locked cocked and ready to rock

[molonlabetn]

Ready to go bang! .38 J- frame, 1911, Glock 22 (my now daily carry gun). I think a gun is as safe as its user, but then I think skydiving is perfectly safe too.

Skydiving is as safe as the person who packed your chute...

[strickj]

I don't have a problem with them not having a safety. I think that is a very good protocol for people in professional law enforcement.

My problem is with Glock groupies who think they have the best weapon just because "the cops" use it. From what I've seen, that is the basic reason people buy Glocks. There is a very good reason it is a good weapon for the cops. Unfortunately there is a very good reason why it is a very bad weapon for "the public" and that public is unable to comprehend that.

I strongly suspect that most Glock owners buy them for status reasons rather than rational reasons, since there are virtually no rational reasons for them to own them.

Glock is just a really dumb choice for most people to use for self-defense.

There are other poor choices, but Glock tops the list of essentially decent guns on the list. The others are names like Lorcin, Ravin, etc.

Why is everyone jumping on mars?he said "most"!he did not point out any single person on here,and also said he owns a couple glocks.

I agree with what he has said about glock groupies,but I doubt any dumb glock owners post on tgo.the reason I agree with what he has said is because you can not open the papper without seeing an add for a glock with 2 "clips" which means these idiots bought a glock because the cops do.

Back on topic,I carry my xd9 with mag toped off with one in the pipe,no safety.

[Ricochet]

I don't think anyone is jumping on to anyone, or at least I'm not, I am stating my opinion the same as everyone else. I bought my Glock because I wanted a 9 mm and looked at the Springfield Armory then compared them and the loaded Glock weighs the same as the SA with empty magazine, that had a bearing on what I decided on.

What it all boils down to is that there are different people that love different things, everyone isn't going to agree on the same thing EVER, that is what diversity is all about and it makes the world go round.

[Marswolf]

Why is everyone jumping on mars?he said "most"!he did not point out any single person on here,and also said he owns a couple gocks.

Have owned a couple of Glocks. Don't have them no more.I was smart enough to trade them.

I don't mind being jumped on. When you have a reasonable and cognitive position, you expect to be attacked by the weak-of-mind.

I do appreciate your support though.

I occasionally teach local SWAT teams in the noble art of house clearing, plus some interesting other stuff that we can't talk about.

Of course you have to have weapon mounted lights and such. But I try to show why that is a really bad idea for many scenarios.

It is not uncommon to see the guy who he thinks is the alpha zit-face try the "my testosterone is better than your testosterone" approach in discussion. After the "old guy" sits him on his ass, gasping for breath once, most of the other guys decide to listen.

Attacks don't bother me. But if someone points out that I'm wrong, I always admit it.

[Guest dotsun]

Oh great, now I'm weak of mind.

[Guest dotsun]

If I were to buy a Glock I would carry with one in the chamber because thats how Dotson rolls and he is my idol!

Welcome to the Dotsun fan club, you'll get your secret decoder ring in the mail in a few days.

[Guest someguy12341]

Sig P220c, chambered, decocked - first pull DA.

Canynracer, the other issue with regards to a Glock that (I think) has gone unmentioned is the internal hammer/striker, not just the differences in safeties... With an internal hammer gun like that, if it's chambered, it's cocked. Not sure of the weights on Glock triggers, but it's lighter than a typical DA action. Neither good nor bad on it's own; but leaves little margin for error with regards to trigger discipline.

Besides, we all know that the BEST gun in the world is a full-auto Kel-Tec .380 with a 10-inch suppressor, right? :rolleyes:

*This thread is proving my first signature line remains true...*

[dariks]

S&W M&P9mm -- loaded chamber, no manual safety

Bersa Thunder .45 UC -- loaded chamber, de-cocked, safety on

[Im Neero]

I carry cocked and locked, but I wanted to chime in on the "a gun without one in the chamber is a paperweight."

