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Guest GunTroll
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  bnoland said:
She was NOT arrested for filming. She obstructed officers performing their official duty by causing a safety issue because she was drawing the attention of officers by refusing to return to her home instead of allowing them to give their full attention to the task at hand. If she was arrested for filming they would have taken her recording device and this wouldn't be an issue because no one would have been able to post the video because it would have been tagged in to evidence.

:) Riiiggggttth.

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Guest bnoland
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I am done, these cop bashing bs posts are retarded. If he was wrong he was wrong but he was polite in his request and she still refused a lawful order. When you get one where a cop has actually ****ed up, like in Memphis when the officer beat the transexual in the Sally port with cuffs, then i will comment that he was a ****ing moron too. I am done trying to help you cop haters understand what you are bashing on because you don't understand how the law works.

Guest GunTroll
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:) . Bashing. :) . Polite tyranny is ok then. She was polite back to him but yet she got arrested?
Guest bnoland
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  GunTroll said:
:) . Bashing. :) . Polite tyranny is ok then. She was polite back to him but yet she got arrested?

She refused a lawful order... No matter how you say it she still did something illegal.

Guest GunTroll
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lawful order is where we part ways.

Guest Lester Weevils
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I am impressed with Paladin123's style of well-written non-confrontational debate on this topic. Good job.

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If she was in her yard than I feel she did nothing wrong. I admittedly have not watched the video as I am at work. If she was on the sidewalk and thus on public property than she should have listened to the officer. The story as I read it yesterday said she knew the person that was stopped.

Guest clownsdd
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IMHO She should have complied with the officer's wishes, just as the guy in Philly should have, and continued the filming from her window. Then hired a good lawyer and let the courts decide on the judgement and compensation, rather than push the issue.

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  6.8 AR said:

I think someone's ego should be checked at the door, before going to work.

We've gotten ourselves in a mess, especially with the current rulings. The police state is marching forward. Videos like this show rank stupidity is taking out yet another of those formerly highly held institutions.

It's a shame. At least it isn't the norm in Clarksville. We still have an above average group of men and women in blue.

I can't belive it. rollfloor.gif

I'm watching a video that based on what I see I'm pretty sure shes both a loon and drunk.

You are more than willing to make blanket staements about cops in general who you know nothing about, and then say your cops in good ole Clarksville are an "above average" group.

And you think someone needs to check thier ego? :D

 

Guest TackleberryTom
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The problem I have with all of this discussion is that we don't know what happened before the video started. She could have been going crazy before the views started and already pushed the officers patience. Given that circumstance would make the situation different. She also was initially not on her own property, she was technically on the right of way. The fact that they didn't take the camera hints that maybe she was issue, hence whatvmay have taken place before the video started.

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I could see this being more of an issue if she was just standing in her yard recording a random traffic stop. That simply wasn't the case.

She stated in the video that they had her friend stopped. Apparently she also made some anti-Leo statements before she started filming. (According to the officer in the video)

It seems pretty standard to clear the area of any friends or family of someone being arrested. People often stop thinking rationally when they see someone they know being arrested and may try to interfere. I've seen a video of an officer being stuck from behind and knocked unconscious from a family member while making an arrest for example. (I'm not trying to compare that to what happened here of course)

With it being dark and difficult to spot a potential weapon I could also see the issue of officer safety. I can only assume she came out of the house to the yard/sidewalk to record. She could have easily grabbed some sort of weapon while in the house as well.

By this woman's actions and words she was obviously trying to cause trouble. As the saying goes; play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I would love to see what she said before she started filming. I'm guessing it wasn't very flattering and would probably change a lot of peoples minds about her innocence.

Guest Sgt. Joe
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I agree with what Mr Brooks stated.

If all the lady wanted to do was film the incident I dont understand why she just did not step back inside her door and continue filming. I can not know for sure but I would bet that had she done just that, that she would not have been arrested.

Our LEO's jobs are tough enough without folks like this pushing a non-issue which is what it was if all she wanted to do was film.

Guest GunTroll
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Why wasn't anyone else arrested for not going inside? What weren't they told to go inside? I think I counted at least three or four other people. A man was one of them and surely his threat level should have been higher than this woman. Was he or the rest not a threat? Its the camera and the fact that she was filming. She may have made a anti-LEO statement and that got her on the radar but this LEO wasn't concerned with crowd enforcement. He was concerned with asserting his authority on ONE person who challenged his authority. Clear and simple.

FWIW...I would have gone it unless I knew the person or if it was a family member. I don't make it a habit to challenge LE. But I would for this scenario of a family/friend and my property.

I YouTube-d searched for arrest for filming and holy cow there are bunches of videos. Some of them so funny too!

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  GunTroll said:
Why wasn't anyone else arrested for not going inside? What weren't they told to go inside? I think I counted at least three or four other people. A man was one of them and surely his threat level should have been higher than this woman. Was he or the rest not a threat? Its the camera and the fact that she was filming. She may have made a anti-LEO statement and that got her on the radar but this LEO wasn't concerned with crowd enforcement. He was concerned with asserting his authority on ONE person who challenged his authority. Clear and simple.

