Worried about all the senseless killing

[dralarms]

Ok,

Maybe I'm weird but all these stupid people running around killing people is getting me worried. I mean as crazy as people are in this day and time I'm begining to wonder if some of this crap is planned out by the anti's to find a way to make the gov. take action and make a new and total ban on gun ownership.

I mean think about it, you now have citizens (no I didn't call them Amercians) actually joining Bin Laden's ranks, what if some of these nut jobs are goinig out killing a few people and then killing themselves just to undermine out security?

There is just too much of the crap to be random, unless I'm imanigining it. As I'm sitting here I'm looking towards the future of this country and if we don't do something this country may well be a lost cause. I know some people already beleive that it's a lost cause but I don't, but if we don't do something, get involved, and take our country back we won't have one to take back.

[Paletiger13]

Its like that movie with Mel Gibson, where he was brainwashed by the CIA. I also thought about that too.

[Guest heli-cal]

You should be more worried about what you write as it utterly lacks credulity and appears to a worldwide audience, some of whom will doubtlessly monitor every Forum of this type as they will belong to anti-gun and other organisations.

Statements such as yours provide ammunition (no pun intended) to such people.

[Guest ACMM]

The common link is not the guns, but the psychotropic drugs they are ALL on.

[Im Neero]

There are 3,000,000 people in the US. No one has to brainwash anyone to do anything, there is already somebody doing whatever.

[Guest jaypee]

I'm pretty worried about it too, my friend, but not from the standpoint of our enemies being the cause of it. I was a LEO for 30 years and had the priveledge of watching the ship start to go down a long time before that fact was generally recognized by the public at large, and I certainly agree that we need to take our country back. But badges and guns and courts and prisons won't be the instruments that will do it for us.

I believe the secret to taking our country back is to let God back into our national institutions, from the schoolhouse to the State House, and even to the prison system. We absolutely must revive Godly morality throughout our entire society, with a certainty that personal accountability for our own actions will be required, not suggested. We must reestablish the standards of clear cut right and wrong, decency, brotherly love, the sanctity of life, good parenting, love of country, respect for elders, school teachers with authority, kids with none, and the goodness of our nation and its principles for all to see. Godliness and Godly conduct have been at the core of this country's existence and its system of laws since the beginning, and making it unfashionable, un-American, or Politically Incorrect is something we should never have allowed in a million years.

I guess my point is that we will never stop these people from such terrible acts with the threat of cops or prisons, or guns or militias or neighborhood watch programs. Cops and prisons and guns and all these other things don't scare them because in their twisted morality they believe they are only responsible to themselves. We have to reinstill a belief in our national conscience that at some time in our existence we will be required to stand before a supreme being and explain ourselves, and that in the meantime, we are responsible to our brother citizens for our conduct. Morality, decency, peace, and law and order begin with those beliefs.

JayPee

[DWARREN123]

Strange times, but only people can be evil.

Gun Free Zones invite this type of behavior since the crazy see it on TV and go out to copycat it.

[Rightwinger]

I'm pretty worried about it too, my friend, but not from the standpoint of our enemies being the cause of it. I was a LEO for 30 years and had the priveledge of watching the ship start to go down a long time before that fact was generally recognized by the public at large, and I certainly agree that we need to take our country back. But badges and guns and courts and prisons won't be the instruments that will do it for us.

I believe the secret to taking our country back is to let God back into our national institutions, from the schoolhouse to the State House, and even to the prison system. We absolutely must revive Godly morality throughout our entire society, with a certainty that personal accountability for our own actions will be required, not suggested. We must reestablish the standards of clear cut right and wrong, decency, brotherly love, the sanctity of life, good parenting, love of country, respect for elders, school teachers with authority, kids with none, and the goodness of our nation and its principles for all to see. Godliness and Godly conduct have been at the core of this country's existence and its system of laws since the beginning, and making it unfashionable, un-American, or Politically Incorrect is something we should never have allowed in a million years.

I guess my point is that we will never stop these people from such terrible acts with the threat of cops or prisons, or guns or militias or neighborhood watch programs. Cops and prisons and guns and all these other things don't scare them because in their twisted morality they believe they are only responsible to themselves. We have to reinstill a belief in our national conscience that at some time in our existence we will be required to stand before a supreme being and explain ourselves, and that in the meantime, we are responsible to our brother citizens for our conduct. Morality, decency, peace, and law and order begin with those beliefs.

JayPee

Yep!

[dralarms]

You should be more worried about what you write as it utterly lacks credulity and appears to a worldwide audience, some of whom will doubtlessly monitor every Forum of this type as they will belong to anti-gun and other organisations.

Statements such as yours provide ammunition (no pun intended) to such people.

You know I started to let your comment go un responded to but what makes you think my comments have no credibility? I never suggested that we "take over the government". I simply expressed concern that with the crazies in the world now we have to do something to preserve our freedoms.

My statement is simply my opnion, nothing more nothing less, I AM entitled to it as you are entitled to disagree with me.

That being said, my opinion still stands, we do have problems, they are being caused by crazy people and they can cost our freedoms if we are not careful.

Note to the MODS, If this should not be posted here please delete the entire thread so paranoid people won't feel I'm putting us at risk.

[dralarms]

I believe the secret to taking our country back is to let God back into our national institutions, from the schoolhouse to the State House, and even to the prison system. We absolutely must revive Godly morality throughout our entire society, with a certainty that personal accountability for our own actions will be required, not suggested. We must reestablish the standards of clear cut right and wrong, decency, brotherly love, the sanctity of life, good parenting, love of country, respect for elders, school teachers with authority, kids with none, and the goodness of our nation and its principles for all to see. Godliness and Godly conduct have been at the core of this country's existence and its system of laws since the beginning, and making it unfashionable, un-American, or Politically Incorrect is something we should never have allowed in a million years.

