2011 NFL Season

[Il Duce]

Soooo its jealousy then for your dislike?

[laktrash]

Soooo its jealousy then for your dislike?

jealous of Tebow no way, I wanna be a Rock star

More groupies !!

If I was going to be envious of someone I believe I'd set the bar a little higher than Tebow

Edited November 3, 2011 by laktrash

[Guest Victor9er]

the controversy is that because he's Tim Tebow, he's not being held to the same standard as the rest of the qb's who have become before him and because he had 2 bad games, 1 of which he won, he should be benched and Denver should find another solution, because apparently if he doesn't get it after 5 games, he nevers gonna get it.

yep I did. Tebows stats in his first 5 games are better than Elways, and Steve Youngs and several other greats. Surpassed only by Tom Brady and Dan Marino. but we've already hashed this several posts above. I am not saying he will be elite, or as great as some of these guys, I'm just saying he should get the same chance they all got to prove or disprove himself. Aikman looked worse than Tebow in his first two starts, and no one criticized him the way the sports media is piling on Tebow. it's ridiculous. Give him 9 more games and see what he can do, if he can't, then everyone can say, see he couldnt. If he can, then they can all shut the hell up and go gawk and drool over someone else.

There's one big difference between Tebow and those other greats you mentioned... they could all actually throw the ball. No one is holding him to a higher standard. The fact of the matter is there are rookie QBs playing right now in the NFL that look better than Tebow. Yes you keep saying Tebow is basically a rookie, but he's still had an extra year of practice and training camp over these other rookies. And none of them had off-season workouts either.

And that big win that "he" had a couple of weeks ago? Don't make it out to be more than what it was... an OT victory against a winless Dolphin team that was thanks to a defensive fumble and a long FG. Yes, Tebow helped lead the scoring drives at the end of the game... he also had the ball in OT and didn't do diddly squat with it and Denver had to punt the ball back to Miami. If the defense doesn't get that turnover they probably don't win.

But back on topic... It's not about the stats with Tebow as it's his mechanics, the basics of playing QB. Even in college, they acknowledged that they needed to work on it. They brought in a special coach to help him in the spring, they were going to commit to a more "pro-style" offense and put him under center more often. None of it worked, and when it didn't work and Florida started to struggle at all, they went right back to the old Tebow style offense and he reverted back to his crappy mechanics.

He's not accurate, he doesn't have a strong arm, his footwork is a joke, and his wind-up delivery is too long. Top that off with the fact he can't read defenses and holds on to the ball too long and you get what we're seeing, crappy QB play.

Now maybe he can fix that, but it's going to take a LONG time to work those bad habits out of him, and as long as he's playing he's not going to be able to do that. He's going to continue to play the way he always has because it's what's natural to him and no one has been able to get him coached right yet. Denver is running a lot of the "Tebow-style" offense now in an effort to help him, but in the long run that may just end up hurting him because, just like in college.... he can't play in a more pro-style offense so they revert back to that instead. They're basically handicapping him.

Problem is Denver would have to commit to that style of offense long term which means bringing in new players and drafting guys that will compliment it. But again, that takes time and in these days when coaches have 2 maybe 3 years to turn a team around before getting fired, I don't see that happening.

And there's really no comparing him to Cam Newton... Newton throws the ball 100 times better than Tebow does, his arm strength is out of this world, and his footwork isn't perfect but it's miles ahead of Tebow's. And I'm not even a Cam Newton fan.

The best comparison I've heard for Tebow is Vince Young. They have different running styles, but aside from that they are incredibly similar. The only advantage I'd give to Tebow over Young is his character and work ethic, but as far as what you see on the field, there you go.

The hype on Tebow has been astronomical. His senior year they were calling him the greatest college football player ever. Like it or not, when you have that kind of hype people are going to expect more. Add to that the brilliant move (sarcasm) of drafting him in the 1st round and the relentless outcry from his devoted followers and you get what we have now. It's not about holding him to a higher standard, it's about him living up to his hype. To be fair, I don't think anyone could live up to what's been hyped about him, but his fans are so determined to say he can play QB and they want him NOW, despite everyone who knows anything about playing QB in the NFL telling them he's just not ready. But they don't want to hear that...

