Dept of Safety contacting Washington and Maine about reciprocity

[LagerHead]

Got word from my Rep's office today that the DoS said Maine notified them they would not grant reciprocity with TN.

I have asked for a copy of the actual notification. Hopefully it contains the reason.

It'll probably use the phrases "doo doo heads" and "nanny nanny boo boo" gratuitously.

[Guest RobThatsMe]

Got word from my Rep's office today that the DoS said Maine notified them they would not grant reciprocity with TN.

I have asked for a copy of the actual notification. Hopefully it contains the reason.

That's disappointing news.. But, it also doesn't surprise me.

They want to collect the fees for folks to apply for a non-resident permit.

I am a land owner there, with substancial acreage, but, I have to purchase a non-resident hunting license, AND, they do not allow non-residents to hunt on opening day. Opening day is reserved for Maine residents only.

I really don't want to post my property, so I have to sit back and watch the locals get first crack at the deer on my place.

Really a sore spot with me. They also do not allow hunting on Sundays. Perhaps I should post my property to read the following, "No Hunting on Saturdays - Reserved for Landowner Only".

Rob

[Fallguy]

It'll probably use the phrases "doo doo heads" and "nanny nanny boo boo" gratuitously.

LOL...yeah, but whatever the "diplomatic" equvilants are....

I'm curious to know the exact reason in case it is addressed in a later law change, just as it was with Washington.

@RobThatsMe I'd agree it was money if they didn't honor a few other states permits already. But who knows...does sound like some strange laws if a land owner still has to go through what you do. At least if I think I ever may go to Maine I can get a non-resident permit.

[Guest pfries]

Maine specifically asks about juvenile offenses, they also asked about certain misdemeanors, the third thing is they allow carry at 18 years of age. The way it is worded for reciprocity with the State of Maine it sounds like TN would have to honor their residents to carry here at that age.

An odd clause I found also seems to hint at the fact that Chief of the State police can enter reciprocity with two states?

So I to would be interested in seeing the notification.

[Fallguy]

Maine specifically asks about juvenile offenses, they also asked about certain misdemeanors, the third thing is they allow carry at 18 years of age. The way it is worded for reciprocity with the State of Maine it sounds like TN would have to honor their residents to carry here at that age.

An odd clause I found also seems to hint at the fact that Chief of the State police can enter reciprocity with two states?

So I to would be interested in seeing the notification.

Looking at their application it sort of makes me wonder if the Juvenile questions are because of the Indian tribes mentioned in question (g).

As far as being 18 Maine has reciprocity with LA and AR that doesn't issue permits to those under 21. TN says it honors all states permits, but AFAIK it never has been answered clearly if that means those permits issued to 18-20 year olds.

I did see that about the Chief of the State Police. But Maine currently has reciprocity with 6 states, so the state is not limited to just two other states.

Hope I can get a copy it soon too....

[Fallguy]

Maine specifically asks about juvenile offenses, they also asked about certain misdemeanors, the third thing is they allow carry at 18 years of age. The way it is worded for reciprocity with the State of Maine it sounds like TN would have to honor their residents to carry here at that age.

An odd clause I found also seems to hint at the fact that Chief of the State police can enter reciprocity with two states?

So I to would be interested in seeing the notification.

It seems you were basically right about it being some misdemeanors we don't ask about and the juvenile record...

[Fallguy]

Here is the response from Maine.

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[Erik88]

well, worst case scenario is that if you wanted to visit Maine you could always open carry.

OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost! pretty sure you don't need a permit.

[Fallguy]

It does appear Maine is an OC without a permit state (except in a vehicle). You can also apply for a non-resident permit if you want to go that way.

While I'm disappointed my main goal/question when this started was when/if states had been contacted about reciprocity and if they turned it down why. At least this was done.

[Glock30]

In liberal speak, "good moral character" = "we may choose to not like you". I think it silly that they do a check of that nature, as opposed to the hard facts in a person's criminal background. I'd like to know what will pass their smell test.

Thanks again for all your efforts and hard work, Fallguy!!

[Guest pfries]

Well that is unfortunate, and those are concessions that I would not be eager to adopt in TN.

[Guest RobThatsMe]

In liberal speak, "good moral character" = "we may choose to not like you". I think it silly that they do a check of that nature, as opposed to the hard facts in a person's criminal background. I'd like to know what will pass their smell test.

Thanks again for all your efforts and hard work, Fallguy!!

+1 what Glock30 said. Thanks Fallguy!

[Fallguy]

I agree the "good moral character" almost turns back in to "may issue" instead of "shall issue"

Part of me thinks the fact our HCP application is sent to the local sheriff for his input could make a good argument that there is a procedure to check on the things that concerns Maine. But from the letter I don't get the feeling they would buy that argument and I almost know our DOS or AG would not make that argument. When I get a chance I'm going to check a couple of the states they have reciprocity with now and see what kind of good moral character check they have in their application procedure.

But at least we do know now that DOS has contacted other states and know the reason why they won't honor TN permits.

[Fallguy]

Well AR doesn't seem to have the phrase "good moral character" anywhere in it's laws or procedures. But they do submit the app to the local authorities just like we do. However it does seem that some other misdemeanors in a previous 5 year period can disqualify you than we have.

Oh well..... IMO Maine's loss more than ours......

[JAB]

From their response:

In making this assessment, issuing authorities must consider any such conduct, regardless of whether a criminal conviction resulted.

So I guess Maine doesn't believe in the concept of innocent until (and unless) proven guilty, huh? It is sad that so many states in the Northeast portion of our country - where the groundwork for our freedoms and our liberty was laid - seem hell bent on trying to take those freedoms and that liberty away from their citizens.

[Guest RobThatsMe]

Well AR doesn't seem to have the phrase "good moral character" anywhere in it's laws or procedures. But they do submit the app to the local authorities just like we do. However it does seem that some other misdemeanors in a previous 5 year period can disqualify you than we have.

Oh well..... IMO Maine's loss more than ours......

Wonder what year AR was granted reciprocity with Maine? Hmmm... could it have been during the Clinton years?

Edited September 1, 2011 by RobThatsMe

[Guest 270win]

Arkansas does not require an applicant to be of good moral character. The sheriff and/or town police chief can send in an affidavit to the state police if they believe there are problems with an applicant once they are notified by the state police that you have applied for a concealed handgun license. I was told by my police instructor that for example you may not have a criminal record but your police chief knows about crazy behavior and may need to get denied.

[Fallguy]

Wonder what year AR was granted reciprocity with Maine? Hmmm... could it have been during the Clinton years?

According to Maine's website State Police: Licenses & Permits: Firearms Permits & Professional Licensing it was on June 21, 2010.

[Fallguy]

Arkansas does not require an applicant to be of good moral character. The sheriff and/or town police chief can send in an affidavit to the state police if they believe there are problems with an applicant once they are notified by the state police that you have applied for a concealed handgun license. I was told by my police instructor that for example you may not have a criminal record but your police chief knows about crazy behavior and may need to get denied.

...and I think we have the same thing here. If someone applies for a HCP a copy is sent to the sheriff. If the sheriff responded, "Well he's never been convicted of anything, but he is regularly found in a drunken state.", I'm sure it would be checked into further before a HCP was issued....if one was issued at all.

[red dirt]

As a TN HCP Holder and resident of TN but a landowner/part time resident in Maine Thanks for your efforts.