No it's not, it's a gun. It adds time to the draw, but if you train yourself, not much. Does that method of carry present very real disadvantages in certain scenarios? Sure, but they are far from the disadvantages incurred by not having a gun at all.

[Marswolf]

I carry cocked and locked, but I wanted to chime in on the "a gun without one in the chamber is a paperweight."

No it's not, it's a gun. It adds time to the draw, but if you train yourself, not much.

Probably enough to insure you get shot first....

[deerslayer]

I carry a Glock with one in the chamber in a rugged, leather thumb-break holster. I have no idea how one can accidently shoot himself more easily with a Glock than he can with a Kahr, XD, or M&P. I don't give a rodent's rump what the cops use--as a matter of fact, most of the local cops don't even use Glocks. After using and owning A LOT of different guns, I eventually chose a Glock because it is the best option that I have found for my personal needs, which are mainly concealed carry and competitive shooting. For me, nothing else can fulfill both roles more safely or efficiently. YMMV.

[Im Neero]

Probably enough to insure you get shot first....

Probably, which is why I don't carry that way.

I still think it's better than no gun at all.

[towerclimber37]

Probably enough to insure you get shot first....

experience is a wonderful teacher for those who have hard heads.

you're right Neero..its NOT a paperweight.. you can modify that to say its an EXPENSIVE paperweight.

you're correct, it may be better than no gun at all...what matters is keeping a cool head when the trouble comes your way, shooting your target in the manner that you've trained yourself to, and the rest is luck. Still, all that being said, carrying a round in the chamber removes one of those "oh crap" factors.

you have to deploy your pistol..by this time, you're wayyyy past the point where you're going to frighten them.

for those of us who carry a weapon in the loaded,locked/safe position, we have only 3 moves to make... draw/aim unsafe the weapon and squeeeze the trigger.

for folks that practice a combination of pointshooting as well as aimed shooting that means as soon as that pistol is clear of the leather, its going to go off. 1 second is a lifetime in this situation and sometimes means the difference between life or death...yours to be specific.

I'm not condemning you for not carrying in that manner..I just wanted to point out the difference/benefit of carrying your weapon as if you'd need it when you pull it.

Edited February 23, 2008 by towerclimber37

[jughead]

always one in the chamber what ever i carry. a little side note had 2 different tn state troopers read me the riot act over cocked and locked. one said he taught handgun classes. figure that one out. said one always had time to chamber a round. sure wish i had gotten his name it would be posted.

[Marswolf]

what matters is keeping a cool head when the trouble comes your way.

That comes from situational awareness and having gone through in your mind exactly what you will do if that guy coming toward you does something with a gun, knife, fist - whatever.

The problem is when things start happening, it is pretty much impossible to keep a cool head. Even with a world of experience and training, odd things happen to you when you come under attack.

That's why I assume that I'm going to do dumb things when that happens. I want my handgun always ready to fire with just a trigger pull. That means a gun that doesn't have to be racked to get a round into the chamber. It means no manual safety on that I have to remove. Also for general carry, no thumb break or other retention device on the holster. Nothing to retard just drawing and firing as quickly as possible.

[threeshot]

Marswolf,

You are just what the anti-gun group’s need for their campaign. A gun advocate that says no civilian should own a Glock. Glocks are just for professionals like forty.

Seriously, for all the Glock haters on TGO, I do not see any posts of Glock owners bashing other gun makers. Maybe I am not reading the posts of Glock owners bad mouthing other gun manufactures that causes this resentment from the moderators on TGO.

But this Glock bashing is getting old. Do the Glock owners a favor and click the next thread button instead.

[threeshot]

For those people who are not aware of Forty, Lee Paige was an DEA agent providing a gun safety class at a school.

This is a Glock 40. Fifty Cent, Too Short, all of them talk about a Glock 40, OK? I'm the only one in this room professional enough that I know of to carry this Glock 40.