Edited November 3, 2011 by Victor9er

[Guest WyattEarp]

Just was wondering IF Timmy has a BACK UP plan...if the whole NFL thing doesn't work out...go back to college FINISH his degree?

he did graduate with a bachelor's in family, youth and community services. He also worked with his parents missionary in the Phillipines for 3 summers before enrolling at Florida.

Football is his job and part of his life, but if it doesn't work out the first time around, I don't think he'll give up. His past dictates that he accomplishes what he sets out to do, and when the suggestion came up this week if he would be willing to play a different position, he said it wasn't an option, that this was his dream, and he was going to pursue it dlligently.

an expert once said the following in regards to Vince Lombardi, "He possesses minimal football knowledge and lacks motivation." Lombardi would later write, "It's not whether you get knocked down; it's whether you get back up."

If I had money to wager, I'd put a bet that Tim will at some point succeed and be a starting quarterback for a team in the NFL and have a pretty decent career. He's overcome tremendous odds, and when I look at what he's done in his life, I don't see him failing.

Steve Young had the same start to his career as Tebow, went 2-14 in consecutive seasons, traded to the 49'ers, sat a few years, had a great career, won a Super Bowl, got in the HOF.

Tim Tebow isn't an average QB. I think everyone will agree with that. For him to be successful in the NFL, an offensive coordinator is going to have to CREATE an entire offensive package around his skill sets. That means writing a new playbook and bringing in personnel that will highlight his abilities. He will need strong tight ends, backs and a good slot receiver. He will rarely be a deep threat but with the right package around him, he can be successful in the NFL.

He is NOT going to get a good situation in Denver. It won't happen. They want another Elway and he isn't that. He would do better somewhere like Miami where they aren't afraid of changing a system. Although I don't think he will end up there either.

Alternatively, Tebow could be a great full back or tight end in the NFL but he won't change positions.

he's not your typical qb that's for sure (i'm assuming that's what you meant by saying he isn't average). I have to agree, I don't think he's in the right situation in Denver, the head coach doesn't believe in him, the Front Office doesn't believe in him. I don't know about the Elway statement, they are pretty similar in terms of build, size, body frame, have the ability to scramble and improvise. He just has some accuracy issues and blitz recognition and defense reading problems. but he's definitely not a pocket passer YET...steve young wasn't, but it was something he worked on and overcame.

He needs a coach (like Bill Belichick) who can take the time and devote to re-training him and breaking him of his bad habits, tailor an offense to match his strengths and abilities and minimize his faults and weaknesses. and he will need the support of a front office. When Denver chose to bench Orton and start Tebow, I was foolish to think that he had that front support, but he doesn't. If he had that support, they would have started him over Orton to begin the season, and regardless of how bad he played, they would have committed to him and rebuilding the team, and let him start all 16 games.

You pointed out how poor Dalton's five wins are, as they only beat one winning team and lost to Denver.

I did not expect him to win five games the entire season. He has lost to a good 49'r team. And to Denver at Mile High. Nothing at all for him to hang his head over. I don't kid myself that Cincy is a top team.I do not expect them to beat Pittsburgh at all. If they sweep Cleveland and split with Baltimore they might sneak in. Would be nice to beat Nashville this week.

Tebow played when denver beat Miami, thats a lot isn't it? Got no idea who else they beat in spite of him playing.

I'm not taking anything away from Dalton, he's playing very well for a rookie, and he's earned it. But I won't pass judgement and just say he's better or worse than another rookie QB until I have a full body of work to examine and base an informed and educated opinion off of. Just because it was 15-0 at halftime with the Dolphins over the Broncos, I didnt throw in the towel, turn off the tube and say well that's that. I watched the whole game, and was rewarded for doing so. It's not over till it's over. Same goes with the season. Dalton could do an about face after the bye week, and drop all of the rest of his games, and then I would ask you if your opinion has changed on his performance based on the results of the entire season? Additionally, the next question that comes up, is can he do it again next year? There's been many bright promising qb's who had a good first year, and then were never heard of again and found themselves out of the NFL in a hurry. If Dalton establishes himself with a few good consecutive seasons, and is overall consistent, then I will whole heartedly agree that he's a legit, quality qb who came in and did a fine job.

