Man guilty of causing panic with unloaded guns in Orem mall

[Guest GLOCKGUY]

Who's this remind you of?

Orem - Philip W. Taylor may have a right to bear arms, but he didn’t have a right to cause panic around University Mall, a judge ruled Monday

Man guilty of causing panic with unloaded guns in Orem mall | The Salt Lake Tribune

Here's another link with a video.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/Orem-man-defends-right-to-openly-carry-guns/iMYuQJL1CUKIzVcVMvBujQ.cspx

[Dolomite_supafly]

This is a worrisome precedent.

It might be the next tactic the anti's use against us. Using this guys case as a precedent to have people arrested for disorderly conduct or inciting a riot. Also, another disturbing part of the story is that the court allowed a witness to testify without the accused able to face them. Seems that this court has trampled a few constitution ammendments.

Now I agree he isn't the smartest tool in the shed but he did not break any laws. Two people driving down the road observing him is hardly disorderly conduct.

Dolomite

[daddyo]

I understand the point of this, but the thought that a judge could order a mental health evaluation on someone AND have their weapon confiscated because they were open-carrying is rather unnerving to me.

[Guest m&pc9]

Im sorry but if you are carrying a carbine through a mall you need to be arrested and have a mental evaluation.

[Guest friesepferd]

I guess Utah's laws are diffent than I expected. I'm good with the open carry, I'm good with the carbine if thats how their laws are worded, but the 'in hand'/'low ready' is what gets me. In most states you cannot go carrying your gun around in your hand, correct? A lot of states I know would call that brandishing.

[Mike.357]

While Taylor was willing to get an evaluation — he said he has had more than one in the past — he didn’t like the idea of giving up his guns.

multiiple mental evaluations might be an indicator that the guy's elevator does not reach the top floor.

[daddyo]

Im sorry but if you are carrying a carbine through a mall you need to be arrested and have a mental evaluation.

Let's remove the carbine from the equation. What's to stop this judge (or any judge for that matter) from issuing the same ruling just for carrying your Glock openly (even though it's legal)?

[1gewehr]

I am appalled at how quickly people on this board are to jump all over this guy on the basis of a news article that was short on facts, but high in emotional content. As for carrying a rifle through a mall, most Bass Pro shops have gunsmithing and scope mounting services and are attached to a mall. I have seen people walking through malls with rifles to get to Bass Pro shops. Who is to say there isn't a sporting goods or gun store at that mall? There is nothing in the news story to suggest that he may have had a reason to be carrying a rifle. But when is the last time you saw a news story dealing with firearms that was accurate?

I agree with the court ruling. From the little information available, it does appear that he was guilty of 'disorderly conduct'. That was not as a result of openly carrying firearms, but from the MANNER in which he was carrying them, which appeared threatening. A fellow walking around with an unloaded rifle slung over his shoulder is no cause for alarm. A guy carrying what appears to be a loaded AR15 in a 'shooter ready' position would have me looking for the nearest cover. It is not the fact of his carrying a firearm that is threatening, but the manner in which he was carrying it.

[Guest GLOCKGUY]

Look what happen here.

Mass. mall 'gunman' was just carrying umbrella

[Guest m&pc9]

Let's remove the carbine from the equation. What's to stop this judge (or any judge for that matter) from issuing the same ruling just for carrying your Glock openly (even though it's legal)?

Open carrying the Glock is not the problem.

[Guest m&pc9]

. As for carrying a rifle through a mall, most Bass Pro shops have gunsmithing and scope mounting services and are attached to a mall. I have seen people walking through malls with rifles to get to Bass Pro shops. Who is to say there isn't a sporting goods or gun store at that mall? There is nothing in the news story to suggest that he may have had a reason to be carrying a rifle. .

You are correct on this. If he were carrying it to a sporting goods store for a reason.

But it is pretty clear he was testing the system.

[Lumber_Jack]

His intent was clear to me. There was only one sporting goods store in that mall and it doesn't deal in guns. If he was searching for a gunsmith he should have put it in a case. That may not be law but comon sense can save your ass a lot of trouble if you use some.

[Guest clownsdd]

ya can't fix stupid

[DaveTN]

I am appalled at how quickly people on this board are to jump all over this guy on the basis of a news article that was short on facts, but high in emotional content.

Did you read the story?

