Free Political Speech on trial again in the Netherlands.

[leroy]

All:_______________

We've had a lot of discussion here about the First Amendment and what constitutes "free political speech" and who is attempting to infringe on it from time to time. Take the time to read this article i lifted from Drudge this morning:

link here: News from The Associated Press

I like Geert Wilders because he is telling the truth. He is leader of the third largest party in the Dutch Parlament (...or whatever they call it...). Some of the Dutch "euroweenies" evidently cant stand to hear all he has to say; so they are trying again to shut him up; even after the Dutch procecuters advised them against going forward with this trial.

There are folks in this country who would like to do exactly what the Dutch "euroweenies" are attempting to do here. Remember this one thing, when the populace is unarmed, the "ruling class" can, indeed, stife "free political speech". That means that in our system; the "Second Amendment" secures the first.

Food for thought

leroy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

Geert Wilders is a man in a sea of cowards. He

dares to stand up and face evil head on. He has

a lot of enemies in Europe but he still keeps gaining

ground.

Wish him success! He's a good guy.

Thanks Leroy

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[leroy]

....Geert Wilders is a man in a sea of cowards. He

dares to stand up and face evil head on. He has

a lot of enemies in Europe but he still keeps gaining

ground.

Wish him success! He's a good guy.

Thanks Leroy

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I think you are exactly right. I also believe he will come out on top of this no matter what the court decides. I, like you, believe that what Wilders is saying is resonating in places thorought Europe. Look at Marie Le Pen's influence in France (...link to story here: BBC News - Marine Le Pen poll rating shock for French politics ...) and the birth of a "Far Right" party in Germany.

It's a shame that a bunch of euroweenies are raising up heroes and people of truth while we here in the good ole USA are still afraid to acknowledge the truth of what is going on with radical islam and the evils of multiculturism. Let's hope a some of their courage spreads over to the New World.

1:08 PM update right here in "river city": A US city council stifling free political speech (...in michigan)

Check this post out here: http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/04/tea-party-banne.html .

Heres hopin.

leroy

Edited April 13, 2011 by leroy

[JayC]

Everytime this guys name is brought up the hair on the back of my neck stands up... I don't know what it is about this guy, but something just seems off about him to me.

Still no reason to deny him free speech.

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I guess he looks like an evil character out of a James Bond movie. I see what you mean, JayC,

and it's not chic to stand against the Euroweenies, which is something they need. I like the

guy because of that.

It's unbelievable that a city would do something like that, Leroy. I hope that gets blown away.

what are people thinking? I guess it's only okay for the Soros types to say what's on their minds.

The Hell it is!

[Guest 6.8 AR]

What was it Machiaivelli said about conquering lands? Something about those that have had a taste for freedom will be the most difficult to conquer. They will all have to be killed in order to succeed. Maybe people like Wilders are starting to stand up because they see America(at least historically) as desireable compared to their old style "rulers".

"Revolution is a good thing, now and then, don't you think?" Captain Marco Ramius, Red October by Tom Clancy as best I remember:D

It's amazing that some Europeans are turning to the right for what ails them, and we made a hard left turn.

[leroy]

6.8 and Jay:________________

Wilders does look like a nut (...and acts like one from time to time...). I think that is part of his charm. The real trick with Wilders is to listen to what he has to say.

Evidently his "real job" is as a movie producer in the Netherlands, and that probably detracts from his "gravitas". Take the time to listen to some youtube clips of his speeches; he is very intellegent and his observations on world events and the dangers inherrent in them are "spot on". Take the time to read the text of his speech to the Hudson Institute here in the good ole USA. Link here:Geert Wilders speech to America, and video interview with Atlas « Creeping Sharia .

On the down side, here is his problem:

Its hard to look erudite when you rest your pen near your nostril!! But rest assured, there is a pretty smart guy hiding under that goofy look and mop of blond hair.

Remember this: ...Jesus said: "....Wisdom is proven right by her children...". Wilders is right about a lot of things. That's why his opposition is trying to shut him up. Take the time to check this one out too: YouTube - Geert Wilders brilliant speech

leroy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I've seen that interview with Pamela Gellar. I agree

with you. My comment was directed at someone's

perception and how others might perceive without

investigating further.

There are several in Europe that are looking toward

changing into capitalist societies. It may be akin to

moving mountains and dealing with the Muslim

problem is going to be just as difficult. But it is good

things are happening. Maybe it will somehow help

us flush our progressives down the toilet.

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[leroy]

....My comment was directed at someone's

perception and how others might perceive without

investigating further. ...

I understand, didn't even think of it that way.

RE:

....There are several in Europe that are looking toward

changing into capitalist societies. It may be akin to

moving mountains and dealing with the Muslim

problem is going to be just as difficult. But it is good

things are happening. Maybe it will somehow help

us flush our progressives down the toilet. ...

I agree with the big change in europe. There are those who think that there is a great nationalist revival (...which i think is a good thing...) goin on in the Netherlands, France, and Germany. Angela Merkel said several months ago that the "multicultural experiment" had failed in europe, especially Germany.

