School subjects students to TSA pat downs at their prom.

[East_TN_Patriot]

I am literally in disbelief over this one. A school district has asked TSA agents to conduct pat downs of students going to their prom. The creep of the government into our lives continues.

TSA Patdowns At Santa Fe Prom - Video - KOAT Albuquerque

[leroy]

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heinrich. Evidently New Mexico Congressional District 1 (....link here: Preview Map ...) which includes Santa Fe is now certified "moonbat" territory. It looks like that district 1 is slowly turning demorat. Patdowns at the prom (...ithey could be invasive?....) shouldnt be a surprise for these folks. Mabee the adults will take the assylum back over soon.

Keep up the good work.

leroy

[East_TN_Patriot]

Check this out: Martin Heinrich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Evidently New Mexico Congressional District 1 (....link here: Preview Map ...) which includes Santa Fe is now certified "moonbat" territory. It looks like that district 1 is slowly turning demorat. Patdowns at the prom (...ithey could be invasive?....) shouldnt be a surprise for these folks. Mabee the adults will take the assylum back over soon.

Keep up the good work.

leroy

They are most definitely invasive, especially since they are having government agents do the searches. The Supreme Court has generally said that searches of student property on school campuses is not considered "unreasonable" under the 4th Amendment due to compelling safety concerns (a claim that I find rather dubious in most cases), but this has not been extended to law enforcement officials on a school campus (unless I have missed some case law somewhere). We now have a public county school district using federal officials to search students. This is about as shocking as I have seen in a while.

[Jonnin]

Proms are, historically, a place that will have illegal activity --- usually drugs and booze, rather than guns, but a search of the students *is* reasonable based upon past behavior of this age group at this type of gathering. Its also a waste of time as the bulk of the activitys that go along with a prom are held offsite where no one can search them... but the search itself is not without merit due to the history of lawbreaking associated with these events.

I see no difference in having an unqualified teacher do a pat-down or a pro do it. Again, I think it is a waste of time and money to do so. Also, this age group is not able to own firearms or carry them legally, so I cannot see the pat down as a form of anti-gun liberalism; instead it is enforcement of the laws that we have. Point is, if some kid goes there with a gun, I want them to get caught.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I'm sure all of what's been said is true, but it is

something the parents and teachers should be

dealing with, not the TSA. Guess I'm old fashioned.

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[leroy]

Et and other opiners: ______________

Reckon there could be a "confilct of interest" and/or "interference with or prohibition of work" by government workers here?

...They are most definitely invasive, especially since they are having government agents do the searches. ....

leroy

[Jonnin]

Et and other opiners: ______________

Reckon there could be a "confilct of interest" and/or "interference with or prohibition of work" by government workers here?

leroy

There could be. The TSA can of worms opens up a lot of stuff. I don't think the search is unreasonable, as I said, but by having them do the search a variety of legal issues could be found. If invited in by the school, I dont see a interference charge, but conflict of interest is possible. They may have been smarter to get a couple of local LEOs to do it instead.

[mikegideon]

i saw this thing yesterday. We get a little closer to being a police state every day, and folks just accept it as necessary to "keep us safe". Who's gonna keep us safe from the government?

[Guest friesepferd]

yep. if the school wants to do pat downs, then fine, but dont get tsa involved

[Lumber_Jack]

when did proms become a concern of TRANSPORTION SAFETY? As long as the prom wasnt on an RV, then they are outside there jurisdiction at best.

[JayC]

Historically some people break the law and rob banks... so we should just place TSA agents to pat you down and questions you anytime you want to visit a bank... What 4th Amendment?

Schools and proms are pretty safe places to be... If you can justify violating the 4th amendment because some "crime" happens at a prom, then they can violate the 4th amendment anywhere.

Proms are, historically, a place that will have illegal activity --- usually drugs and booze, rather than guns, but a search of the students *is* reasonable based upon past behavior of this age group at this type of gathering. Its also a waste of time as the bulk of the activitys that go along with a prom are held offsite where no one can search them... but the search itself is not without merit due to the history of lawbreaking associated with these events.

I see no difference in having an unqualified teacher do a pat-down or a pro do it. Again, I think it is a waste of time and money to do so. Also, this age group is not able to own firearms or carry them legally, so I cannot see the pat down as a form of anti-gun liberalism; instead it is enforcement of the laws that we have. Point is, if some kid goes there with a gun, I want them to get caught.

[East_TN_Patriot]

Historically some people break the law and rob banks... so we should just place TSA agents to pat you down and questions you anytime you want to visit a bank... What 4th Amendment?

Schools and proms are pretty safe places to be... If you can justify violating the 4th amendment because some "crime" happens at a prom, then they can violate the 4th amendment anywhere.

^^^ THIS! ^^^ I have a kid and I don't want him, or any of his classmates to be patted down by anyone absent a very clear and credible threat that requires such activity. It is slowly getting to the point where we will be subjected to random searches of our persons, property, papers, and effects all in the name of "safety." All of this is happening since the 1990s while violent crime has been declining for over 30 years. There is no correlation between the two. It has gotten worse since 9/11 and the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are lower than being struck by lightening, always have been even before the TSA, Patriot Act, and other post-9/11 monstrosities. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Edited May 24, 2011 by East_TN_Patriot

[JayC]

No, clear and credible threat... a warrant, or an arrest no exceptions. But otherwise I agree with you.

^^^ THIS! ^^^ I have a kid and I don't want him, or any of his classmates to be patted down by anyone absent a very clear and credible threat that requires such activity. It is slowly getting to the point where we will be subjected to random searches of our persons, property, papers, and effects all in the name of "safety." All of this is happening since the 1990s while violent crime has been declining for over 30 years. There is no correlation between the two. It has gotten worse since 9/11 and the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are lower than being struck by lightening, always have been even before the TSA, Patriot Act, and other post-9/11 monstrosities. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Dolomite_supafly]

I still don't understand why a federal agency, TSA, is searching children at a local level school function. I can understand supervising but physically searching children is a bit over the top especially with the TSA's track record. The TSA is overzealous in thier searching yet fail to find items they should. All this is doing is numbing our children to the actions of those who are overstepping their authority under the guise of safety.

If it was my child being searched I would sue the school district, TSA and any other person even remotely affiliated with this action until they were in bankruptcy. I would call and write every media outlet that will listen to the story of my poor child being victimized. When light is shed on those who are doing wrong, and don't get me wrong what they are doing is without a doubt wrong, they tend to either stop or run away from the light.

After reading this I realized something:

We are now but a generation away from loosing all freedoms our forefathers and troops have fought and died for.

Our grandchildren will not know what it was like to be free. We, as a country, we need to wake up. If not for ourseoves then for our children and grandchildren.

Dolomite

[JayC]

We're a generation or two past that point already. We're not free today, nothing like the pre-WWI generations were, not even like the pre-depression generations were. The government already views us as serf's who need to be cared for and told what they can or can't do.

We're a generation away from being the next China or Soviet Union.... but we lost freedom, and god given rights 2 generations back, if not 3.

After reading this I realized something:

We are now but a generation away from loosing all freedoms our forefathers and troops have fought and died for.

Our grandchildren will not know what it was like to be free. We, as a country, we need to wake up. If not for ourseoves then for our children and grandchildren.

Dolomite

[Guest kickstand]

Conducting the searches/pat downs was not illegal, but it is another example of poor gov't administration, mis-allocation of resources, and inconveniencing children for the sake of "feel good" type security measures. This fuels my hatred for the TSA. They suck even when they stay in their own lane, so why the hell were they at a school? The worst part is that we paid for it.