Holster Questions

[wcsc12]

I'm not 100% sure on how to really describe what I want but I'll do my best. I want a polymer holster (I don't really like leather) and either OWB or back holster. What I really want is for it to be able to tilt in either direction 90 degrees. This way I can have it on side facing straight down or on my back facing to the left. I'd also love it if it had the button on it to remove your gun from the holster that releases the friction.

Does such a thing exist? If so, please tell me about it because right now, I'm at a blank.

This holster will be for a Sig P226 as well.

[peejman]

I've never seen a holster like that either. I suspect you'd have to get one for each position.

I would encourage you to re-think SOB carry. It's not as accessible or concealable as you might think. And it really hurts if you fall on it.

maybe this... Fobus Holster: Roto-Holstersâ„¢

[wcsc12]

I've never seen a holster like that either. I suspect you'd have to get one for each position.

I would encourage you to re-think SOB carry. It's not as accessible or concealable as you might think. And it really hurts if you fall on it.

maybe this... Fobus Holster: Roto-Holsters™

lol sorry...not laughing at you but rather I reported the 2 duplicates and they removed one of the duplicates and the other one that I had edited with more information.

So....here we go again.

P226 Paddle Holster

Sig makes a Paddle Holster that states it will rotate the full 360 degrees to allow you to have it at any angle. I've been looking to see if other holsters do this but they don't actually state it.

I don't really know of the quality of the Sig holster either. Some people were saying the Blackhawk Serpa was better but it doesn't actually state that it will rotate like that. In fact, when I searched for the Serpa rotating 360 degrees it popped up about some kit that you could buy that would sorta let you do it but it costs extra instead of just being with the product from the beginning.

[daddyo]

You didn't say what the purpose of the holster was, but if you're planning on concealed carry, the Fobus Roto Paddle is a really poor choice because it doesn't hold the weapon close to the body.

I have one, but I use it only to carry openly around my property.

[Guest friesepferd]

You didn't say what the purpose of the holster was, but if you're planning on concealed carry, the Fobus Roto Paddle is a really poor choice because it doesn't hold the weapon close to the body.

I have one, but I use it only to carry openly around my property.

+1

if this is for CC, its going to be difficult to do either way with both OWB and SOB.

If for OC or range use, im sure theres plenty out there

[MikePapa1]

If you don't like leather, then one of the synthetics that mirrors the Cross Breed Super Tuck would be the best for concealment. I use the SuperTuck for my 220 or 226 when I dress casually as it gives great concealment. When in a suit, I carry in the Galco SkyOps, but it's leather.

[wcsc12]

You didn't say what the purpose of the holster was, but if you're planning on concealed carry, the Fobus Roto Paddle is a really poor choice because it doesn't hold the weapon close to the body.

I have one, but I use it only to carry openly around my property.

Oh...uhm...I dunno...concealed carry then. I don't care if it shows a bit but I just really want to be well made and last forever...emphasis on the word forever so good quality is definitely a plus.

If you don't like leather, then one of the synthetics that mirrors the Cross Breed Super Tuck would be the best for concealment. I use the SuperTuck for my 220 or 226 when I dress casually as it gives great concealment. When in a suit, I carry in the Galco SkyOps, but it's leather.

Does the Super Tuck allow for 360 degree rotation?

[MikePapa1]

Does the Super Tuck allow for 360 degree rotation?

No, it allows a range of cant but no where near 360 degrees.

[East_TN_Patriot]

IMHO, you would be far better off just finding a single carry position and stick with it. Part of accessing your weapon quickly under stress is the muscle memory you gain from consistently accessing your weapon from the same position over and over again. This is why police duty holsters have tension screws to keep them in place on the duty belt (and also why the duty holsters with retention features instruct the user to practice! practice! practice! with removing the firearm). The last thing you want is to end up in a deadly force encounter and reach for your pistol only to say, "Oh poop! I forgot I put my holster on the left side and upside down today... or is it in the small of my back? No, wait, crossdraw!"

Or just wait until you forget to check the tightness of the screws and your super-duper roto-holster spins upside down when you bump it against something and your pistol falls out.

Edited June 28, 2011 by East_TN_Patriot

[LawVol]

This sounds pretty close, too, but I'm not sure how a paddle would feel worn at SOB.

SIG 226 9/40/357 Retention Black Holster New Israeli Tactical

Looks like the same thing as the Sig branded holster, just a lot cheaper.

Edited June 28, 2011 by LawVol

[gregintenn]

Do you want it to make waffles and wash windows too?

[wcsc12]

No, it allows a range of cant but no where near 360 degrees.

I really need it to be able to at least go 90 degrees in either direction at the least.

Do you want it to make waffles and wash windows too?