FWIW...I would have gone it unless I knew the person or if it was a family member. I don't make it a habit to challenge LE. But I would for this scenario of a family/friend and my property.

I YouTube-d searched for arrest for filming and holy cow there are bunches of videos. Some of them so funny too!

the other people didn't make an appearance until she was arrested.

The attention was on her for her comments before she started recording. For all we know, she could have said "**** the police" or some other such fear inducing comment. A comment such as that would be enough to make anyone uneasy.

For instance, would a white guy get scared in a black neighborhood if someone yelled "**** you white boy"? Or would a black guy get scared if in a white neighborhood and someone yelled "**** you black boy"? Of coarse they would because the hate is obvious and they're out numbered. Right?

Same scenario here. The hate for cops was obvious, they were out numbered and all of the sudden a woman appears right behind them.

As been said, she would have been arrested, video recorder or not. If it was about the video recorder then it would have been confiscated.

. or at the very least you would have heard the usual "don't record me".

Wait, am I in the right thread this time? ;)

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Guest GunTroll
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Your in the right thread but still wrong IMO. Unless you are seeing some other video how do you know when the others showed up? You mentioned being outnumbered so you admit that other people were there? Am I confused with your statement or are you?

Not sure why race is now involved. Thats not PC ;) just as it seems talking about LE is now as well.

I understand it was to make a point or a simple example. That I understand.

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  strickj said:
the other people didn't make an appearance until she was arrested.

The attention was on her for her comments before she started recording. For all we know, she could have said "**** the police" or some other such fear inducing comment. A comment such as that would be enough to make anyone uneasy.

For instance, would a white guy get scared in a black neighborhood if someone yelled "**** you white boy"? Or would a black guy get scared if in a white neighborhood and someone yelled "**** you black boy"? Of coarse they would because the hate is obvious and they're out numbered. Right?

Same scenario here. The hate for cops was obvious, they were out numbered and all of the sudden a woman appears right behind them.

As been said, she would have been arrested, video recorder or not. If it was about the video recorder then it would have been confiscated.

. or at the very least you would have heard the usual "don't record me".

Wait, am I in the right thread this time? ;)

I am with Gun Troll on this one. I watched the video and the woman did nothing wrong. The person with her wrote a story right after it happened and posted it to an independent news site for their area and he specifially stated that the first time they spoke to the officer was when he spoke to them. I think the guy arrested her for no reason. They also made a false report regarding the original stop saying that three gang members were pulled over but I only saw one. Then they pulled over a couple blocks away and came up with a way to write the report so as to make it appear to be a valid arrest. I spent a month with a cop back in January and he told me that if the reports are written just right that you can arrest someone for just about anything. You wont get a conviction but you do arrest them.

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Daniel, let me get this straight. You spent a month with a cop that said anyone could be arrested with a false report.... so that means that Good's arrest was based on a false report?

And I really don't care what the woman with her said. Friends lie to keeps their friends out of trouble all the time.

She wouldn't be much of a friend if she didn't slant her story in Good's favor... or forget and leave out the comments made before the video started. ;)

She was arrested for not leaving the scene. She was given multiple chances to leave.

  GunTroll said:
Your in the right thread but still wrong IMO. Unless you are seeing some other video how do you know when the others showed up? You mentioned being outnumbered so you admit that other people were there? Am I confused with your statement or are you?

Not sure why race is now involved. Thats not PC :D just as it seems talking about LE is now as well.

I understand it was to make a point or a simple example. That I understand.

I know when the others showed up because they were not in the video until Good was arrested. They were pretty vocal once there, were they not? Don't ya think that if they were there the entire time that they would have been seen or heard?

The cops were out numbered because the group was within distance of them. They arrived pretty quickly once they saw the cuffs come out so that's pretty obvious. But they were not standing next to Good or or behind the cops, which is why they were not contacted.

I made the race\neighborhood\lonely guy comparison simply for the comparison of fear amongst haters. I could have just as easily made a comparison to a biker taking a crotch rocket to a Harley rally.

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In Good's case she stated that the officers stopped at a local school parking lot and discussed how to write the report for an hour until a SGT arrived and they came to a consensus on how to word it. I am just relaying that I spoke with an officer who stated that you can creativly word any report to make it appear to be a justified arrest if you want to arrest someone.

I do not think that anyone should be arrested for standing on their own private property and doing nothing other than refusing to go inside when told to by a police officer. They have no right to do so IMO. I believe that she said nothing to them and did not speak to them until spoken to. I do not know if someone may have said something to the officers but I do not believe it was Ms. Good.

The other person with her was a man. Ms. Good and the gentleman are both active in a group that was protesting foreclosures in their area. I believe that it would appear a systemic police bias in the area as evidenced by her prior arrest for obstructing governmental administration and her subsequent arrest here for the same aka doing nothing other than being in "contempt of cop". Then that is followed by the group that supported her being ticketed.

I believe that her recording an apparent traffic stop that was conducted for no reason other than to harrass someone shows that she was trying to ensure that these police officers were not doing anything to violate the detained man's rights.