There is nothing in the news story to suggest that he may have had a reason to be carrying a rifle. But when is the last time you saw a news story dealing with firearms that was accurate?

My opinion is based on his court testimony.

Taylor, who represented himself in court, testified that he was carrying the guns to educate a friend who worked at a coffee shop in the mall and mall security about Utah’s open-carry laws and the superiority of a carbine to a handgun.

He is a nutcase and it was a good thing he was ordered to get help.

Rarely do we see the charge of disorderly conduct properly applied. This is it though.

[JayC]

I guess Utah's laws are diffent than I expected. I'm good with the open carry, I'm good with the carbine if thats how their laws are worded, but the 'in hand'/'low ready' is what gets me. In most states you cannot go carrying your gun around in your hand, correct? A lot of states I know would call that brandishing.

Maybe in most states, but you can legally in TN (pistol that is)

[DaveTN]

Maybe in most states, but you can legally in TN (pistol that is)

No you can’t; it’s a crime for a citizen to carry a loaded gun in Tennessee.

Even with an HCP, if you walk around with your gun in your hand you will without a doubt get stopped. The charge of disorderly conduct would fit that as well.

[bigwakes]

This guy was obviously seeing how far he could go. Now he knows. I would like to know what prompted his numerous mental evaluations in the past. It would seem that the judge had more information about this guy than the news story let on. Is it his right to carry a gun? YES! Is it his right to be stupid? YES! are there consequences for stupid? YES!

[eapking]

In most states you cannot go carrying your gun around in your hand, correct? A lot of states I know would call that brandishing.

This.

People like this and Kwik need to cut out this crap. This just hurts our cause.

[Dolomite_supafly]

This.

People like this and Kwik need to cut out this crap. This just hurts our cause.

Seems to me Kwik has began to be liked by some because of how things are progressing. He may actually be bringing a postitive change for us gun owners because of his antics. Now granted he may have been skirting the edge with what he did but anyone who choses to make a change generally does. After all if we were all sheeple then things would not be what they are today, we would all be sipping our tea and glued to the television watching the wedding of what may be our king some day.

I for one am glad Kwik did this because in most cases change is a good thing. If nothing else it may inspire others to question the establishment and when enough start to question it that is when real change happens.

I have said this plenty of times, people rarely want to take a stand either individually or as a group unless it benefits them personally. People will look the other way so long as it doesn't affect them as well.

Dolomite

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Yep, when fear is injected into society, stupid things get taken out of context. The judge is wrong.

An awful lot of you are willing to compare everything to kwik. I don't see anything obvious. A witness

uses "Jane Doe"? I wonder how much of this is trumped up. The Orem cop thinks it is another Gabby Giffords

about to happen and comes in with his own AR-15. I wonder if the perp postured threatening, or was that

just imagined by Jane Doe. This is a load of crap.

So, I went to a restaurant today with my shirt tucked in and my Glock 30 well exposed. Nobody, including cops

thought I was threatening, and the place was packed. I guess it must have been the location.

The food was great. LePanto's in Paris. You should try it sometimes.

Y'all might try to forget about kwik. He must have infected some brains. With or without a gun on your hip,

your demeanor will deliver the message to the folks you might be around.

[DaveTN]

Seems to me Kwik has began to be liked by some because of how things are progressing. He may actually be bringing a postitive change for us gun owners because of his antics.

I for one am glad Kwik did this because in most cases change is a good thing. If nothing else it may inspire others to question the establishment and when enough start to question it that is when real change happens.

Oh please….

Fill us in. Who is he now “liked†by? What things are progressing because of him?

If calling people “Sheeple†who don’t do dumb azz stunts to try to get a lawsuit against some government agency makes you feel better; put me at the top of the list.

This guy’s HCP was revoked and he is looked at by most pro-gun folks as the village idiot. Please don’t take away from the people that have worked for some of the gun legislation we have now by implying that any of this has to do with this clowns antics.

[RobertNashville]

There are ways to approach the system and bring positive change without bashing your head against a brick wall...this fellow seems to have chosen bashing head method and in the end, helped neither himself or the firearms community.

In the end, just because something may be "legal" to do doesn't mean it should be done and discretion is usually a good thing.

[Guest m&pc9]

In the end, just because something may be "legal" to do doesn't mean it should be done and discretion is usually a good thing.

I here that. Its legal to walk up to Mike Tyson and call him an N-word but, I dont think its a good idea.