Yes and No. The waffles would be awesome but I've got a guy already who washes my windows (it's me btw ). But seriously, is that really asking a lot out of a holster?

IMHO, you would be far better off just finding a single carry position and stick with it. Part of accessing your weapon quickly under stress is the muscle memory you gain from consistently accessing your weapon from the same position over and over again. This is why police duty holsters have tension screws to keep them in place on the duty belt (and also why the duty holsters with retention features instruct the user to practice! practice! practice! with removing the firearm). The last thing you want is to end up in a deadly force encounter and reach for your pistol only to say, "Oh poop! I forgot I put my holster on the left side and upside down today... or is it in the small of my back? No, wait, crossdraw!"

Or just wait until you forget to check the tightness of the screws and your super-duper roto-holster spins upside down when you bump it against something and your pistol falls out.

The problem I have with a single draw position is that I'm not the type of person to use one position all the time. When I'm at the range, I'd rather my holster be in one position and when I'm not and just in everyday situations, I'd rather it be in another. For this, I'd need something that can at least tilt 90 degrees to the right so I can wear it around my back instead of my right hip. I'm too mobile to have it there permanently.

[Guest Oaklands]

The Blackhawk holster cant in both directions. You won't get 90º but can get it to cant in either direction. They have good retention as well.

[wcsc12]

The Blackhawk holster cant in both directions. You won't get 90º but can get it to cant in either direction. They have good retention as well.

Awww Well, that rules that out.

This sounds pretty close, too, but I'm not sure how a paddle would feel worn at SOB.

SIG 226 9/40/357 Retention Black Holster New Israeli Tactical

Looks like the same thing as the Sig branded holster, just a lot cheaper.

Yeah I saw that it looks identical to the Sig branded one but the $9.99 shipping kills it for me. I'll just wait until they send me another email for $2.99 shipping or something and then order it then though but thanks for the help. I just hope it lasts.

[gregintenn]

I just really want to be well made and last forever...emphasis on the word forever so good quality is definitely a plus.

But seriously, is that really asking a lot out of a holster?

Ummm, Yeah?!?!? To last forever is a lot to ask of anything man made.

[Il Duce]

This is like asking a goose to lay a golden egg.

[Guest nysos]

If it is for CC, you may think that is what you want in a holster - but unless you have tried it you really won't know.

The problem I see with all the variations you want is training with it. You want to stick with roughly the same position/cant and train with that. There is no point of different positions for different days of the week. If you have some friends with some holsters, try them on with its intended gun to give you an idea and feel of what each position is like. Another thing to keep in mind with holster position, is you ideally want it set up to where if you need to - you remove your gun from it with your unintended hand should your strong arm become wounded.

edit: now that I know who you are

Get a crossbreed supertuck or a comptac mtac, you are a skinny guy like me and something leather or leather backed will be the only thing comfortable for you to conceal a 226 with. If you want to try on mine to see how you like it, you can come over and give it a try. Also, IWB would be the way to go, I would only consider a full kydex holster for range stuff.

[peejman]

The problem I have with a single draw position is that I'm not the type of person to use one position all the time. When I'm at the range, I'd rather my holster be in one position and when I'm not and just in everyday situations, I'd rather it be in another. For this, I'd need something that can at least tilt 90 degrees to the right so I can wear it around my back instead of my right hip. I'm too mobile to have it there permanently.

You should practice how you carry. It's the only way to build muscle memory. Muscle memory works under stress, cognitive memory does not.

[East_TN_Patriot]

The problem I have with a single draw position is that I'm not the type of person to use one position all the time. When I'm at the range, I'd rather my holster be in one position and when I'm not and just in everyday situations, I'd rather it be in another. For this, I'd need something that can at least tilt 90 degrees to the right so I can wear it around my back instead of my right hip. I'm too mobile to have it there permanently.

And there in lies my point. Being able to access your firearm rapidly under stress requires you to train as you carry. If you train with the holster in one position, I PROMISE that under stress, that is where your hand is going to go with your handgun in a totally different place. I didn't dream this up. It's a well-documented fact in the firearms training world.

One of the most notable incidents was the killing of four CHP officers some of whom had empty brass in their pockets. The reason became clear when they went to the range at their police academy. Officers were instructed to catch their revolver brass and put it in their pocket to save time by not picking it up off the range. In the stress of the firefight, the officers caught their brass and put it in their pocket. They had also trained with .38 spl rounds and carried .357 mag on the street, which the investigation states contributed to their very poor shot/hit ratio. Since that incident, police firearms training has changed dramatically because one fact remains: You revert to how you train.

Carry that holster in one spot, but train with it in another? That is a recipe for disaster if the SHTF.