If someone FOIA the arresting officer's audio or video recordings and we learn something different than I will freely admit that I was wrong about the case but that is how I see it as it stands.

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Emily Good case goes viral | Democrat and Chronicle | democratandchronicle.com

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A local environmental and civil rights activist, Good, 28, refused to go inside her home — as requested by Police Officer Mario Masic — as she videotaped the police stop.

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In her court papers, Assistant Public Defender Stare notes that, to be convicted of second-degree obstructing governmental administration, Good would have had to impede police through intimidation, force or a separate illegal act. Even the police arrest report notes that she was 10 to 15 feet away, Stare wrote.

Tell me if you saw anything that would indicate she is guilty of her charge in that video.

DaveTN and possibly others have suggested that the woman sounds drunk or crazy and I found neither to be the case. She sounds like a rational person who was being arrested for no reason.

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Guest GunTroll
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  strickj said:

She was arrested for not leaving the scene. She was given multiple chance

True

I know when the others showed up because they were not in the video until Good was arrested. They were pretty vocal once there, were they not? Don't ya think that if they were there the entire time that they would have been seen or heard?

How about from the horses mouth? Again watch the video and turn the volume up this time. The first thing heard on the video from the officer directed toward Goods direction was " can I help you GUY'S?" Guy's implies more than one to me. He directed this comment to all of THEM. Why try to argue that fact that the attention was given to this woman first, for her filming? Then her mouth got her in trouble I'll concede. The LEO was focused on her for what she was doing (filming) and for where she was...which was on her property. And accourding to your logic, even after Good was cuffed would these other people who rushed in, not be a potential threat to the LEO's on the scene? Why were they not told to go inside while the camera was still running?

The cops were out numbered because the group was within distance of them. They arrived pretty quickly once they saw the cuffs come out so that's pretty obvious. But they were not standing next to Good or or behind the cops, which is why they were not contacted.

What video are you watching? I may be watching something all together different and would like to watch what you are seeing.

I made the race\neighborhood\lonely guy comparison simply for the comparison of fear amongst haters. I could have just as easily made a comparison to a biker taking a crotch rocket to a Harley rally.

I'm tracking with you. Just wanted to make the point that it seems on TGO (to some), that implying that a LEO was out of line will get you labeled "cop basher" and is also not PC just as it is to talk about race in other forums.

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10-15 feet is not that far. See the Tueller rule.

her other arrest was downed to that charge. She was on bank property (the foreclosed home) and stopping the movers from entering the property. She was not attested for "doing nothing"

Guest GunTroll
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I'm also wondering why so much assumption goes into what clearly can not be seen from watching this one video. She is a drunk, insane, anti- LEO, all alone with no others around her, etc.

What if (and I'm sure it goes on) allegations were made that the LEO beat her, spit on her, touched her, all from this viewing this video? Of course none of that can be seen from this video and as far as I know didn't happen because she isn't claiming it did. But "we" are so quick to make assumptions against this woman off of something that can't be seen or heard?

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  GunTroll said:
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How about from the horses mouth? Again watch the video and turn the volume up this time. The first thing heard on the video from the officer directed toward Goods direction was " can I help you GUY'S?" Guy's implies more than one to me. He directed this comment to all of THEM.

Why take the cop's word for that when you won't for the sidewalk comment?

Maybe she left the porch where the group was. Maybe the group were on the other side of a fence.

Maybe the cop uses "guys" as a generic term like I commonly do with "y'all" and "couple". ;)

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Why try to argue that fact that the attention was given to this woman first, for her filming? Then her mouth got her in trouble I'll concede. The LEO was focused on her for what she was doing (filming) and for where she was...which was on her property.

Why try to argue that she was not arrested for standing 10 feet behind the officers? Again, see the Tueller rule. Anyone within 21 feet can pose a threat. Especially when they make, and this is from the horses mouth, "anti police comments when we pull up".

And why keep arguing that she was in her yard? Right from the horses mouth: you're on the sidewalk". Not that where she technically was has any relevancy here. She was 10 feet behind the cops. That posses a threat to them.

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And accourding to your logic, even after Good was cuffed would these other people who rushed in, not be a potential threat to the LEO's on the scene? Why were they not told to go inside while the camera was still running?

Maybe the cops were done and were leaving. I don't know. The camera cut off.

Maybe they were minding their own damned business and not yelling things at them.

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What video are you watching? I may be watching something all together different and would like to watch what you are seeing.

I'm watching the same one you are in the OP. The one where a woman is standing alone 10-15 feet behind some cops in the dark.

Guest GunTroll
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Simple, Cops aren't God. I don't automatically put them on some man made pedestal that puts them above me and mine. They are my/our equal. Granted they have some man bestrode authority granted to them, on loan from us and I don't question that. So they get no special pass from me without me at least thinking about their command(s), my safety and rights as a human and an American before I leap. Seeing the reaction from the cops about all this bad press, I'd say they darn near admitted to being wrong with their actions. Good luck with the jury in that area if it goes that far.

Unfortunately a few bad apples have made it real hard on Cops these days. They can be just as shady as anyone. Google proves that.

Good day to you.

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