If he flops in years 2 and 3, I probably will point out that his 5-2 mark was nothiing more than a fluke against several poor quality teams.

Me ?? Hatred is a little strong, I just dislike him from FL days. Just get tried of all his groupies making him something he's not, like a great quarterback. Things like no receivers, no line etc. So Denver kept the best QB on the bench because he had bad players not likely. Tenn didn't blame Vinces playing on everybody else. He just sucked. I've yet to hear anything positive from the sports programs about his quality of play. Tebo just wasn't prepared to play pro ball. So all the groupies can continue make excuses and cheer him on.

capbyrd called it right when he said he would make a great tight end I agree with this, but still I wouldn't like him.

I don't think anyone's verbally made him into a great qb (at least in the NFL). He's earned the status of being a great QB in college, but college is different from the NFL. The potential is there, he has the leadership, the calm demeanor, he's not getting rattled by the media being on his case, he's a very mature, young man, who is probably more honest and dedicated than any person on this forum (including myself), and he's handled this entire situation (being drafted in the first round by Denver, and now the controversy surround his quality of play) very very well. To be honest, I'd have gone Ryan Leaf on Merril Hoge and Trent Dilfer, if I were in Tebow's shoes, and it wouldn't have done me a bit of good either, lol.

But I find it strange, he gets the start after the bye week, has a rough game, but wins, then he goes up against one of the best defensive lines in all of football, and one of the top defenses in the league, and has a miserable day, and suddenly everyone wants to throw him under the bus and bench him, and cut him or trade him and get rid of him. I don't get it. Denver's season is done, (although mathematically they are only 2 games back from a tie for the division...how that's possible I have no clue , the division is just bad this year), might as well just keep him in there and see what happens. At worst he doesn't improve, and they move on from him after the season. At best, he does improve, becomes more efficient, and so Denver has an option, and a few months to make a decision on which they want to go. There is no benefit to playing Orton any longer, he's lost his motivation and will, he just wants out and his contract is up. Quinn is a Free Agent in March, and if he plays too much Denver has to give up a 3rd round pick to Cleveland, so why would they do that? It's not beneficial.

The only other option they really have is to pull Adam Weber from the practice squad and let him and Tebow get more game time action and get some development.

There's one big difference between Tebow and those other greats you mentioned... they could all actually throw the ball. No one is holding him to a higher standard. The fact of the matter is there are rookie QBs playing right now in the NFL that look better than Tebow. Yes you keep saying Tebow is basically a rookie, but he's still had an extra year of practice and training camp over these other rookies. And none of them had off-season workouts either.

And that big win that "he" had a couple of weeks ago? Don't make it out to be more than what it was... an OT victory against a winless Dolphin team that was thanks to a defensive fumble and a long FG. Yes, Tebow helped lead the scoring drives at the end of the game... he also had the ball in OT and didn't do diddly squat with it and Denver had to punt the ball back to Miami. If the defense doesn't get that turnover they probably don't win.

If he wasn't being held to a higher standard, then the media wouldn't be calling for him to be benched right now, and saying Denver needs to draft Andrew Luck or Matt Barkeley, they'd evaluate his play, and wait till the end of the season, but 2 starts and they've already given up on the guy.

he can throw the ball, he had a good toss to brandon lloyd who made a spectacular one handed catch on the sidelines at the end of the charger game. he did it again with the TD to Decker that was called off because he was out of bounds, it's not that he can't throw the ball, it's that he can't do it consistently. That pass was as pretty as any I've seen him throw

Well that win against Miami didn't seem all that impressive, but the Dolphins took it to the Giants on Sunday and almost beat them too, so either the Giants suck worse than their 5-2 record suggests or the Dolphins are better than their winless record suggests. Giants have a pretty stout defense and a semi-potent offense and good coaching.

Cam is a freak, he does throw the ball very well and considerably better than Tebow, no denying that, and he's got a more complete team to help support him than Denver does.

