Defeating A Vest

[molonlabetn]

Too bad nobody makes a modern 7.62x25mm pistol which is available in this country...

[Guest TN.Frank]

Yep, it'd be a cool pistol to have in something that held 15+1 rnds. and had a nice DA trigger but alass, we've only got the older SA semis to play with. Still, the price of a CZ-52 isn't much at all if you've got a C&R lic and ammo still isn't too pricy yet.

[Guest kwikrnu]

FiveseveN with ss190 ammo or you can reload or buy reloads which will penetrate IIIa.

[Guest H0TSH0T]

NUTS, nuts, Nutz, or just in the PP, or just use a 1oz shotgun slug, it makes a pretty corpse even if hit in the trauma plate. the force will make your insides mush. or my fav Flechette's

[Fallguy]

Wow...what a resurrection lol......also with the bonus of on a thread started by a now banned member and the last entry (before the resurrection) by a now banned member.

[TripleDigitRide]

Wow...what a resurrection lol......also with the bonus of on a thread started by a now banned member and the last entry (before the resurrection) by a now banned member.

+1

Beat me too it!

[Punisher84]

Lord just delete it.

[nightrunner]

wow x2

and the post that brought it back is actually irrevelant as nobady can or will be carrying a 12ga. shotgun around just incase they come upon a level IIIa armor clad assailant

[Guest H0TSH0T]

wow x2

and the post that brought it back is actually irrevelant as nobady can or will be carrying a 12ga. shotgun around just incase they come upon a level IIIa armor clad assailant

umm i beg to differ there are some 12guage pistols out there, take a look.New Page 1

[nightrunner]

first off anything with a 8-12" barrel wont be comfortable to carry all day everyday.

but the main thing, its a NFA-regualted weapon and because its still a shotgun and not a handgun, its not legal to carry in TN, as we have a HANDGUN carry permit not a WEAPON permit/license. so even if you wanted to you couldnt legally carry it on your person.

[Jasongar8]

umm i beg to differ there are some 12guage pistols out there, take a look.New Page 1

That was last updated in 2003. Plus they are NFA. A NFA weapon would be my last choice as a carry gun. I dont run into bad guys with vest on that often anyway.

-Jason G

[Jasongar8]

first off anything with a 8-12" barrel wont be comfortable to carry all day everyday.

but the main thing, its a NFA-regualted weapon and because its still a shotgun and not a handgun, its not legal to carry in TN, as we have a HANDGUN carry permit not a WEAPON permit/license. so even if you wanted to you couldnt legally carry it on your person.

Beat me to it. Damn you type fast, lol.

-Jason G

[Guest H0TSH0T]

state definitions,

Pistol: Synonym for a handgun that does not have a revolving cylinder, the chamber is part of the barrel.

Shotgun: A shoulder fired (long gun) with a smoothbore designed to fire shotshells containing numerous pellets or sometimes a single projectile.

i know if i ad a stock to my glock it turns into a SBR not a handgun, now to split hairs if the definition by the state in context, it could be said that once it is no longer a shoulder fired weapon, it is considered a handgun, just like the GSG-5 is a rifle, and the GSG-5P is a pistol, the differences is the pistol has a shorter barrel, and no stock, now the rifle version, has a longer barrel and a stock, other than that it is the same gun, now if i put a stock on the GSG-5p it would also turn it into a SBR which would require a tax stamp and paperwork same for the glock with a stock.

that being said would qualify it as a handgun, witch you could carry legally, now to to play devils advocate on what i just said, I don't know by definition if a legally made shotgun pistol is considered a DD (destructive device) thus moving it into a different category all together. there is a lot of gray area, where no info or laws are posted, and if they are i cant find them.

one more factor, does the fact of a smooth bore play into a different classification, are smooth bore pistols legal or not, does it matter if antique or not?

i do agree it would be a pain to carry it.

but i would not carry it under my permit,but under a hunting license that may be a different story, until i have a copy of the legislation that says i can for my own education and the LEO that is not up on the law but i would play it safe until then.

source

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/geninfo/Publications/Forms/Interpreters/Firearmshandout.pdf

Edited August 17, 2009 by H0TSH0T
smooth bore point.

[Fallguy]

Remember state law now allows that with a HCP to carry a loaded (no round in chamber) rifle or shotgun in their vehicle.

[nightrunner]

fallguy, thats why i said on your person

if the firearm fires multiple projectiles with one shot(shotshell) its a shotgun.

ATF has already said that a 12ga. pistol is a DD, because after the success of the taurus judge, taurus was going to make a 12ga. pistol of some sort and call it "The God" but the decided against it because it would be a NFA-regulated DD(destructive device) unless it has a 18" barrel or longer like all the remington 870 and mossberg 500 pistol grip shotguns out there.

ATF also said that any smoothbore barrel make the firearm a shotgun. that is why the judge had to have a rifled barrel or it would fall under NFA regulation

[Guest H0TSH0T]

fallguy, thats why i said on your person

if the firearm fires multiple projectiles with one shot(shotshell) its a shotgun.

ATF has already said that a 12ga. pistol is a DD, because after the success of the taurus judge, taurus was going to make a 12ga. pistol of some sort and call it "The God" but the decided against it because it would be a NFA-regulated DD(destructive device) unless it has a 18" barrel or longer like all the remington 870 and mossberg 500 pistol grip shotguns out there.

ATF also said that any smoothbore barrel make the firearm a shotgun. that is why the judge had to have a rifled barrel or it would fall under NFA regulation

thanks for clearing that up, i know sometimes its all a bit confusing.

[PackinMama]

Remember state law now allows that with a HCP to carry a loaded (no round in chamber) rifle or shotgun in their vehicle.

Really?! That's awesome! I've been carrying an unloaded shotgun in my vehicle with ammo in a seperate place.....so now it's ok if I load the mag tube and just not have one in the chamber? If that's ok, then I guess I can have the sidesaddle loaded up too?

[Fallguy]

Really?! That's awesome! I've been carrying an unloaded shotgun in my vehicle with ammo in a seperate place.....so now it's ok if I load the mag tube and just not have one in the chamber? If that's ok, then I guess I can have the sidesaddle loaded up too?

Not exactly breaking news...

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/long-guns/22640-hb-0390-signed-governor.html

You can have all the ammo you want in it, around it and on it, just not in the chamber unless you chamber around for self-defense

[PackinMama]

Not exactly breaking news...

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/long-guns/22640-hb-0390-signed-governor.html

You can have all the ammo you want in it, around it and on it, just not in the chamber unless you chamber around for self-defense

Hey, I'm lucky to be able to keep tabs on the area I moderate, along with a couple other of my favorite sections here.....I have a 4 year old you know!

[Guest jimothy]

Hey, I'm lucky to be able to keep tabs on the area I moderate, along with a couple other of my favorite sections here.....I have a 4 year old you know!

5 years now huh¿

[vontar]

5 years now huh¿

At first I was going to do one of my corny, Oldest thread of the day jokes, then I thought about congrats on using search, then I read the last 2 post.

Stalk much?

[PackinMama]

If he's planning on stalking someone, I would highly recommend that he look elsewhere.

[Kegger]

This thread is like a wounded badger, it just won't die...

[Armed Aviator]

Again... fresh baked DOUBLE chocolate chip cookies.

It'll stop anyone right in their tracks.

With walnuts!

[nightrunner]

why is it that Rabbi cant just die?!