Proposed Gun Laws Now Being Considered in TN

[saintsfanbrian]

But again, who sets the standard. Once it's in place what is to prevent them from changing it?

Slippery slope. I wear a seatbelt because I am responsible for my own life. The state made a law that says you MUST wear one. Crossing the line in my opinion.

Again, should you take the time to sit with the dealer and figure out the workings of the firearm? Sure maybe that is all you really want them to do anyway. In this case the dealer becomes the judge and jury as to who gets to own a firearm.

What if they don't like men/women/blacks/whites/gays/straights?

I understand why the state has a guideline before granting a permit to someone. I don't agree with them having the ability to grant the permit in the first place. It is a CREATOR given right (I won't use the G word so as to not offend anyone.)

Yes, everyone that carries has a responsibility. So do people that drive and how many of them do you see talking on their phone, smacking the kids or eating lunch?

[Guest cap4004]

Luke makes a good point. There are some pretty clueless people out there. Some demonstration of competency is not a bad thing. On the other hand, I agree with Mike and Brian - if there is a test then someone has authority to judge whether I can carry a gun. Then the anti-gunners can use the test as a tool to gradually restrict gun ownership.

I guess I agree with Mike and Brian on this one. I don't like the thought of being the victim of some moron's negligence, but somehow that seems better than being the victim of some BG's assualt. At least the moron will probably stop after one victim - the BG may not.

[Guest C4Dave]

I have a comment about employers barring employees from having guns in their car while on company property. Since Tennessee is a right to work state, the employer can fire you for any reason, or no reason. So having a law that makes is illegal to bar guns in cars is useless. If an employer doesn't want employees to have guns in their car, they can just fire them if caught.

[saintsfanbrian]

This is the case with most places. If a restaurant/bar owner doesn't want guns in their place - properly post the sign.

The problem is that our government feels the need to be in EVERY aspect of our lives when they really only should be in a few.

Fire them all and lets start over.

[Mike.357]

employers have a right to decide what can and can't be on their property, just the same as I can decide whether or not you can carry a gun on my property. I respect and agree with that. If you feel you need to work for someone who will allow you to carry at work or on their property then find work at a place like that. I did.

if a law is enacted to allow your car to be an extension of your home, which is how I believe what you are talking about would work. In this case the interior or trunk of your car is not considered to be on company property, but an extension of you home. There are states that allow this I think. But for example setting your gun on the roof would be on their property. Does that make sense?

[Guest jackdog]

the 2nd amendment gives me the right to keep and bare arms period. Anything else should not apply. As to some of the people at ranges, yes some are scary as H#&l, but to they have a permit? do they Carry? I've asked them so I have no idea.

[Cruel Hand Luke]

the 2nd amendment gives me the right to keep and bare arms period. Anything else should not apply. As to some of the people at ranges, yes some are scary as H#&l, but to they have a permit? do they Carry? I've asked them so I have no idea.

My point was that those same "scary as hell" people are the exact pool from which we will be getting people carrying IF there were no safety class to at least point them in the right direction and let them know that they don't point guns at people they are not about to shoot,teach them how to hit what they are shooting at, and that they cannot shoot people for stealing hub caps or for threatening to punch them.....

The well regulated part of "well regulated militia " actually meant "trained and equipped" in the time it was written. It did not mean "limited to certain items". Just as the militia had to...(Oh No ! He's gonna say it...) TRAIN back then on a regular basis, I do not see that there is any constitutional issue with compelling people who wish to go about armed IN PUBLIC to get at least a few hours of basic safety, legal, and marksmanship training ONCE in their freakin' lifetime. .

If they don't choose to carry in public then there should be no training requirement, but if they do choose to accept the right to go about armed then they should accept the responsibility to be educated. Of course we know most people now do not accept ANY personal responsibility for anything......So we either compel them to get educated or you have those "scary as hell " people running around armed in public because there was nothing making them get educated.

[Guest jcoyle6]

spoke with Stacey Campfield, the House sponsor. He gives the bill a

30-40% chance of passing at best. He also said he would pass the bill

without the public schools portion if that would make a difference (public k-12 schools are not state property). The

most effective means to gather support, according to Mr. Campfield, is

through letters to the editor at all of the major papers

Hey y'all I am working with some people at MTSU on this, if we can get some more support out on our end this may see the light of day.

If we can get this win, hopefully it will only be a matter of time before pro2A legislation makes it through.

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[edellson]

One of the reasons a person can carry in Tennessee is that law enforcement officials know they can not cover the population of our cities with the force they have. If a place of business will not provide armed protection for you and will not let you carry on their premises I think we should make the statement to them we will no longer patronize their business.

[jughead]

One of the reasons a person can carry in Tennessee is that law enforcement officials know they can not cover the population of our cities with the force they have. If a place of business will not provide armed protection for you and will not let you carry on their premises I think we should make the statement to them we will no longer patronize their business.

that is the reason the restaurants are fighting the alcohol bill so hard. they know if the sign is on the door most of us wont go.

[Guest General_Mayhem]

What's the latest on SB 2928 and HB 3036, the parking lot bills? My employer in Memphis until this month had no problem with guns in cars in the parking lots, but has abruptly banned them. Memphis is not a good place to find yourself disarmed, or unemployed. Any chance that this will go through this year?

[Guest General_Mayhem]

bump

[dralarms]

All of our pro gun bills were crapped on by Darth Nafei.

[K191145]

I agree that it comes with responsibility. But it is not my place or anyone elses to decide what that is.

When carry permits were first discussed was there not talk of blood in the streets? Did it happen? There are laws in place that would make people accountable for their actions.

Sometimes the cost of freedom is not free. Just because people have guns does not mean they will shoot. Some will I am sure, but there are laws to deal with them.

Since shall issue became law in Tennessee, and around 200,000 citizens have TN permits, the vast majority of permit holders have proven they are indeed responsible enough to carry a handgun. If ther wern't the anti-gun media would definatly let us know. To punish an entire group of people for the bad behavior or irresponsible actions of a few issocialist and elitism.

You are correct on all points Mike, it's not up to me or anyone else to decide who is and who isn't responsible.

[Guest 270win]

I think the permit process is pretty good compared to other states. I had my initial concealed handgun license in Arkansas, and that was a pain to get and very expensive. Usual class costs are $100 and then fees to the state police are around $150. The turnaround with AR State Police for me was 2 months (four years ago) but folks have been telling me they are taking the max of 4 months. You have to do fingerprint cards...no electronic scanning. Every four years you must requalify and take a class which means more money to an instructor on top of the fees to the state police. All eight-nine pages of paperwork must be notarized, which includes medical releases and other nonsense.

I paid fifty bucks here (due to similar training requirements and background check) and filled out a one page form at the highway patrol office when i changed out my DL. I only had to wait a month.

Initial costs for new permits are 115 and classes at Range USA are pretty cheap 65/75 VS the 100 i paid. 50 dollars to renew a four year permit without taking a refresher class and requal is a good deal.

[Guest GLOCKGUY]

thanks for the link