I'm not defending his play or his deficiencies, I'm just looking at the big picture and basing my opinion off of

the odds he's overcome in the past and what he's proven.

the mentality he has (I can do anything, overcome any obstacle, overcome my bad mechanics/footwork)

his games against San Diego (last year, 2nd half of the game this year), Houston, Oakland (last year), and that game against the Dolphins, and the ability he has shown in those games.

the majority of rookies or 2nd year QB's, typically don't come in and have the success that Dalton and Newton are having, Tebow's middle of the pack, he's 2-3, with some rough performances, but I want to see his full body of work. Who's to say last Sunday wasn't the result of a bad day against a great football team?

His attitude is what sticks out the most to me, very positive, very optimistic, he doesn't make any excuses.

There's way too many variables involved to be able to say he's not ready and he can't do it. At the same time there's not enough evidence to show that he can do it and do it consistently, but that's the growing pains of putting in a young inexperienced qb, and letting him develop and grow. That's what Denver needs to find out. Is his play a result of a bad Oline not giving him enough time to throw? mediocre WR's who aren't running their routers properly and not getting separation from the db's? Is the coach calling plays that will maximize his success and that are based on his strengths? Is the lack of a solid running game, putting too much pressure on him, and requiring him to throw the ball 40 times a game? How about the lack of screen plays and play action passes? Maybe the game is too fast for him mentally right now, and he's struggling to get a grasp on it? Is he so afraid of failure and throwing an INT, or taking a sack, that it may be mentally holding himself back without realizing it and it's causing a lack of confidence or fear of failure?

That's what needs to be evaluated, and without playing the rest of the season, the team, the coach and Elway won't have a clear and sound body of evidence in which to evaluate, and make their decision.

but I'm finished talking about Tebow (i'm sure to everyone's relief), i'm wore out from talking about Tebow, it's given me a headache, and people aren't going to change their opinions no matter how long I or any other Tebow supporter continues to discuss him. I'm not defending hm personally, just defending him being given a legitimate chance (rest of the season). Some people see what I see, and many others don't, so we'll all just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Mike.357]

I will give you credit for one thing. Your posts are massive. No shortage of words, LOL

[Guest mustangdave]

I will give you credit for one thing. Your posts are massive. No shortage of words, LOL

He must enjoy watching himself write....jk....

[Guest adamoxtwo]

Tebow had a great week up to this point. It's not over yet, but he has shown how he can contribute to at this level. Basically, I look at him like a big ben in his early days. Only Ben had more talent around him. My point is he is protecting the ball. He was around 50% today under 200 yards, but had two touchdowns, and rand for almost 100. All of these stats mean little....it's the turnovers! ZERO. Not an impressive game all together, but igt proves that if you make few mistakes in this game you can win as an average to below average QB.

[Mike.357]

qb's aren't supposed to have to run for 100 yards.

How about Andy Dalton and the Bengals? There is a guy who plays within himself and has success. No int's, and some TD's.

I am about to bust.

And how about Carson and 3 TD's? they lost in spite of Tebow.

[Mike.357]

Oh yeah, go Ravens!

[Guest adamoxtwo]

qb's aren't supposed to have to run for 100 yards.

Says Who? Vick Does, Cunningham and Steve Young Did. Wait didn't Steve Young go to the hall of fame? Not saying that Tebow is a fraction of any of these, just clearing up that fact that a QB does what he needs to do to win. Even if that means running the ball from time to time.

[Guest WyattEarp]

Tebow's pass stats weren't great, but he looked a lot more comfortable out there today, but most importantly, the rest of the team showed up to play and supported him. Oakland was in his face all day, he got his lip busted open on one hit, but he didn't panic. He's starting to grasp it. Needs to work on not forcing the ball into double coverage, but aside from two wild errant throws that missed his receivers badly, I thought he managed the game well, even when we were down by 10. Props to the defense for showing up, and how bout Champ Bailey with them 2 picks of Carson Palmer? The Broncos put up 298 yards rushing on Oakland. McGahee had a huge day. The more experience he gets the better he will get. How much better? Who knows, his pass stats are average, but yet he's pretty consistent between 40% and 48%. That's ok for his first several starts, but he's gonna have to get the numbers up into the upper 50, lower 60% range to be effective long term.

