Magsafe ammunition, anyone shoot it? Opinions?

[andersmg]

I have a friend who thinks he wants to carry these in his 45acp for self defense, I told him I have no experience with them but that I would try and get some info as to stopping power, penetration, etc.

So, if any of you know much about these rounds please enlighten me...thanks

[Marswolf]

I don't have a very high opinion of it. It's over-hyped and over-priced. It has some serious penetration issues.

Also some of it is loaded beyond SAAMI specifications, I guess to compensate for its poor design. The 380 stuff now comes with a sticker telling you to not use it in a P3AT. I noticed that at the gun show this past weekend. The over-pressured round has caused kabooms in that weapon from blowouts in the ramp area. That's the same place 40 Glocks have a problem.

See http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=5&f=38&t=27717 for more info.

Also, see MagSafe Ammunition Demonstrates Inadequate Terminal Performance for General-Purpose Personal Defense Use

I'd go with something else.

Edited February 21, 2008 by Marswolf

[strickj]

What Mars said.I have seen bad reviews of it,and think there are much better options for a much better price.

[musicman]

I still haven't seen any evidence that a tarted up superlight, superfast, fragmenting, yadda-yadda-yadda round has any terminal perfomance advantage over a standard well-designed HP bullet moving at a normal-for-caliber speed. Winchester White Box HPs have performed well in many tests, and are usually just a buck or two over their FMJ counterparts. Besides being good performers, that allows you to practice with what you carry. That's especially important in semi-autos where your want to run a couple hundred rounds through the gun to ensure reliability. That'll cost what, $60 with WWB? $300 with the fancy pants stuff?

Most of my carry ammo is Remington Express stuff due to low price and availability, unless for some reason I feel like carrying home-rolled that day. (No, I don't want to get in a legality discussion here)

[Marswolf]

I still haven't seen any evidence that a tarted up superlight, superfast, fragmenting, yadda-yadda-yadda round has any terminal perfomance advantage over a standard well-designed HP bullet moving at a normal-for-caliber speed.

YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!

Just read the Extreme Shock website http://www.extremeshockusa.com/.

It's The World's Most Advanced Ammunition!!!!!!! Just ask them!!!!!

Hell, if you shoot someone in the chest with their FANGFACE 380, it will make their head explode.

[Branket]

YOU MUST BE KIDDING!!!!!

Just read the Extreme Shock website http://www.extremeshockusa.com/.

It's The World's Most Advanced Ammunition!!!!!!! Just ask them!!!!!

Hell, if you shoot someone in the chest with their FANGFACE 380, it will make their head explode.

OK, so I thought you made up the fangface bit...then I went to the site. Now I'm just embarrassed for them.

[Guest Shooting Coach]

Fact is, prefragmented bullets typically do not give sufficient penetration. The best way to get killed in a gunfight is to use ammunition that does not give suffiicient penetration.

Most ammo that gives sufficient penetration in warm weather on a lightly dressed offender may give excessive penetration with little expansion on a heavily clothed offender in cold weather.

Most ammo performing adequately on a heavily dressed offender will give insufficient penetration on a lightly dressed offender.

Use a traditional hollowpoint design from a reputable ammo company. Remington's Golden Sabre is at the top of the defensive ammo pyramid. Speer's Gold Dot, Winchester's Supreme, and Federal's Personal defense also work well.

[andersmg]

Thanks folks for you valued opinions. After I posted this I read some reviews on line about the magsafe and I will definitely be trying to talk my friend into carrying something else.