Electronic Cigarettes less dangerous compared to a child holding a pistol or shotgun

[vontar]

Electronic Cigarettes less dangerous compared to a child holding a pistol or shotgun

I think we should be outraged that he is going for a twofer, anti smoking and anti guns in one. He didn't need to drag guns into this.

Electronic Cigarettes Being Sold To Minors, Councilman Calls For Crackdown - WPIX

Yup, you can image someone from New York is upset that there is no age restrictions on E-cigs since they don't contain as many of the same things as regular cigarettes. In fact he is wanting to get them banned where ever smoking is banned.

I will say as a none smoker I have been around several people that use these and I can not smell them at all. Some people even use them to quit.

A co worker just provided me a couple links to some places where he has found the best deals on them that I gave to my aunt that is trying to quit smoking,

I have to get back to work.

[Ebow1]

I could've sworn the entire point of those things was to be able to smoke where you formerly couldn't.

[vontar]

I could've sworn the entire point of those things was to be able to smoke where you formerly couldn't.

That is what I thought too.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Yeh boy, that's a hot issue in NY. they have to get back at all the "lost revenue" from

ciggie sales. It has nothing to do with the "children". Poor children.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

Am of two minds about it.

On one hand, adults should be able to buy and use ecigs should they choose to do so.

On the other hand, I've tried ecigs and they didn't work well for me. Quality control seemed poor on the brand I tried.

Even if I had found them effective, I would have eventually decided not to use them because they are not inspected or regulated by an authority I trust. It wouldn't necessarily have to be regulated by the FDA. It could be some private agency. I'd probably trust UL findings better than FDA findings. Or some other independent lab doing routine quality sampling on the products.

These things generally come from China and are not regulated for quality or contents as far as I know. Does it sound like a wise practice to routinely inhale an unregulated product distributed from fly-by-night companies, imported from China????

the long-term health effects are not known. Do we know the long-term health effect from years or even months of routinely inhaling vaporized Glycerin, Propylene Glycol, or artificial flavorings? Even if the contents are uncontaminated and as-listed on the labels, we do not know the long-term effects. And unregulated products from China do not seem likely to ALWAYS be uncontaminated.

However if an adult chooses to pay for the priviledge of being a guinea pig, it shouldn't be the gov's biz.

OTOH, a state gov does have the right to restrict where the items are used, if such democratically elected gov is a nanny state.

[DaveTN]

Does it sound like a wise practice to routinely inhale an unregulated product distributed from fly-by-night companies, imported from China????

You mean as opposed to a product that will without a doubt kill you?

[Mike.357]

you know, smoking is bad m'kay. Anyone with half a brain can figure that out. Doubtful that the E cigs are much better.

The .gov wants everyone to quit and for the most part does it's best to make it hard to smoke in public. I wonder if everyone up and quit tomorrow how would they replace the tax dollars?

[DaveTN]

I wonder if everyone up and quit tomorrow how would they replace the tax dollars?

They are already doing it at the gas pumps. The increase in gas tax will make the cigarette tax look like gum money. Gas was over $4 a gallon after Katrina and we paid it. The government sees that as them leaving money on the table.

[Guest Lester Weevils]

You mean as opposed to a product that will without a doubt kill you?

Hi Dave

The doctor says it will kill you but he don't say when. In most cases tobacco seems to take 20 to 60 years. Tobacco however is a well-regulated, well-researched product with much better quality control compared to ecigs at this time. The tobacco companies are in such deep doo with legal liability, it seems doubtful that they would risk deeper doo with shoddy quality control.

Perhaps chinese ecigs would take longer than that, assuming some Chinese worker doesn't negligently put insecticide rather than nicotine in a batch you happen to buy. But as far as I know, long term toxicity from inhaling the published ingredients is not known. Maybe safer than tobacco, maybe not. Research is the only way to find out.

Many things in common use are more dangerous than tobacco. From my experience taking Chantix for a couple of weeks, would bet good money that if a person were to take Chantix daily, the Chantix would kill him much sooner than tobacco. Perhaps Chantix would take as little as a year to do you in.

Even peanut butter is deadly to some folks.

We can't regulate risk to extreme. Let people pay their money and take their chances. Just sayin that the long-term odds on ecigs is not currently known.

Edited April 23, 2011 by Lester Weevils

[vontar]

Lester Weevils has made some good points about the unknowns of the ecigs and quality controls.

I was looking at the certain facts of the known tobacco kills over time and just kinda like many people assumed ecigs would be allot safer but I didn't expect them to be perfect either. I agree, if not the FDA need at least some independent lab like UL to test them