Next week at Kansas City, who will be angry about losing to the Dolphins. should be interesting. It's kinda scary the Broncos are only 1 game out of first in the AFC West at 3-5, not that I'm expecting them to make the playoffs, but the whole division isn't that good.

Props to Dalton, played a good game, didn't watch it, but i saw the highlights. Big test against the Steelers next week.

[Guest Victor9er]

I thought Palmer played pretty well, with the exception of the 3 INTs. Still he had 3 TD passes also and threw the ball pretty well. Only his first real game with the Raiders after sitting out for so long, looks like he's getting his "sea legs" under him so we'll see if the Raiders can recover from here on out.

I think the big story in that game was just that the Broncos ran all over the Raiders defense. I know they were using that zone read option that Tebow ran in Florida, so maybe they just weren't prepared for it, but they couldn't stop the Broncos from running the ball. I don't think Tebow even threw the ball at all in the 4th quarter, and they still came from behind to win. The INTs, and punt return certainly helped their case also, but that was some lousy defensive play by the Raiders.

Tebow... I hate to say it but... to his credit he was effective. Another below 50% completion performance but the 2 TDs and zero turnovers plus the 100+ yards running were just enough to help his team win.

Dalton in Cincy continues to impress... their defense is playing much better this year also though, that goes a long way.

How about that Cardinals game? Peterson's 99 yard punt return for a TD in OT!!

[Guest WyattEarp]

not a stellar performance in the passing stats department by Tebow, but he got the win, and threw a nice 56 yard bomb to Decker for a TD, and ran for another score. 3-1 as a starter this year, 4-3 overall (last year + this year). can't argue with winning, he's winning and Cam Newton is not, even though Cam's play from a passing perspective and stat wise is much better.

Broncos racked up another 244 yards rushing against the Chiefs, in addition to the 298 they stamped on Oakland's ass last weekend lol, tied for 2nd in the AFC West w/ the Chargers...now who'd have ever thought that the Broncos would be in the race for the division and a playoff spot? Certainly not I.

Mike.357, your boys played pretty decent yesterday, but 2 costly picks by the rookie gave the game to the Steelers, but they kept it close, give 'em credit for that. S

[Mike.357]

Yep the winning streak is done. I hope they don't go on a streak in the other direction.

When they went down 14-0 i thought it was going to get ugly. But they made a game of it.

_

The real downer of the loss is losing leon hall for the season. And green is hurt too.

Maybe they will bounce back against baltimore next week.

[Guest WyattEarp]

Well, despite his terrible mechanics, despite his poor passing stats, I don't care what anyone says about Tim Tebow, he did it again. 95 yard drive, with 4 minutes to go, he marches the Broncos down the field against a Top 15 defense for the winning score and the defense sealed the win by batting down a Mark Sanchez hail mary.

He brought 'em back from 15 down to Miami, brought 'em back from 10 down against Oakland, and he did it again tonight against the Jets.

Say what you will about Tebow, but all he does is win. 4-1 as a starter this year, and something special, something magical is happening in Denver since Kyle Orton was benched.

Even I'm shocked. I've never seen anything like this in my life. He just does what he needs to and has to win a football game.

Denver a 1/2 game back for a share of the division leadpending the Oakland game and the Chargers game on Sunday.

If someone told me Denver would be a half game back to be tied for the division and in contention for the playoffs at this point in this season, I'd have laughed at them.

Tebow has IT!

[Il Duce]

I watched the game and as a Dolphin fan it sucks to root for another AFC team but it makes it easier when a team is facing the Jets. I was laughing in the 4th quarter because it reminded me of the good ole days at Florida.

[Guest WyattEarp]

if the coaching staff builds a solid defense, and a good OLine, and a solid RB, Tim Tebow can play like this his whole career, and they'll win games, they'll win playoff games and Super Bowls. Defense wins championships.

If Dilfer can win a SB with the Ravens D, Tebow can do it with the Broncos if they get the D built.

[Il Duce]

Problem is they'll run into the same problems the Dolphins Wildcat scheme did. The rest of the league will catch on.