JayPee

Agreed, but unless some MAJOR crisis was to come about, it will never happen, to many people think they actually can run things with out HIM, I've tried and fall on my face every time.

[Guest jaypee]

Dralarms and all:

My point in my earlier post is that our problems with mass murder by unlawful gunfire in our country are of our own doing, not that of our enemies, and it is going to take some real undoing to straighten it out. It's a lot easier to keep the horse in the corral in the first place than to let it get out and have to chase it down. Right now I see us as a nation just starting to realize that some dummy let the horse out and wondering what the heck we're going to do about it. In other words, lots and lots of Americans are as worried as you are, I'm one of them, and that concern will translate into action before too much longer, IMHO.

My biggest concern is that the action taken by the majority will be thoughtful enough to correctly identify the problem as being the unlawful use of guns by evil people, and not start a hard charge against lawful gun owners who act in all propriety. I hope they will ignore the anti-gun rhetoric that could fall on us after the coming general election, and will leave our Second Amendment rights intact. The worst thing gun owners could possibly do right now is act brashly and give our adversaries ammunition to use against us in the voting booth. Best wishes to all you folks.

JayPee

Edited March 5, 2008 by jaypee

[molonlabetn]

Good post JayPee,

There are 2 camps, it seems, who are at odds with the solution to the problem. One wants to ban all guns or regulate them into oblivion, the other wants to equalize the ability for everyone to meet force with force, and only punish those who misuse them.

The comparison is similar to, hypothetically, if fast cars were used in a growing speeding problem... one group wants to take away everybody's cars or regulate them into oblivion (only cops should have fast cars...etc...), the other wants to simply punish people who misuse them and reward those who don't.

The common theme is that one camp focuses on the object, the other upon the person. Simply asking the question which of the two has the free will to decide whether to do evil provides the answer to which side's path towards deterrence makes any sense.

[Smith]

Good post JayPee,

There are 2 camps, it seems, who are at odds with the solution to the problem. One wants to ban all guns or regulate them into oblivion, the other wants to equalize the ability for everyone to meet force with force, and only punish those who misuse them.

The comparison is similar to, hypothetically, if fast cars were used in a growing speeding problem... one group wants to take away everybody's cars or regulate them into oblivion (only cops should have fast cars...etc...), the other wants to simply punish people who misuse them and reward those who don't.

The common theme is that one camp focuses on the object, the other upon the person. Simply asking the question which of the two has the free will to decide whether to do evil provides the answer to which side's path towards deterrence makes any sense.

It's the old secularist argument that people are simply products of their environment. Right and wrong are learned through these environments and so are relative to the surroundings. If that is the case you could change lives by simply changing the objects in them, or removing them as the case may be.

Those who believe that right and wrong are absolute and that "God" is the purveyor of such, then environment is theoretically irrelevant. Right and wrong are absolute and inherently known. In this system, wrong is a conscience choice made by an individual whose consequences he must accept.

I choose to protect myself from others bad choices, because it is the right, responsible thing to do.

[Guest jaypee]

Yes, and the reasonableness of either view has to be considered, in any case, by their respective effects on society. If you blame the behavior, then the ony harmful effect is to run up your bill for maintaining the prison system, while the positive effect is to maintain your populations' ability to defend itself where government is unable to do so, and to uphold the public's right to make its own decisions.

However, if we blame the object, the effect is to disarm the public and leave it at the mercy of lawbreakers. It would also create a terriblly hostile and long lasting conflict between a large segment of the population and its government. It would undermine the publics' right to choose.......and that has a tail on it a mile long.......and could easily be made into a precedent for an extention of governments' power to into any number of areas of our lives. Furthermore, it would unavoidably create a massive government agency to oversee the confiscation of arms. Positive aspects? You could probably get reloading components real cheap, but other than that I can't think of any. My signature below says it all.......

JayPee

Edited March 5, 2008 by jaypee

[Guest 2HOW]

There is no doubt much to worry about these days. The economy the violence the economy the violence the illegals the illegals , yeah I know I said it twice. The stupid dumb ass people we elect to represent us. Our own dumb asses for letting this crap happen. But that is how Americans are, think about it, we never do a thing unless our backs are against the wall. We just go about status quo, until TSHTF and then we act. All I know is pray and vote, and if they come for our guns give em back, 1 round at a time.

[Smith]

Yes, and the reasonableness of either view has to be considered, in any case, by their respective effects on society. If you blame the behavior, then the ony harmful effect is to run up your bill for maintaining the prison system, while the positive effect is to maintain your populations' ability to defend itself where government is unable to do so, and to uphold the public's right to make its own decisions.

However, if we blame the object, the effect is to disarm the public and leave it at the mercy of lawbreakers. It would also create a terriblly hostile and long lasting conflict between a large segment of the population and its government. It would undermine the publics' right to choose.......and that has a tail on it a mile long.......and could easily be made into a precedent for an extention of governments' power to into any number of areas of our lives. Furthermore, it would unavoidably create a massive government agency to oversee the confiscation of arms. Positive aspects? You could probably get reloading components real cheap, but other than that I can't think of any. My signature below says it all.......

JayPee

That's why secular societies always end in failure. There has to be a final authority on morality ect. In the absence of "God", or external authority, the end result is Government has to become that authority. Socialism does not work and never will because humans can not be God. They end up abusing power and then revolt.

[Im Neero]

Historically, pretty much every society ends in failure, if given enough time, including religious ones.