What is your SHTF plan?

[Guest GunTroll]

This is a "Zombie" thread. But unless your retarded - yes I said the non PC "R" word, you should know what Zombie means = anything you want it to mean. As of late and with current global affairs and all, Zombie means rioters and flash mobs to me.

Since my "I have no qualms sending Godless men..." comment was made, it is apparent that just like the rest of the nation, fellow selective freedom loving members here on TGO are religion bashers/mockers and open about it. So I guess only some freedoms are respected. I'm thinking the second (2A) is held the highest to some and some of the rest or significantly less important and can be removed/forgotten about and never spoken of, as far as a few are concerned. While David made a comment a bit back about not bringing up guns as a topic in church we should also not bring it up here in a forum dedicated to guns. Fair enough. But until I am warned by him or his mods I will not back down from my beliefs when I am directly questioned about them. I would only hope an anti/questioner would get the same warning. My beliefs define me and I am unabashed of them. The minority (anti-religious people) should not win this fight against the majority (Religious people of any faith). If they do then we are totally screwed when we cater to the wills of the fewer which is abundant in our ever socialistic society. The religious are losing the TV tells me. Some of you feel free to clap at this point of my rant.

I made the comment with sort of an agreement to Mike.357's comment on killing those that are out to steal and or kill him and his anyways. He took it the wrong way though and I did not respond clear enough to immediately put it to rest. My bad. While I am perhaps not quite as harsh with executing and dealing with violators of my me and mine, I am all about swift punishment. I did not intend to turn this into some pulpit for me and a gallery for some of you.

SORRY!

Please resume fantasy talk now.

[Guest bkelm18]

Nvm.

[Guest HvyMtl]

Hmm. I respect your 1st A rights, and will fight to protect them, even if I find what you say, print, have faith in, or assemble with abhorrent. (Even if I have to use my 2nd A rights to do so...)

Religion and religious comments on a forum, as you can see, are easily misconstrued, and taken out of context. These comments are quick to cause drama. IMHO, worse than political comments...

So, lets just agree to this: There was no intent to offend, belittle, or berate anyone. And remember the written (in this case, typed) word is seen far harsher and cold than it actually is, almost all the time...

Zombies may very well be fiction, for now, though the realm of possibility, however remote, gets the mind thinking. Since the zombie outbreak can easily be used as a "worst case," it is easy, and since it is present fiction, fun, to be used for preparedness sake.

Now, back on topic.

Down the road away is a defunct, smaller Lowe's, in an area, including a defunct Lion's grocery, and the former Social Security building. It still has all the amenities the new Lowe's building does, without the stuff inside... including the fenced in area. It would be within walking distance to all types of other buildings, from gas stations, car repair and sales, groceries, hardware, auto parts, and homes. It has a huge empty parking lot, making a clear line of fire.

Thoughts?

Edited August 10, 2011 by HvyMtl

[Guest GunTroll]

I to have been looking at more urban structures as a defensible position vs. wilderness. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I'll stick with being fluid as my plan. Plans are good till something unplanned arises. Best to have a general plan and be willing to break from it I'm thinking.

bkelm18...something you want to ad?

[Caster]

Heavy Metal has good point. There's no reason why anyone here should ever argue over something like that. If you want to believe in nothing or Amun-Ra, I'll stand for your freedom as long as you'll stand for my freedom to choose Christ.

I'm bad about speaking(typing) my mind and often I say things others might find disagreeable. I won't apologize for what I believe, but if I offend, then I am sorry I have offended you. One thing we can agree upon, No deity worth serving will punish for destroying the undead & those who have no liege could care less so let's kill us some walking dead.

[bigbabysweets]

It really is amazing how fast these threads turn bad...

[Guest HvyMtl]

Yeah, agreed Bigbabysweets, but we can go beyond that.

Being fluid is good, but having some specific set plans - in your book of plans - make sense. So, know of a few locations which would suit your needs, know what you need to set those locations up (or any location for that manner) and prepare accordingly.

So. My play book has a few plans, stay where you are, if I have 24 -48 hour notice, if I have to move, if I have zero notice, etc.

[Guest GunTroll]

It really is amazing how fast these threads turn bad...

Not sure how anything turned bad. Public debate is good. Opposing ideals are also good. Pointing out differences... thats right, good as well.

Name calling....not so much good in that. Unless someone who is engaged in this debate is as I mentioned above.."retarded". In that case, sorry.

[Guest bkelm18]

bkelm18...something you want to ad?

Nothing that would contribute to the original intent of the thread.

[Makiaveli]

<removed some good stuff but I agree we all agree Zombies are bad, so let's stick to them.>

Down the road away is a defunct, smaller Lowe's, in an area, including a defunct Lion's grocery, and the former Social Security building. It still has all the amenities the new Lowe's building does, without the stuff inside... including the fenced in area. It would be within walking distance to all types of other buildings, from gas stations, car repair and sales, groceries, hardware, auto parts, and homes. It has a huge empty parking lot, making a clear line of fire.

Thoughts?

I something like that would be great, especially if you had friends/family join up. Lot's of room for storing scavenged materials (assuming it's a long term scenario) so you can drag home anything you find. Would keep out all but most determined assaults and slow down others.

Assuming I can stay put, I will just start collecting fencing from the surrounding area and reinforce the existing fencing and try to stay put. Hmm note to self, make we have enough saddles for everyone in case we do have to bug out...that'll make the wife happy, finally one of my "silly" ideas let's her get new toys

[Mike.357]

Name calling....not so much good in that. Unless someone who is engaged in this debate is as I mentioned above.."retarded". In that case, sorry.

define retarded

[Guest GunTroll]

Al Sharpton.