[Mike.357]

Nobody is figuring out how to stop Tebow yet.

Somehow he keeps getting it done.

[Guest WyattEarp]

Problem is they'll run into the same problems the Dolphins Wildcat scheme did. The rest of the league will catch on.

I dont know, the jets contained it for most of the game, but they couldnt stop it when it mattered most. something about Tebow and the 4th quarter and the confidence he exudes has infected the rest of the team. It wasnt pretty but it got the job done.

[Il Duce]

He is the ultimate closer

[laktrash]

Looks more like a case of Jets Losing than Broncos winning. I do get a laugh at sports guys going from Tebo "sucks" to Tebo "magic" amazing how this works. Wyatt glad for you that your getting to enjoy his success. No bandwagon for me tho' I still think it'll be short lived.

You know the quote "A blind hog wil find an acorn ever once in awhile"

Edited November 18, 2011 by laktrash

[Guest Victor9er]

I watched that game and the only thing I can think of to sum it up is.... INCONCEIVABLE!!

Here's what I got out of watching that game...

1) the QB play was atrocious, on both sides. Tebow simply cannot throw the ball from the pocket. Two of his biggest pass plays were screens/swing passes. The one big pass play he converted on that last drive was a spectacular catch from a horrible pass. The Jets faired a little better, but not by much. Sanchez has a hard time pushing the ball down the field and is streaky at best. With all of the opportunities the Jets had they should have scored at least 24 or 28 points in that game.

2) The Denver defense is MUCH improved, at least their run defense is. Not sure how they would hold up against a top tier passer, but I give the defense credit for shutting down the Jets run game.

3) The Broncos don't win that game without that pick-six followed by the fumble recovery on the kickoff. Granted Denver didn't do anything with it but it was huge in terms of field position. The Jets would have had their best starting fied position of the night following that bone-headed throw by Sanchez. Instead they fumble and get the ball back deep in their own territory after Denver's punt.

4) The Denver coaching staff is not your typical NFL coaching staff. Kudos to them for completely changing their offensive scheme to make the best of Tebow's abilities. They are basically running a college option and wildcat offense. So far, it's working. We'll see how much longer it will last.

if the coaching staff builds a solid defense, and a good OLine, and a solid RB, Tim Tebow can play like this his whole career, and they'll win games, they'll win playoff games and Super Bowls. Defense wins championships.

If Dilfer can win a SB with the Ravens D, Tebow can do it with the Broncos if they get the D built.

Ahh, but the problem is how long would that career be? In this offense Tebow is basically a running back. What's the career length of a typical running back in the NFL? 5 years? Is that what you want out of your 1st round franchise QB, a 5 year window before he gets too banged up to play like that anymore?

And here's the other thing. Like you said, Denver would have to commit to that type of offense. Problem is, Tebow is the only guy that can run it. And when you have an offense built for one guy like that, especially if he's a running QB, what happens when he does get hurt? You don't have to look any further than the Colts to see what happens when the one guy that can run your offense with success goes down.

I'll say this, Tebow can play football. He's a talented guy, a heck of a leader, and a fierce competetor. Whatever "it" is, he's got it. He most certainly can play football in the NFL there's no doubt about that. But he cannot play QB in the NFL, I think that is also obvious.

Before you go off on defending him hear me out. What he's doing now is not playing QB, he's Ronnie Brown from the Dolphins wildcat offense a couple of years ago. It's working at the moment, and I'm sure they'll ride him untill someone figures out how to stop it. But I don't see that being a long-term solution for Denver. It's a band-aid for a wound that needs stiches. And untill Tebow can show that he can throw the ball and actually play QB from time to time, I don't see this lasting past this season. Enjoy Tebow-mania while it lasts. It's certainly entertaining to watch I'll give you that.

But I still have to say... INCONCEIVABLE!!

[Guest WyattEarp]

Looks more like a case of Jets Losing than Broncos winning.

wow, talk about not giving any credit to Denver's defense for the game they played, so I guess the Broncos loss to the Titans was just a case of the Broncos losing as opposed to the Titans winning?

flawed logic sir. Denver's defense was outstanding last night, and they are kind of getting overshadowed by Tim Tebow's magical 95 yard drive, and they deserve as much credit as he does, they won together as a team, and the Jets lost as a team.

