1 dead, 1 injured in Ashland City shooting

[Guest WyattEarp]

how does someone get shot twice, and still manage to get the gun away from the bad guy and then turn it on him?

1 killed, 1 injured in Ashland City parking lot shooting - WKRN, Nashville, Tennessee News, Weather and Sports |

Edited June 21, 2011 by WyattEarp
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[Mr. Brooks]

I pulled this off my Channel 4 app.

"One killed, one injured in shopping center shooting

Jun 20, 2011 7:05 p.m.

One man was killed and another was injured after a shooting in the parking lot of the Owen Place Shopping Center, police said.

According to investigators, Shannon Scott Paul and Ryan Dickens got into an argument while driving in separate vehicles on Highway 12 Monday afternoon.

Police said the men drove into the parking lot near the H&R Block and Don Pancho restaurant and continued their spat. Officers said the men got out of their vehicles and Paul, whom police say was a licensed gun permit holder, shot Dickens.

Officers said Dickens then wrestled the gun away and shot Paul. At some point, witnesses said Dickens ran through the restaurant, yelling, "Where is he?"

Paul died from his injuries, police said. Dickens was rushed to Vanderbilt Medical Center for treatment.

Police have recovered the gun, however they said it's still unclear what the men fought over originally.

No charges have been filed at this time, investigators said."

[JimmyMac483]

Is that the shooting that happened in Ashland City today?

[JeffL]

Is that the shooting that happened in Ashland City today?

Yes.

[Erik88]

damn. Hate to see this.

[Steelharp]

And the initial shooter, the one that died, was an HCP holder. Not good.

[Guest friesepferd]

And the initial shooter, the one that died, was an HCP holder. Not good.

ugh. hate to hear that.

[Guest friesepferd]

on another note, NEVER give in to people with rode rage. Just keep on driving. If they actually follow you or try and run you off the rode, call the police on your cell and do your best to just keep moving.

[Guest friesepferd]

can someone please merge these threads?

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/general-off-topic/58931-1-dead-1-injured-ashland-city-shooting.html

[Garufa]

how does someone get shot twice, and still manage to get the gun away from the bad guy and then turn it on him?

Becuase life is not like a movie. Being shot once or twice with a handgun does not necessarily mean one will suddenly stop and fall over dead or be immediately incapacitated.

[DaveTN]

Sounds like the HCP holder pulled over to get in a fight and then shot an unarmed man. Who then took his gun away from him and killed him with his own gun.

Am I reading that right?

[G27]

Sounds like the HCP holder pulled over to get in a fight and then shot an unarmed man. Who then took his gun away from him and killed him with his own gun.

Am I reading that right?

That's how I read it, too.

*shakes head*

[Guest nicemac]

I used the Commercial Appeal's HCP database and verified that Paul was a HCP holder, issued 6/16/2010.

[ttocswob]

Who pulled over to get in a fight? And it's hard to argue disparity of force when the unarmed guy prevailed.

There is not enough information in the linked story to determine which is the good guy, or the bad guy.

[Fallguy]

can someone please merge these threads?

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/general-off-topic/58931-1-dead-1-injured-ashland-city-shooting.html

Done.

..and post edited to comply with http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tn-gun-owners-announcements/58333-notice-do-not-re-post-photos-written-content-you-do-not-own.html

[Guest nicemac]

Plenty of room for finger pointing, blame, and regrets in this story. Appears to be started by road-rage. Guys, let it go, it is only a finger…

[Guest ArmaDeFuego]

It would almost seem like the guy who took the gun away (after being shot twice) & then killed the dude who pulled on him would be justified in doing what he did.

However, I've read on a couple of different news reports that witnesses stated that once he got the gun away from the guy he chased him into the restaurant & was yelling "Where did he go, where did he go?" If thats the case, he might be charged. Its hard to claim "imminent" fear if the other guy already ran off & you go chasing after him.....

[Guest WyattEarp]

Becuase life is not like a movie. Being shot once or twice with a handgun does not necessarily mean one will suddenly stop and fall over dead or be immediately incapacitated.

No i didn't mean it like that, I meant he must be a pretty bad shot if he shoots the guy twice, and the guy still manages to take the gun from him and then kill him lol.

It would almost seem like the guy who took the gun away (after being shot twice) & then killed the dude who pulled on him would be justified in doing what he did.

However, I've read on a couple of different news reports that witnesses stated that once he got the gun away from the guy he chased him into the restaurant & was yelling "Where did he go, where did he go?" If thats the case, he might be charged. Its hard to claim "imminent" fear if the other guy already ran off & you go chasing after him.....

i would think he'd be charged too, because the other guy was retreating and was unarmed at that point. weird. guess it'll be up to the prosecutors to decide, but maybe they'll decided the instigator got what he deserved?

[Guest Th3KhansMosin]

Bad, bad news. I really would like to know the FULL story of what exactly happened if anyone finds it once it is reported though. It will be interesting to see what prompted the HCP holder to draw his weapon? Although if the other man was indeed TOTALLY unarmed there is no excuse for using that weapon.

[DaveTN]

i would think he'd be charged too, because the other guy was retreating and was unarmed at that point. weird. guess it'll be up to the prosecutors to decide, but maybe they'll decided the instigator got what he deserved?

Without knowing all the details I would say that after being shot…..twice, you are no longer a "reasonable person" and I would not charge him.

[Guest friesepferd]

if someone shoots me and i take their gun from them, i have to think that i would still be in fear of my life.

heck, i just took their gun from them and im hurt! they are bout to be able to take it back, and i already know they can/will hurt me.

running around chasing them after they flee.. thats a different story.

[Guest UberDuper]

If you can't take a beating, don't carry. Losing a fight is not justification for deadly force. Take your whoopin and move on.

[Guest nicemac]

If you can't take a beating, don't carry. Losing a fight is not justification for deadly force. Take your whoopin and move on.

I'm sorry, isn't the very nature of someone BEATING me reason to use deadly force? I have no idea if his intention is to beat me until I die… At 48 years old, I have never been in a fight–and I intend to never get into one. However, if someone starts beating on me, he had better be prepared to face deadly force.

[Guest ArmaDeFuego]

I'm sorry, isn't the very nature of someone BEATING me reason to use deadly force? I have no idea if his intention is to beat me until I die… At 48 years old, I have never been in a fight–and I intend to never get into one. However, if someone starts beating on me, he had better be prepared to face deadly force.

Thats kind of iffy. Basically just comes down to if you could convince a jury that a reasonable person in your situation would have been in imminent fear of serious bodily injury or death. Maybe if the guy was a lot bigger than you or a lot younger..... Generally tho if its just a fist fight you would probably have a hard time proving that shooting the guy was justified. Would probably depend on the circumstances.

For example, in this case in Ashland City I bet that if the guy who died would have lived he would have been charged. He escalated a road rage situation by getting out of his vehicle & arguing, & then pulled his gun on an unarmed man.

[cajunpredfan]

Thats kind of iffy. Basically just comes down to if you could convince a jury that a reasonable person in your situation would have been in imminent fear of serious bodily injury or death

That's where I am concerned. Do I have to be beaten into unconsciousness or so badly that I can't even pull a weapon without it easily being taken away from me before I can claim "fear of serious bodily injury or death" ?