creates 14 Posts | FoxNews.com

And if you're thinking of an executive order...please. That would be legal Armegeddon for the White House.

How about the "Dream Act" push by Executive Order last week? Like these guys care one whit about the Constitution, see the Gibson Guitar raid. Or the Health Care Reform Act, Obama and his crew knew that was headed to the Supreme Court, yet like Red Skelton's little boy, they "Dood it anyway."

My concern is that his liberal base is clamoring for something akin to what he promised them for their money and support, and guns would be the first thing he would throw under the bus. He knows the Conservatives are against him, he just has to hope the libs and the "Independents" can eek out a win this time. The libs are furious that we are not wearing Red Stars, so he has to do something to appease them.

[hornett22]

Based on what Obamalamadingdong is doing to Boeing, I'd say he could care less about real jobs. Just taking care of the union scum that supported him.

[Dolomite_supafly]

The libs are furious that we are not wearing Red Stars, so he has to do something to appease them.

Funny thing is we will probably be wearing yellow stars before red ones because of who we owe.

So who speaks Mandarin?

Dolomite

[Guest Lester Weevils]

I'm not defending gov money used to "create jobs" but unless the gov hires most people as shovel technicians and wheelbarrow pilots, the capital and materials can be expected to make the direct cost "per job" pretty large.

Maybe the interim solution would be to hire lots of shovel technicians and wheelbarrow pilots at minimum wage, when they have run out their unemployment benefits? Trim the unemployment benefit duration back to something halfway reasonable like 6 months or whatever. That would put food in their bellies and the work would be unpleasant enough to encourage them to find a better job ASAP. Shades of Roosevelt WPA projects. And there are usful things that shovel technicians can accomplish, though power tools are often more cost-effective.

Ferinstance if you hire one guy to build/repair roads driving a bulldozer-- That is skilled labor. You don't want an idgit driving a dozer. What do those guys make? $75,000? $100,000? More? Then you pay $750,000 for a caterpillar dozer for him to drive and maybe pay millions per year in maintenance, deisel fuel, gravel, concrete and asphalt? You directly created ONE job and spent at least a couple of million bucks for that one job for one year.

Doesn't sound very efficient except the Caterpillar company and the gravel company and asphalt company all have to hire people to supply the tools and materials. Those are the indirect "saved or created" jobs and they do exist but are difficult to precisely calculate. Economists' guesstimates of indirect jobs saved/created don't engender much voter sympathy unless the voter is pre-inclined to cut the admin some slack. But you do get roads out of the money as a side-effect. Its not like the money is wasted if we spend it on stuff actually necessary and actually envisioned as a proper role for gov.

Of course lots of gov money is spent on completely useless stuff. Maybe most of the Obama money was wasted on completely useless stuff. Or as explained by Fearless Leader his self, "So then you get the argument, well, this is not a stimulus bill, this is a spending bill. What do you think a stimulus is? That’s the whole point. No, seriously. That’s the point."

If you hire a fellow to install solar panels-- How many millions of dollars in solar panels can a fellow install in a year if he is a good worker? If the panel plus well-engineered mounting hardware plus wiring and connectors and electronics is about $1000 per panel-- If the fellow can install three panels per day that is about a million bucks per year in materials plus his salary, for just one job.

The bad deal about hiring that thar green jobs feller-- Most of the solar panel equipment is gonna be manufactured in China. Many of the indirect jobs saved/created with the million bucks, will be saved/created in China and not the USA. Most likely GE will figure out how to skim some of the money and figure out a way to avoid tax on it. The green jobs grants ought to have domestic-manufactured materials requirements to have the best bang-for-the-buck in the USA economy.

Ain't arguing that the gov ought to be spending borrowed money to save/create jobs. Just thinking about the details assuming they will do it anyway whether they ought to or not.

[mikegideon]

Obama let congress allocate the stimulus money. There's your problem.