Jesus forgive me.

also.. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=retarded is funny.

Edited August 11, 2011 by GunTroll

[bigbabysweets]

It hadn't turned bad yet...

I'm all for opposing "debates" but with an open mind on both ends. It's the best way to see how well your plans and ideas will pan out before they're tested.... Religion and families usually get the ball rolling toward a "bad" kind of debate.

Al Sharpton is a waste. One of the worst kinds of manipulative racists ever. When he meets his end I'll have a drink.....

Actually adding to the thread now: I will HAVE to stay fluid during the initial phase of whatever happens. I have rifles, shotguns, and handguns, but live in an apartment. No room to store and can't build any kind of defenses. I'd be forced to outlive others and adapt to a better location when one becomes "available."

[Guest HvyMtl]

Hmm. Suggestion about storage Bigbabysweets...

Do you have a good self storage place close by (walking distance of 2 miles or less)? One that has A/C and is clean.

There you could store something and be able to retrieve it in a SHTF situation.

[bigbabysweets]

That could be a good idea. I'm not sure where the closest one with a/c is. I also know a few people that have had their stuff robbed from them. My wife and I were talking about that right after I made the post! We're gonna look into it. We also have one closet that might be able to keep a few months of food in. It's just one of the only closets we have and it's full of junk. lol I think I have her convinced to hold a big yard sale and all the money will be spent in preparations. I'm wanting to get a better shotgun or a nice assault rifle sometime soon.

[Guest GunTroll]

I need to get an assault toothbrush. Bad breath and Zombies don't mix for extended periods of time.

[Makiaveli]

I need to get an assault toothbrush. Bad breath and Zombies don't mix for extended periods of time.

Don't you need a permit for those?

And not having one could also help with a zombie disguise

Edited August 12, 2011 by Makiaveli
Needz grammerz

[Guest GunTroll]

Maybe, I'll chance it .

My wife has told me my breath comes straight from the depths of hell before, so you maybe onto something !

[ShaunM]

I'm taking my family and some friends to Perry County. I have enough country (redneck) friends with guns and ammo that we should be alright for a long time. Besides I know the area and it isn't to populated.

[Caster]

I'm taking my family and some friends to Perry County. I have enough country (redneck) friends with guns and ammo that we should be alright for a long time. Besides I know the area and it isn't to populated.

Yeah, there's what? Like 9 people that live in Lobelville? Not a bad plan if you know the area well.

Hey you don't know a fella out there goes by Big Daddy do ya? About 12 ft tall, denim overalls, and can knock the bottom out of a litre of Wild Turkey and still be dead sober? He a was good buddy of mine years ago, bought a Blazer from him. Ain't seen him in years and wonder where he got off to.

Edited August 12, 2011 by Caster

[dbla]

See, I think my opinion is different from the rest of what I'm reading. I'm pretty new to this forum but I definitely feel that survivability goes up in the context of community. I mean think about it, I'd want to be friends with a doctor. Sure I could learn to bandage a severe cut and maybe treat a serious infection but what about when you or a loved one comes down with an appendicitis? And on the flip side of that perhaps the doctor doesn't know how to properly protect themselves. I mean I feel like that would apply across the board though, you (or I) can't learn everything. How many of you are fully capable of maintaining your weapons after a cataclysmic failure?? I'd sure help a gunsmith protect him and his if he'd wrench on my Glock if I needed it.

Secondly, I've read the Road, seen The Book of Eli, etc etc. I'm very interested in what I call post-apocalyptica. I loved the discovery channel's "Colony" but I also don't think that severe of breakdown of society will happen except in case of nuclear war or global plague, both of which while possible are distant possibilities. I feel that we're best to be prepared for disaster scenarios. Hurricane Katrina situations, UK riots, Japan's earthquakes and subsequent local nuclear catastrophe. I just have a hard time believing that a major economic decline here in the states would result in the end of civilization. I seriously think something like the first half of Stephen King's "The Stand" would need to happen for this scenario to come about, and those characters gravitated towards community as well. (Another good read is The Postman, if you like apocalyptic fiction).

Anyway, just my two cents.

- Aaron (a new gun owner, and burgeoning survivalist)

[Makiaveli]

I agree that it's unlikely that a recession or depression will result in total collapse etc. But if riots broke out in your area, then until they are over it's a moot point that they will only last 6 weeks and not be the end of the world.

So I guess my point is, if you are prepared for The Stand, and wind up in a Katrina situation you are still good to go.

[dbla]

I agree that it's unlikely that a recession or depression will result in total collapse etc. But if riots broke out in your area, then until they are over it's a moot point that they will only last 6 weeks and not be the end of the world.

So I guess my point is, if you are prepared for The Stand, and wind up in a Katrina situation you are still good to go.

I totally agree with ya, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't prepare for the worst... I'm personally just beginning to setup what I need to have around. I started with an Urban EDC bag with an assortment of gear that I take with me everywhere. Like I said, I'm pretty new to all of this.

[Smittyman]

You guys said it. You don't have to necessarily prepare for a zombie apocalypse, Chinese invasion, or a pretty North Korean firework heading our way. You can prepare all you want though. That way if anything big or small happens - you'll be ready

One handy thing to do is stack up on things you can use any day. Say you stack up on cans of the delicious fancy cut green beans. They can last on the shelf for quite some time. But if you want to use the can, do so. Just next time you go to the store buy an extra can of green beans to replace the can you used. You can do this with a lot of foods and supplies. It can be a constant rotation.