On a personal basis, i believe that the militant muslum community had better tread lightly in Germany, the Netherlands, and France. The nationalist movement may sweep them away if they do not assimilate into the national culture. If they have any ideas about "national jhiad"; i believe they better keep it to themselves and be real careful. The Frenchmen, Germans, and the Dutch are pretty well fed up with the muslum culture being pushed down the average citizen's throat and disrupting the country. I believe that the "real citizens" will overrun the "multiculturalists" in the next elections.

I also believe this thing with Geert (...the trial...) will serve to finish the entrenched multiculturalist euroweenies in the Netherlands, and enhance Wilder's stature in the Dutch Legislature. I believe there will be big trouble if Dutch "free political speech" spoken by a leading polititian is deemed to be "hate speech". That is exactly the pitch that these jackasses are making. I believe the average Dutch citizen wont go for that; and they souldn't.

leroy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I don't know how big it is, but there is one. Angela Merkel was a bright spot in the cesspool,

but I think she was defeated in the last election. Too bad for that.

It's difficult to say what will happen to Europe, but it's safe to say the muslim movement is

becoming a worldwide problem and Europe will possibly fail to it unless the region wakes up in

time.

As the economies continue to fail(Greece, Portugal, Spain's getting there and others) they will

become easy picking for the muslims in that region, as they are in the Asian Pacific. We don't

appear to be doing much better here, either.

Our leadership is asleep at the wheel, more worried about patting down little girls and old ladies

at the airport. We have our priorities backwards. And they still want our guns!

[JayC]

It's not that he acts like a nut... Ron Paul can come across a little nutty from time to time and I love him... This guy gives me a Hitler/Stalin vibe... big difference... I could be totally wrong... but something is just off when you listen to his speeches.

[leroy]

Food for thought.

I think Wilders, Le Pen, and others in europe (...the german far-right party...) are espousing a philosophy that i think that we americans (...and the allies...) took away from them at the end of ww2. That philosophy is a "nationalist" philosophy. We (...american bureaucrats and the democrat party...) decided that "nationalism" started ww2, and chose to erase that nationalism (...we replaced French and German nationalism with a soft socialist government after ww2 because we rebuilt both places. The stupid british embraced socialism on their own, and threw out their greatest leader; Churchill. Churchill railed against socialism and was villified for it...) in the rebuilding of europe after the war.

All that being said; nationalism aint necessary a bad thing, if the principles underpenning it are richeous and fair. By contrast; we did not destroy the Japanese nationalist identity in Japan and look what has happened there. Japan is a prosperous, relatively free, economically strong nation.

My version of the "nationalist philosophy" is that folks are proud of being who they identify themselves to be as as a country, they govern themselves fairly and honestly, they give everyone (...including immigrants...) a fair shake, are fiscally responsible, are industrious, and want immigrants to assimilate into the culture; not build a separate competing culture within the host culture with the goals of destroying the host culture. I think this is exactly what Wilders, Le Pen and others are saying. It's a variation on the old "If ya come to the USA speak english" thing. In my mind there is nothing wrong with this. Those who oppose this philosophy miss no opportunity to paint this philosophy as "discriminatory", "elitist", "fascist", and "exclusivist" -- all very "dark and evil" descriptors.

Remember what Angela Merkle said several months ago in Germany: "....the mult-cultural experiment has failed in Germany....". I think these are very interesting words, indeed. We here in the good ole usa have been blugeoned to death with this "lets all get along and embrace multi-culturism" baloney so much that we have been conditioned to be suspicious of anyone who thinks that american culture and goals (...or those of any other nation, or people group...) are greater (...or more noble....) than any other culture's values. We are being blugeoned by those in government, the media, and in academia who have an inordinately large soapbox to proclaim this tripe from. In my mind, the battle that you see shaping up in europe is the exact battle you are seeing here in the usa with the Tea Party and the entrenched politicos (...both demorat and republicans...) in government.

The principal difference between what is going on in europe and the usa is that europe has a real problem with militant minorities (...read that islamic...); we do not (...except in Detroit...). Germany is groaning under the weight of the Turkish minorities who wont work in a society that generally does hold work in high regard. The north african immigrants into France (...again, read that islamic...) are busy burning France down from time to time, and threatening the locals. I think what you see in the european push-back to this influx is the Geert Wilders, Marie Le Pen, German Far Right thing.

Do i think it can go bad? ....You bet!.... Anything, no matter how richeous and full of truth in its beginnings, can go bad.

Remember this: In the ninteenth century, we americans espoused the "Manifest Destiny" doctrine. We killed the indains that we had treaties with that made them a "separate nation" under the guise of "Manifest Destiny". This debacle and the civil war were (...in my mind, at least...) the two single most heinous things that the government of the good ole usa ever perpetrated.

We are, indeed, living in interesting (...and dangerous...) times.

leroy

[Guest 6.8 AR]

I think you are right on target with your

assessment, Leroy. And I agree with you

about Civil War and American Indians.

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