I watched that game and the only thing I can think of to sum it up is.... INCONCEIVABLE!!

Here's what I got out of watching that game...

1) the QB play was atrocious, on both sides. Tebow simply cannot throw the ball from the pocket. Two of his biggest pass plays were screens/swing passes. The one big pass play he converted on that last drive was a spectacular catch from a horrible pass. The Jets faired a little better, but not by much. Sanchez has a hard time pushing the ball down the field and is streaky at best. With all of the opportunities the Jets had they should have scored at least 24 or 28 points in that game.

2) The Denver defense is MUCH improved, at least their run defense is. Not sure how they would hold up against a top tier passer, but I give the defense credit for shutting down the Jets run game.

3) The Broncos don't win that game without that pick-six followed by the fumble recovery on the kickoff. Granted Denver didn't do anything with it but it was huge in terms of field position. The Jets would have had their best starting fied position of the night following that bone-headed throw by Sanchez. Instead they fumble and get the ball back deep in their own territory after Denver's punt.

4) The Denver coaching staff is not your typical NFL coaching staff. Kudos to them for completely changing their offensive scheme to make the best of Tebow's abilities. They are basically running a college option and wildcat offense. So far, it's working. We'll see how much longer it will last.

Ahh, but the problem is how long would that career be? In this offense Tebow is basically a running back. What's the career length of a typical running back in the NFL? 5 years? Is that what you want out of your 1st round franchise QB, a 5 year window before he gets too banged up to play like that anymore?

And here's the other thing. Like you said, Denver would have to commit to that type of offense. Problem is, Tebow is the only guy that can run it. And when you have an offense built for one guy like that, especially if he's a running QB, what happens when he does get hurt? You don't have to look any further than the Colts to see what happens when the one guy that can run your offense with success goes down.

I'll say this, Tebow can play football. He's a talented guy, a heck of a leader, and a fierce competetor. Whatever "it" is, he's got it. He most certainly can play football in the NFL there's no doubt about that. But he cannot play QB in the NFL, I think that is also obvious.

Before you go off on defending him hear me out. What he's doing now is not playing QB, he's Ronnie Brown from the Dolphins wildcat offense a couple of years ago. It's working at the moment, and I'm sure they'll ride him untill someone figures out how to stop it. But I don't see that being a long-term solution for Denver. It's a band-aid for a wound that needs stiches. And untill Tebow can show that he can throw the ball and actually play QB from time to time, I don't see this lasting past this season. Enjoy Tebow-mania while it lasts. It's certainly entertaining to watch I'll give you that.

But I still have to say... INCONCEIVABLE!!

inconceivable for sure, I had my doubts the first 2 plays of the final drive, and then all of a sudden we're at our own 40 yard line, and I'm thinking the SOB is gonna do it again, and sure enough he did, and I just sat in my chair and watched in disbelief at what I was seeing. All I was thinking was 95 yards, Jets D has forced 4 consecutive 3 and outs, this thing is likely over, but my curiosity kept my attention focused till the finish. I kept waiting for an INT or a fumble (guess I'm gun shy because of all the Kyle Orton blunders of the past 2 1/4 seasons), but that never happened, Tebow just took control.

the defense was as much as a factor as the offense and special teams, it was a team win, not a Tebow win. Go Broncos!

Denver's pass D gave up 252 yards through the air, but didn't allow a single passing touchdown, so I think that counts for something.

he can't throw the ball from the pocket....YET. the biggest thing I see him doing, is throwing off that back foot instead of stepping up int he pocket and stepping into (forward) his throws, if he can overcome his tendency to do that, I think the rest will fall into place. The few times I did see him stepping into his throws, his passes were crisp and had velocity and were accurately placed. Probably more a mental thing than anything, does it without realizing it, and at times consciously tries to remember to step into his throws and is able to do it. but the more work he gets and the more time his coaches spend working with him and he breaks that habit/tendency, I think he'll develop into a efficient qb, maybe not elite or high caliber passer, but good enough to be under center and be competitive.

[laktrash]

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