[wcsc12]

Ummm, Yeah?!?!? To last forever is a lot to ask of anything man made.

Well that's just a load of crap But I do see what you mean. Still, as close to forever as possible

This is like asking a goose to lay a golden egg.

I do like Golden Eggs....they are delicious I know I ask a lot but it's more just because I know myself. I know that I tend to move my hips a lot and bump into things and the last thing I want to do is bump into my $700 gun while it's on my waist. However, my back tends to be the most stationary part of my body so it makes more sense to carry from that position to me.

If it is for CC, you may think that is what you want in a holster - but unless you have tried it you really won't know.

The problem I see with all the variations you want is training with it. You want to stick with roughly the same position/cant and train with that. There is no point of different positions for different days of the week. If you have some friends with some holsters, try them on with its intended gun to give you an idea and feel of what each position is like. Another thing to keep in mind with holster position, is you ideally want it set up to where if you need to - you remove your gun from it with your unintended hand should your strong arm become wounded.

edit: now that I know who you are

Get a crossbreed supertuck or a comptac mtac, you are a skinny guy like me and something leather or leather backed will be the only thing comfortable for you to conceal a 226 with. If you want to try on mine to see how you like it, you can come over and give it a try. Also, IWB would be the way to go, I would only consider a full kydex holster for range stuff.

Nice handle btw

I'll take you up on that offer...I did buy some ammo last night as well....range visit? But I seriously don't like leather...not sure why but I don't even buy leather belts.

[durtyzulu]

i just got a crossbreed super tuck from another member for my p226 and it's worked better than anything else i've tried for concealment. i also use a galco combat master that doesn't conceal quite as well but does good enough. i'm with the other guy that advised against carrying SOB.

[Guest nysos]

Well that's just a load of crap But I do see what you mean. Still, as close to forever as possible

I do like Golden Eggs....they are delicious I know I ask a lot but it's more just because I know myself. I know that I tend to move my hips a lot and bump into things and the last thing I want to do is bump into my $700 gun while it's on my waist. However, my back tends to be the most stationary part of my body so it makes more sense to carry from that position to me.

Nice handle btw

I'll take you up on that offer...I did buy some ammo last night as well....range visit? But I seriously don't like leather...not sure why but I don't even buy leather belts.

I can absolutely guarantee you with 99% certainty, that with your body type - you will NOT find a kydex owb holster that you can conceal a p226 with unless it is the dead of winter with a very large jacket. Summer wear, it isn't going to happen. Advice is only good advice if you consider whats being said.

1. train where you carry/carry in one spot (you don't need a fancy range holster just for the range unless you start shooting steel matches or something)

2. you can conceal decently owb, but generally not with kydex holsters - they put the gun too far off the body

3. leather is more comfortable, at least consider a hybrid holster (comptac mtac/crossbreed supertuck). the kydex shell allows for durability and quick drawing, the clips are adjustable for different cant, the large leather backing makes it comfortable to wear

4. do not rule out iwb, you have never carried anything before - you don't know what you don't like and what you do, it will take some experimenting before you find out what you like/what works. right now you just have an "idea" of what you think you want - what you think you want, and reality will turn out to be 2 different things I promise.

[BigK]

The Serpa holster with a button for retention cannot be carried in both positions. Even if it could rotate like you wish, it is designed so your index finger releases the pistol. From SOB your index finger would be against your back. If you tried to use your thumb to release it, you couldn't grip & draw as is needed.

Some holsters have a thumb release on the inner side, but it'd be incredibly awkward to hit with your finger when SOB.

For SOB (which I agree is a bad idea) you need MUCH more friction for retention than you can get from a Level 1 Kydex holster. Just saying...

[wcsc12]

I can absolutely guarantee you with 99% certainty, that with your body type - you will NOT find a kydex owb holster that you can conceal a p226 with unless it is the dead of winter with a very large jacket. Summer wear, it isn't going to happen. Advice is only good advice if you consider whats being said.

1. train where you carry/carry in one spot (you don't need a fancy range holster just for the range unless you start shooting steel matches or something)

2. you can conceal decently owb, but generally not with kydex holsters - they put the gun too far off the body

3. leather is more comfortable, at least consider a hybrid holster (comptac mtac/crossbreed supertuck). the kydex shell allows for durability and quick drawing, the clips are adjustable for different cant, the large leather backing makes it comfortable to wear

4. do not rule out iwb, you have never carried anything before - you don't know what you don't like and what you do, it will take some experimenting before you find out what you like/what works. right now you just have an "idea" of what you think you want - what you think you want, and reality will turn out to be 2 different things I promise.

Okay...then I'll wait for you to have some time to show me your stuff so I can give this a try before I make any decisions...I may be up for some range time this week if you've got time.