Watch the video:

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Paige did what any highly trained in handgun safety DEA special agent would do when held up to public ridicule: He sued the government.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html

The complaint filed: "As a result of the disclosure... by the DEA, Mr. Paige became and is the target of jokes, derision, ridicule, and disparaging comments. Because he became highly recognizable as a result of the disclosure of the videotape, Mr. Paige has been unable to act as an undercover agent and he is no longer permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations."

How many of the Cooper's four gun safety runs were broken?

1) All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.

2) Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)

3) Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.

4) Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

Edited February 23, 2008 by threeshot

[Im Neero]

I'm not condemning you for not carrying in that manner..I just wanted to point out the difference/benefit of carrying your weapon as if you'd need it when you pull it.

I don't carry that way.

[Mike.357]

chambered is the only way to go.

Glock bashing starts because Glock owners get too defensive over their weapon choice and then the dam bursts.

My Sigma is pretty much like a Glock but no one really bashes them. My revolvers either have five round capacity or are single action. I do not feel undergunned with them and of course they are chambered multiple times!

How about BP for self defense?

[Guest canynracer]

always one in the chamber what ever i carry. a little side note had 2 different tn state troopers read me the riot act over cocked and locked. one said he taught handgun classes. figure that one out. said one always had time to chamber a round. sure wish i had gotten his name it would be posted.

You should have asked him to drop the mag and pull the slide back on his weapon, I guarantee his was chambered

[Fallguy]

always one in the chamber what ever i carry. a little side note had 2 different tn state troopers read me the riot act over cocked and locked. one said he taught handgun classes. figure that one out. said one always had time to chamber a round. sure wish i had gotten his name it would be posted.

Bet you dollars to doughnuts (LOL..doughnuts, cop...but anyway) that he had a round in the chamber of his duty weapon. Should have asked him. But then I'm sure he would have told you how it was ok for him, but not you.

[Marswolf]

But this Glock bashing is getting old.

And I'm getting tired of hearing that legitimate criticism of Glock's design is "bashing."

And I do point out problems with other handguns too. I also give Glock credit for being a reliable gun and proper for some applications.

I let most Glock comments pass except when someone jumps in and explains to everyone just how wonderful Glocks obviously are, to the apparent exclusion of any other trash guns like SIGs, H&Ks, Berettas, etc.

I've never said the public shouldn't be allowed to buy a Glock. I have said there are better choices for public carry and I've explained why.

[Guest DrBoomBoom]

Mostly I carry a revolver. With the 1911A1 and CZ 75B it's condition one. My other autoloaders have either a decocker, or a tip up design (all cocked and unlocked for DA). I practice a grip with my right thumb resting on the safety in case Murphy decides the day I have a brain fart and lock the darn thing is the day I need to use it.

[towerclimber37]

And I'm getting tired of hearing that legitimate criticism of Glock's design is "bashing."

And I do point out problems with other handguns too. I also give Glock credit for being a reliable gun and proper for some applications.

I let most Glock comments pass except when someone jumps in and explains to everyone just how wonderful Glocks obviously are, to the apparent exclusion of any other trash guns like SIGs, H&Ks, Berettas, etc.

I've never said the public shouldn't be allowed to buy a Glock. I have said there are better choices for public carry and I've explained why.

You do better than I do mars... you point out the faults of other pistols..I just point to JMB's works and say how many folks have unintentionally shot themselves with these pistols? how many have done it with a glock?

then they get all ...

and 3shot..don't get him started on thunderwear!!!

[deerslayer]

You do better than I do mars... you point out the faults of other pistols..I just point to JMB's works and say how many folks have unintentionally shot themselves with these pistols? how many have done it with a glock?

then they get all ...

and 3shot..don't get him started on thunderwear!!!

Unlike some, I don't preach what everyone else should or should not use, and I don't arrogantly claim that I'll admit being wrong if somebody finally does prove me wrong. Glocks are no different from many other designs, but they are more numerous. They work quite well for me, but I don't tell people that is what they should go get. For the record, I've never shot myself with a 1911 or a Glock, and I don't even have the commando/ninja training that some do.